Green means "Don't Edit".
As Dimitrion pointed out, I have taken into account reaching the hit cap, from gear, talents, races and totems. It will even devalue proportionally when you're between 98 and 99% hit.

If you cheat, you may as well go use one of those loot rank websites.

Yeh, I found out that Green means don't edit But I worked out where the references were supposed to point so its all fixed now

Thanks for all the work put into this.

no i cant, there are no good stat count and comparison like in shamstats. At the other side as long as you just miss 5 points hitrating in "my" Theory this wasnt a big issue and no point to raise items with +hitrating that much.
Actually the 3 Files from this year i havent edited.

Hi Binkenstein,

I have a question about your evaluation for the item "Quagmirran's Eye".
In all your shamstats-versions there is a value of 32 for haste. the calculation is 32=(320*6)/60
How do you get the "60"?
I think it is the time the trinket is proccing again. But all my test and also every calculation for this trinket shows me, it proccs far often as only one time per minute.
It depends on your own haste-value. I get for this haste-equivalent a value of about 53, because it proccs after about at an average of 35 seconds (with no haste after 36 seconds)

I think "Quagmirran's Eye" is the most undervalued Trinket for Elementalshamans.


My second question is about the item "Sextant of Unstable Currents"
It ist the same question as above. =(190*15)/60)
My tests and calculation shows me a estimated time for proccing for the trinket in any circumstance of more than 60 seconds (about 65 seconds depending on haste and crit)

And the last question is: Is there any possibility to modify the weighting factor for crit?
If I only wish to evaluate my equipment on the dps I need another factor.
It seems, that you evaluate one point of crit more, than one point of damage. ("Sextant of Unstable Currents" in comparison with "Hex Shrunken Head")

My own calculations shows me, that the "Sextant of Unstable Currents" is the far most overestimated trinket for Eles.


I like your spreadsheet, because it ist so clearly arranged. But I wish there would be more possibilities for own assessments.

PS: sry, for my english. it ist not my native language.

Hi Binkenstein, Daidalos and other Cracks

im pretty glad on finding this Forums and you have my biggest respect for doing this exceptional job (for free und for fun).

I would like to add one point to Binkenstein's shamstats.


The Enchant "Superior Healing" for Bracers also gives 10 Spelldamage which isn't counted in the sheet. Due to the required Mats for this Enchant in Comparison to Spellpower i would count it in. Guess it's value is about 6 DEP.


Comment: Unfortunately though we're farming Illidan now for months i hadn't much luck with drops and RL so i could only go for healer items at the first place. So for Ele i only have Heroic Badges Gloves and i thought 5 Spelldam more isn't worth the Mats on this item.

Proc estimates were taken from WoWhead item pages, if they've changed, I'll update them. Generally it's a 45 second cooldown, plus 15 seconds to under-estimate the bonus.
So lets get this straight. You want to see the DPS use of a +Heal enchant, because you're too cheap to get +Damage?
While it is a valid point on the enchants, and I should fix it, you should seriously re-consider what you're doing. If an extra 5 damage is too expensive, why enchant at all? Why use gems? And then you're at the position where no one will take you for serious DPS because you lack enchants (or lack the right ones) or gems.

I just don't like Quag's Eye or the Nexus-Horn/Sextant comboes for the simple reason that you never know when they are going to proc. I like that with Hex Shrunken Head that I can guarantee it will always be up during heroism or drums, which synergizes the effects of the two abilities. The combo are just too variable. Some days you'll win the RNG, somedays you'll lose it. Add in that overall Sextant and Shiffar focus too much on crit which I feel is a weaker stat for us.

But the cooldown for the trinkets are different, because they have all a different time the buff beeing effective.

Quagmirran's Eye have a 6 sec buff and so the Cooldown is 18 seconds.
Sextant of Unstable Currents have a 15 sec buff and so the Cooldown is 45 seconds.

I have search wowhead for an information about the estimated time it will procs again. But I have only found a comment from a mage for Quagmirran's Eye. He wrote with scorch (1,5 Seconds Casttime) it will procs after about 33 seconds.

For Sextant of Unstable Currents I found no information. Can you post a specific site, where I can find the information.
thx

Using the logic of Cooldown = Duration * 3, the 18 second cooldown would be correct.
However, there isn't any evidence to support that.
While there is a post that mentions 33 seconds, it goes on to say that assuming a 45 second cooldown would still show the results obtained as 4 procs from 151 scorches was not a large enough data set. If you wish to perform testing on this, be my guest. Until there is more information regarding the cooldown, I will leave it as 60 (45 seconds CD + 15 seconds to proc) as I have done with other 45 second CD trinkets. It is also worth noting that 320 haste rating is probably a higher itemisation value than damage trinket procs, which explains why the duration is lower. Having a higher proc rate would negate that, which is another reason why I doubt there is a shorter cooldown. More information can be found here

That specific site where I found the information is WoWHead. WoWHead. Should I say it again so you can figure out which site I used, or is it too hard? (FYI, I said this in my previous post, after the first quote).

