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Pinta · 07/08/08, 4:36 PM

I spent a half hour on Dr. Boom one day trying to find out if Skycall Totem would proc from The Lightning Capacitor. My conclusion is that it does not.

Dhiva · 07/09/08, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by Pinta

I spent a half hour on Dr. Boom one day trying to find out if Skycall Totem would proc from The Lightning Capacitor. My conclusion is that it does not.

Someone could confirm this just to make sure ? I think this could be useful information noted in the "Think Tank" in the relic section talking about Skycall, this could make the uptime of skycall higher ?

Bayk · 07/10/08, 4:39 AM

I went out and tried it for about one to two hours just getting 2 charges and waiting for Elemental Mastery to come up and seeing if it would proc. I'd lay my life on the line standing by the conclusion that The Lightning Capacitor does not proc Skycall Totem.

And if it hasn't already been said somewhere, Skycall Totem procs when the spell hits, not when it is cast.

Wodi · 07/14/08, 4:19 PM

Originally Posted by everwatch

I personally use:
( Pawn: v1: "Ele": NatureSpellDamage=1, RedSocket=12, SpellCritRating=0.7566, MetaSocket=50, BlueSocket=6, YellowSocket=9.783, Intellect=0.22, SpellHasteRating=1.406, SpellDamage=1 )

I set Meta's to 50 as an arbitrary number. Never saw someone list a value for them. Would love to know it if someone does. Yellow/Blue are per epic gems of matching color as of 2.3. Change sockets per your personal choices. IE., all Runed Crimson Spinels would be 12 across the board for colored sockets.

Are these pawn values still upto date or is there updated values. I think this post was around 3-8-08.
I have not played in like 2 months and was getting mods and every thing updated.

Mirranda · 07/15/08, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by tufy

I'd like to go back to Skycall a bit. Trying to answer some guy on official forums, I actually had an idea:

Let's assume a CL-4LB rotation vs. LB spam rotation. In LB spam, Skycall tends to deal slightly more damage than Totem of Ancestral Guidance (TAG from here on). In CL-4LB, though, the bonus is less, because CL gains nothing from it. What happens, though, if we do this:

/cast Lightning Bolt
/equip Skycall Totem

and

/cast Chain Lightning
/equip TAG

As much as I'm aware, equip after cast shouldn't interrupt the casting already in progress, but the bonus should be applied to the spell as it's done before the cast finishes. Unless the macro delay applies here, we should be seeing the merge of "best of both worlds". If it works, it could actually be possible to maximize the potential uptime of Skycall, while retaining Ancestral Guidance on all other casts.

EDIT: test concluded, never mind. The swap limits recast after Chain Lightning, because its GCD is still stuck at 1.5 seconds, even at haste.

I'd like to point out too, I don't know that it's in yet, but it will be put in (saw it in a patch notes either 2.4.2 [current] or 2.4.3 [next patch]) that switching relics will cause your current spell cast to cancel.

draconis0101 · 07/15/08, 9:13 AM

Alright, I've been tearing my hair out with this one, short as it is. What is the minimum crit/spell dmg we should be maintaining before we even think bout haste. My guild is on Kael and starting bt/hyjal atm. Ive tried both focusing on spell crit/dmg and another set, mostly 2.4 badge haste gear. The haste tops out buy my mana doesn't last nearly as long. As well, when I see sites that post gear levels for eleshamans, they gem them out in 12 spell dmg. Where does the crit come from?

Daidalos · 07/15/08, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by draconis0101

Alright, I've been tearing my hair out with this one, short as it is. What is the minimum crit/spell dmg we should be maintaining before we even think bout haste. My guild is on Kael and starting bt/hyjal atm. Ive tried both focusing on spell crit/dmg and another set, mostly 2.4 badge haste gear. The haste tops out buy my mana doesn't last nearly as long. As well, when I see sites that post gear levels for eleshamans, they gem them out in 12 spell dmg. Where does the crit come from?

Again as with everyone who has asked this question in this thread (perhaps you should learn to use the search function?) There is no magic number it depends on the length of the fight and the amount of regen you have. Haste is always better than crit for dps for any archieveable gear set I have seen in BC. Gemming for crit is terrible for dps, so you would only do so if you need it for regen. There are spreadhsheets created to help people decide which stats are best for thier particular stats. Both Bink and myself do extensive mana calculations to help you decide this. Please actually do some work on your own and only then ask a question if you don't understand something.

draconis0101 · 07/16/08, 5:42 PM

I just had a very interesting thing happen. I know TLC has a 2.5 sec cooldown, but I just discharged for a bolt. Next mob in the same pull, I crit'd a LB, crit'd a chain, LO proc'd and crit'd and all three gave me charges and discharged TLC. All within 2 seconds. Thats the first and only time its happened so far.

• Binkenstein · 07/16/08, 9:23 PM

Originally Posted by draconis0101

I just had a very interesting thing happen. I know TLC has a 2.5 sec cooldown, but I just discharged for a bolt. Next mob in the same pull, I crit'd a LB, crit'd a chain, LO proc'd and crit'd and all three gave me charges and discharged TLC. All within 2 seconds. Thats the first and only time its happened so far.

