The One Stop Elemental Shop - Page 71

Nizari · 05/01/08, 5:38 AM

Originally Posted by Daler

Seriously? It's been done to death, and rehashed yet again on page 65-ish.

Even though the wiki's up and running, the search function's still your friend

Short answer: TLC is still a very good trinket.

Yeah but there was about 50 different "you forgot about this", or "it's incorrect because X actually = Y" replies I just switched off.

I still use vashjs Prism of Inner Calm on some bosses (bloodboil mainly). Its like we have high burst threat, but our threat SCALES badly... i.e. on a long fight like Brut, I will never be threat capped, but on fights like ROS and BloodBoil I often have to stop casting for a sec or two.

On a side note... has ANYONE managed to get the JC BoP neck to drop? No one on our server has...

Kaideq · 05/01/08, 8:57 AM

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/may...tjudgement.jpg

227 Haste rating on a weapon 0 spell dmg , that would provide interesting stats on a lot of people

Croaker · 05/01/08, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kaideq

http://www.worldofraids.com/2008/may...tjudgement.jpg

227 Haste rating on a weapon 0 spell dmg , that would provide interesting stats on a lot of people

It has to be a typo, it's way too much of a departure from the norm.

• Daler · 05/01/08, 2:24 PM

Originally Posted by Croaker

It has to be a typo, it's way too much of a departure from the norm.

I disagree. The precedent is there. Look at some of the spell haste PvP options currently.

[Battlemaster's Alacrity]
[Vindicator's Band of Subjugation]

Croaker · 05/01/08, 6:10 PM

Originally Posted by Daler

I disagree. The precedent is there. Look at some of the spell haste PvP options currently.

[Battlemaster's Alacrity]
[Vindicator's Band of Subjugation]

30 spell haste is a *lot* different than 200+ spell haste on a single item.

Handyhoof · 05/01/08, 6:26 PM

That's a 14% dps increase on a single item if that's accurate. I guess time will tell. Let's worry about it when S4 goes live.

Roywyn · 05/01/08, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by Croaker

30 spell haste is a *lot* different than 200+ spell haste on a single item.

Bear in mind that the weapon has no damage/healing at all.
All previous non-melee traded their budget for dmg/heal/feralAP, this one now trades it for spell haste.

The other S4 weapons have 266 damage, and 500 healing.

It's an interesting experiment, being talked about at http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t25192-b...wift_judgment/

Kaideq · 05/01/08, 7:12 PM

It's not a typo, there are 2 of em, mace/dagger and it's the same Ilvl.
My fun gear set with 1sec lb casts just came that much closer

• Daler · 05/01/08, 7:27 PM

Originally Posted by Croaker

30 spell haste is a *lot* different than 200+ spell haste on a single item.

Well of course. But the precedent was simply all item budget being spent on stats and haste (the ring in particular is a good example--stam, int, resil, and haste), foregoing all spell damage. It just so happens that weapons generally have a lot more points to spend.

kasouti · 05/02/08, 8:03 PM

I had a quick question about gems and stormstrike.

Since the damage equivalence between quick lionseye and reckless pyrestone is fairly close. I'm wondering if even though stat point wise the lionseye wins it would be better to use the reckless pyres if no one else is eating stormstrikes in the raid. Since stormstrike is a damage % modifer and is up on a limited basis regardless of which gem is used you'd only be getting at most 2 every 10 seconds. So as far as I can tell there would be a larger gain from the stormstrikes using the pyrestones, and since the difference is so marginal between the gems to start with I was wondering which you all thought would work out better.

ZRaids · 05/03/08, 10:13 AM

Are most of you guys using the new wws alpha version? The current 2.4 beta really shafts us in terms of not adding fire totem damage.

I have the full badge set with 1 piece of BT gear and I'm hitting 1700-1900 DPS on Hyjal based on the alpha. wws This is backed up by what I am seeing on Recount and Damage Meters.

Therefore, I'm wondering if any of you T6 guys have seen your numbers with magma/fire nova totems worked into your cycles; if so, we should officially be seeing well over 2k DPS from elemental shamans when more guilds start using the newer (and more accurate) wws engine.

Moshne · 05/03/08, 11:42 AM

This appears to be a trash parse. Which, yes, if you are hitting multiple targets constantly, your damage will be higher. However, on a boss, working Fire Nova or Magma into a rotation would leave you either perpetually in melee range (problem for threat and survivability), or spending a high amount of time moving around.

Lastly, while its not flashy and easy to parse, bear in mind that ToW is "giving" you 3% of each member of your groups crit as your own with regards to DPS, and this assumes they aren't gearing around the hit from the totem. It is an interesting thought experiment, but as your gear gets better, the total damage you contribute with ToW goes up as well, and scales faster than your fire totems in terms of raw damage.

Äternitas · 05/04/08, 11:40 AM

SK Gaming killed M'uru last night an had two awesome drops
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...skmuruloot.jpg

I think the Shifting Naara Silver + Skull of Gul'dan should be the best high-dps combination available in the game at the moment

Nizari · 05/04/08, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by Äternitas

SK Gaming killed M'uru last night an had two awesome drops
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...skmuruloot.jpg

I think the Shifting Naara Silver + Skull of Gul'dan should be the best high-dps combination available in the game at the moment

Mmm and that ring is hot....