To be honest. I wrote that post to honor your work and to add a little comment and not to get flamed for a decision i made for whatever reason. Think what you want. It was my decision and i have to live with the consequences in our raid (which are not negative). This does not change the facts even if you have another perception on things.

sry, if I annoy you. I figure out which site you mean. But I ask for the specific site, because there is no information on WoWHead for your "(45 seconds CD + 15 seconds to proc)" (or I don´t find it)
It is ok, when you think it is the better value for your spreadsheet. But all my test show a higher value for the Sextant an a lower value for the Eye.
I thought to question specific values an evaluations is the only way to make your spreadsheet better.
sry again for my question.

Can a spell haste/mana regen shaman work?

I am thinking about collecting gear to increase my haste and mana regen.

I don't even know if it would work.

Thoughts?

A haste setup can definitely work. Well as long as the haste gear is the good stuff. Illidan staff, BT rings, ZA/Illidan Cloak, ZA neck, Akama belt, Crafted BT cloth bracers, Skycall Totem, etc. At lower gear levels some of the badge haste gear is quite good too. Chest, shoulders, some of the cloth and leather options too. But why would one need to have a mp5 setup? The advantage of such a setup is that one could completely remove CL from your casting rotation. With T5/6 gear plus the new water shield, I see no way that a shaman could ever go oom under any decent raid conditions spamming just LB.

So I just have to wait a little longer. =)

We are about to clear SSC and TK. I will just start collecting the gear and wait I guess. =)

Thanks for the info.

Well there are options now. You just need to invest very heavily in badges and do ZA.

These are the gear choices I'd go with.

[Hauberk of the Furious Elements]
[Pauldrons of the Furious Elements]
[Shadowcaster's Drape]
[Loop of Cursed Bones]
[Runed Spell-cuffs]
[Grasp of the Moonkin]

And stuff like that. Using a mix of that plus some T4 gear, PVP gear and other ten man loot would give you a strong setup. And one that shouldn't be too dependant on a shadow priest.

Sextant of Unstable Currents - Items - World of Warcraft <-- comments on the Sextant.
Quagmirran's Eye - Items - World of Warcraft <-- comments on Quag's Eye.
Just in case you missed it, I did some math around how much haste you need, at a given +dmg value, to drop CL from your rotation. Suffice to say, the gear levels are nearly impossible.

Also, for those that don't regularly check my filefront page, uploaded a new copy of ShamStats yesterday. Added in that gem selection option for equipped items that was requested, still not completely happy with how the DEP values add up for those (still refers to the ideal gems + socket bonus).

I should put in a red line for BL too (~480 haste rating)

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Another night in BT. Ive recently started to compare different CD rotations and have found it best for my own dps to start the fight with drums+Hex trink, then soon as drums ends I pop Bloodlust. During Bloodlust the cast time of CL + latency is far under Global, so I only spam Lbolts during this haste period. When Bloodlust ends I redrop totems (or at a better time if the encounter provides) and pop drums+Hex trink again as soon as possible. In the average 5min fight this seems to be the best rotation even though I would get more out of the Hex trinket during Blust. I can't do this unless I only use the Hex once, or stack Blust with Drums. However when Stacking Blust and Drums even my Lbolt + Latency is under global and I can tell I am not chain casting perfectly. Also putting all my eggs in one basket like this makes me rage when I get CCd, FAd, Parasited, etc. The Fire mages in my group much prefer me to save my Lust for ~20% but while this assuredly is the best increase for their DPS, I find that 80% of the time atleast one of them is dead by this point in the fight, and Bloodlust on 4 people is always worse than on all 5, regardless of their bonus DMG in the 20% range.

Note to pat myself on the back: in the WWS, on the actual Illidan kill I DCd 4 times, which is why my DPS time is so low. Normally I have one of the highest DPS times and if i hadn't DCd I'm sure this kill would have beaten my record.

Thanks for the update, Bink - the gem functionality is really awesome.

One thing I noted with your new spreadsheet: the value of haste seems to have decreased once again compared to the release from the 25th. I'm not talking about the DEP value, but the effects haste has on DPS. One good example of this would be the MH random drop chest vs. the badges one - they were nearly identical in your previous release, now the MH one is far superior.
Do you mind explaining why? I've never actually looked into the formulas you're using so I couldn't reproduce it myself.


Edit: one more thing that confuses me is that the actual DEP value of haste is very high, though its returns in terms of DPS seems rather bad according to the results produced by your sheet... please enlighten me on that one, as well if you can

Check the "lag value", as the default one is probably lower than it was previously. I've also got some better gear, and have tweaked the haste calculation.
It also depends on the options selection on the front page. I would recommend making sure that anything in yellow is set to what you used previously.

Ops.

Iku has correctly pointed out that I overwrote the current gear haste reference for DEP calculation with a static value.

New version up (just a rar this time, think I'll do that in future to make downloading easier).

I am not sure, if made a mistake, but now a few items gets gem slots, but they dont have any gem slots. In fact if you switch an item on your mainpage and the item before had a gemslot, the new item gets also the same gemlsots.

EDIT: I find the "none" in the gems list. so you can handle it easy.