I'm thinking that and either BT haste ring or Scale of Sands exalted ring... When I'm feeling less lazy, might as well do some maths for it.

Äternitas · 05/04/08, 7:07 PM

If my calculation is right, you have to wear Loop of Forged Power, whenn you full sunwell geared otherwise we must waste sockets for spellhit to stay capped ... so i think Loop of Forged Power + Ring of Omnipotence would be my choise...

But wait and see, my guild starts sunwell in 2-3 weeks

- yes i know my english is bad -.-

Kaideq · 05/04/08, 7:25 PM

Originally Posted by Äternitas

SK Gaming killed M'uru last night an had two awesome drops
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...skmuruloot.jpg

I think the Shifting Naara Silver + Skull of Gul'dan should be the best high-dps combination available in the game at the moment

I'm currently at 322 passive haste and when I pop my skull I get a lesser dps increase than I do when I pop hex, according to Dr. Dmg.
Depending on what piece you're swapping out for the set bonus,I'd opt for Hex + the silver.

Good thing about the circle trinket is that you don't care who gets it

you just stand near them so you get the benefit as soon as it's fixed.
*Offtopic: That trinket will be oh so fun @ Archimonde*

On a different note, currently my dps is being limited by my mana, if I do not have the top of the line shadow priest in my group I run horribly oom. I know we got 2 good ones and 1 avarage one, but I'm seriously considering regemming at this point.
Today on Brut we had some people being even less smart than usual , so I got several attempts to go all out and on 2 of them I was completely void of mana on 20%.2100/2200 dps np(bm hunter in the group for weird reasons) but no mana ~ to keep mashing.
We don't even have LW drums in the group anymore , how do you guys keep up with the mana drainage in SWP gear? I couldn't keep up 4/1 with JOW/SP.

Mirranda · 05/04/08, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Kaideq

I'm currently at 322 passive haste and when I pop my skull I get a lesser dps increase than I do when I pop hex, according to Dr. Dmg.
Depending on what piece you're swapping out for the set bonus,I'd opt for Hex + the silver.

Good thing about the circle trinket is that you don't care who gets it

you just stand near them so you get the benefit as soon as it's fixed.
*Offtopic: That trinket will be oh so fun @ Archimonde*

On a different note, currently my dps is being limited by my mana, if I do not have the top of the line shadow priest in my group I run horribly oom. I know we got 2 good ones and 1 avarage one, but I'm seriously considering regemming at this point.
Today on Brut we had some people being even less smart than usual , so I got several attempts to go all out and on 2 of them I was completely void of mana on 20%.2100/2200 dps np(bm hunter in the group for weird reasons) but no mana ~ to keep mashing.
We don't even have LW drums in the group anymore , how do you guys keep up with the mana drainage in SWP gear? I couldn't keep up 4/1 with JOW/SP.

With that much passive haste, I'm guessing you've sacrificed quite a bit of crit. I notice myself actually using mana now that I've started gemming new gear for haste, but I haven't regemmed my old gear. I still sit at a baseline of 41% crit raid buffed (with totems down) while still maintaining 225 spell haste. As such I have clearcasting pretty much constantly, only falling off on occasions where I go on a dry streak.

Giving up crit means giving up mana efficiency, unless you're ridiculously over-stacked on crit like I was before getting some new gear.

Kaideq · 05/05/08, 8:34 AM

Hm I'm still at 40% crit raid buffed, my crit didn't drop that bad, just heard the SP yesterday did worse than I thought he did, so maybe a 1 off fluke.
I'll see next week before I emo regem

, but the SP/SP performance dependency is getting a bit meh.

Bjørn · 05/06/08, 11:30 AM

First of all sorry for my english which is so bad.
I'm from france and play sham ele, we are on Sunwell Plateau but due to some problems we didn't down any bosses yet. I was really wondering what is the sham ele scaling, i reached 2150dps lately, but time slips near like an arrow and rogues, firelocks and hunters do more and more dps. I've seen from my eyes amazing scores for those classes. WWS Scoreboard confirm this unfortunaly : WWS Scoreboard
500 to 1000 more dps for thoses classes there on Brutallus (the highest scores registered on wws).
If the gap in the endgame is so huge, why should I continue to play this spec even if I like it so much ?
Wrath totem means nothing if I can't reach even 100dps less than thoses classes.
Atm I'm always in the top 3, maybe because I do all my possible to dps the most.
I know I can't reach 2700dps and more, even with the best stuff.

From the beginning of BC to now, we didn't have any reason to be threatened but now I feel I won't be able to reach thoses classes anymore. What do you think about it ? This post is probably off-topic but anyway I don't see where i should post it.

Shaftoe · 05/06/08, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Bjørn

First of all sorry for my english which is so bad.
I'm from france and play sham ele, we are on Sunwell Plateau but due to some problems we didn't down any bosses yet. I was really wondering what is the sham ele scaling, i reached 2150dps lately, but time slips near like an arrow and rogues, firelocks and hunters do more and more dps. I've seen from my eyes amazing scores for those classes. WWS Scoreboard confirm this unfortunaly : WWS Scoreboard
500 to 1000 more dps for thoses classes there on Brutallus (the highest scores registered on wws).
If the gap in the endgame is so huge, why should I continue to play this spec even if I like it so much ?
Wrath totem means nothing if I can't reach even 100dps less than thoses classes.
Atm I'm always in the top 3, maybe because I do all my possible to dps the most.
I know I can't reach 2700dps and more, even with the best stuff.

From the beginning of BC to now, we didn't have any reason to be threatened but now I feel I won't be able to reach thoses classes anymore. What do you think about it ? This post is probably off-topic but anyway I don't see where i should post it.

Every guild is different, we rely on casters for much of our main DPS, and I am 1 of 2 Elemental Shamans we run 1 or 2 nights a week (I respec resto for the other nights). You need to remember that Bloodlust and totems are great "force multipliers" and bring alot to the table. Every raid we have a minimum of 4 shamans and sometimes up to 7 (rare).

Physcial DPS classes may be getting stacked with 2-3 Bloodlusts on Brutallus and more often then not the hunters/rogues all are leather workers so they may have constant drums up increasing their DPS by alot -whereas it is highly unlikely that casters will drop a profession and pick up Leather Working like I did. Rogues don't get pushbacks from Brutallus's Slash and hunters can time their shot roations to use an instant cast shot in order to avoid pushback on steady shot (if they were so inclined).

There are many factors to look at when considering DPS.

Bulger · 05/06/08, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bjørn

From the beginning of BC to now, we didn't have any reason to be threatened but now I feel I won't be able to reach thoses classes anymore. What do you think about it ? This post is probably off-topic but anyway I don't see where i should post it.

I feel by making the choice to roll Elemental Shaman was also saying yes I want to be a support class not a main dps nuke class. I made the switch from a mage which was my main and I can only imagine how pissed off the mage community would be if I was pulling higher dps numbers while in Nuke stance. Also take a closer look at the WWS reports that your looking at, How many drums did they have in the group/ How many heroisms/ buffs gained (gear) compaired to yours. I think you will see alot more gaps in your gear/group than those top number dmg dealers produce do.

Inverse24 · 05/07/08, 12:46 AM

Hi, first time poster, long time reader. I recently went elemental after healing thru SSC and TK. Been elemental for about a month now and have built up a nice elemental set. My guild's progressing thru sunwell at the moment, and I was looking to see what upgrades I should make to my gear/gems to boost my dps.

Binkenstein · 05/07/08, 1:54 AM

Originally Posted by Inverse24

Hi, first time poster, long time reader. I recently went elemental after healing thru SSC and TK. Been elemental for about a month now and have built up a nice elemental set. My guild's progressing thru sunwell at the moment, and I was looking to see what upgrades I should make to my gear/gems to boost my dps.

It's you! *points*
(background info: Inverse is on the same server as me, and we've had a discussion or two on gear via PM)
Need a new neck (Kael quest or the spellhaste one from ZA), cloak (Illidari Council or 1st ZA timed chest), and legs (badge one, slacker). New rings (BT Trash) and trinkets (Sextant, TLC, Skull, Hex, Crusade) wouldn't go amiss.

Bulger · 05/07/08, 3:15 AM

Originally Posted by Inverse24

Hi, first time poster, long time reader. I recently went elemental after healing thru SSC and TK. Been elemental for about a month now and have built up a nice elemental set. My guild's progressing thru sunwell at the moment, and I was looking to see what upgrades I should make to my gear/gems to boost my dps.

I think the easiest upgrade would be pants and work could be done on trinket/rings/neck. I know personally have had terrible luck in ZA and have not won any drops but in reality 1 lucky run would make me very happy

I would suggest try and fill in with ZA drops and/or try to replace those slots with Sunwell drops first over other gear.

Another thing you can try is gemming for haste over crit unless you dont have a spriest or have mana problems. I am up to 217 haste and have yet to have mana problems with the Spriest in my group with noticeable dps gain. I have had to toss on afew Pre-sunwell crit peices when the rare no Spriest in the group occurs, so keep that in mind when gemming.

Nazgül · 05/07/08, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Bulger

I feel by making the choice to roll Elemental Shaman was also saying yes I want to be a support class not a main dps nuke class. I made the switch from a mage which was my main and I can only imagine how pissed off the mage community would be if I was pulling higher dps numbers while in Nuke stance. Also take a closer look at the WWS reports that your looking at, How many drums did they have in the group/ How many heroisms/ buffs gained (gear) compaired to yours. I think you will see alot more gaps in your gear/group than those top number dmg dealers produce do.

I dont really agree here, when you spec elemental you loose a lot of your utility, a elemental shaman is a worthless healer in T6 instances, a elemental shaman is a mediocer melee dps, a elemental shaman have no cc. Basicly what a elemental shaman bring to a raid is DPS, so with gear on par it should be on par with mages and other classes.