TLC has a 2.5 second cooldown on gaining a new charge after a bolt has been cast.

ie: 1->2->3->bolt->2.5 seconds->1->2->3->bolt->2.5 seconds-> etc etc

draconis0101 · 07/17/08, 8:19 AM

Right, I totally understand that, but thats not what happened. Mines been acting quite weird recently. Anyone else notice any difference? With my haste, my bolts are down to bout 1.8 cast roughly and this was the 4 caster w/ 1 melee in heroic ramps right before the center room that leads to bosses two and three. So distance had nothing to play with this.

Kaideq · 07/17/08, 8:36 AM

We had a rather poor raid yesterday, we got some new trials and decided to test them all out on the first few boss's , which ended up being a disaster with tanks dying left and right on the first boss... Worst idea ever.
"Oh I need to heal the tank?" was a common MT healer reply, sadly enough.

Brutalus wasn't all too pretty either , but I got 1/2 decent tries on him were I set my dps record to 2335, WWS scales it down a little due to the way we pull the boss. No lucky crit streams, 2 EM on CL explain the higher %

2 heroisms though.
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I've been rather conservative about more spell haste for a while now, mana is really becoming a big issue for me on some fights, yet I am a sucker for the M'uru trinket. Anyone running 4/1 with 410 ish haste that can give me some insight on how you are coping on some of the more intensive fights.
Just doing the math, indicates it should be no problem, I however feel a lot changes in this game when you actually do it on a boss for some reason.

• Binkenstein · 07/17/08, 5:52 PM

I was wondering how you managed 2.3k dps, but then I noticed the 6 drums, 2 heroism, and the 3 Hex/Skull uses, which explain it. (1.9k with 1 heroism and none of the extras

)

Mirranda · 07/17/08, 7:28 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I was wondering how you managed 2.3k dps, but then I noticed the 6 drums, 2 heroism, and the 3 Hex/Skull uses, which explain it. (1.9k with 1 heroism and none of the extras :crai: )

I wondered the same thing till you mentioned this. I get 2 hero's, but that's it. 2050-2100 for me.

Kaideq · 07/17/08, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I was wondering how you managed 2.3k dps, but then I noticed the 6 drums, 2 heroism, and the 3 Hex/Skull uses, which explain it. (1.9k with 1 heroism and none of the extras :crai: )

Sad part is , I usually don't use Hex, TLC ends up being better dps for me as far as I calculate it. I was shouting at people on vent and forgot to swap gear.
I don't have drums myself, but most people in raid guilds usually do.

Anyways, I decided to swap trinkets in another way to fix the mana issues, so retracting the previous question.

Cever · 07/19/08, 2:27 PM

Any advice for a t5 shaman struggling with mana issues? I'm using the 5LB rotation, no SP (I know right). Fully raid buffed with Blinding light and Mage Oil I'm finding myself going OOM very early on boss fights were less geared shaman are still have 20% more mana than I do.

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Hoochiemami · 07/19/08, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cever

Any advice for a t5 shaman struggling with mana issues? I'm using the 5LB rotation, no SP (I know right). Fully raid buffed with Blinding light and Mage Oil I'm finding myself going OOM very early on boss fights were less geared shaman are still have 20% more mana than I do.

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Cever,

If you are having problems with retaining enough mana for an entire fight here are a few things you might want to try:

If you have enough money, drop the Haste gems for crit gems. More crit == more LB's @ 60% reduced mana cost.
Drop CL out of your rotation entirely. This is a mana saver that I used back in the day when I was in KZ with no SP.
Eat MP5 or crit food instead of +dmg food
Lastly, the PvP gear has little to value in raids as elemental. (This is strictly my opinion, I am sure a counter arguement is out there) If you have top end guilds on your server selling HoD's (Heart of Darkness), get yourself a pair of the Bracers of Nimble Thought. (No mp5, but will be a huge upgrade to your DPS.)

I hope this helps awnser your question. Also, as I am sure you know. Chain chug those mana pots. Drink early, drink often!

Genj · 07/19/08, 4:55 PM

is there any mathematical confirmation whatsoever that the cap for all casters is at 1400dmg and 40% crit?

A lot of people were testing and found out that for any gear level, anything above those numbers is just meaningless for any casters. But since i don't trust their maths at all, anyone have a clue about those numbers?

• Binkenstein · 07/19/08, 6:32 PM

Originally Posted by Genj

is there any mathematical confirmation whatsoever that the cap for all casters is at 1400dmg and 40% crit?

A lot of people were testing and found out that for any gear level, anything above those numbers is just meaningless for any casters. But since i don't trust their maths at all, anyone have a clue about those numbers?

Firstly, please link said math.

Secondly, there is no cap.

DaCavesta · 07/21/08, 9:13 AM

Hi All,

I've recently switched to an Elemental Shaman role within our raids due to having quite a few Enhancement Shaman about and the lack of a regular Elemental shaman. My gear is partly Tier 6 (still need the 4th piece) and heroic badge/BT/MH gear and after reading through most of the threads I can find on Elemental Shaman I've started using haste/dmg gems for most of the slots I have. I desperately need to obtain the Tier 6 shoulders and ring from BT trash.

The reason I'm posting is we're starting on Brutallus; we've had a couple of shots at him now and I think my dps could/should be higher. Most of the attempts last night I went with the Darkmoon Crusade Card and Quagmirran's Eye. I've thrown all my gear/stats into the 2 spreadsheets supplied on the forums but I don't believe I hit the required dps stated in the spreadsheets.

I've posted a couple of WWS threads below from our attempts, if anyone has time some feedback on my gear or on the stats would be awesome. The group composite was 3 warlocks and 1 paladin on the first stat, the others had 2 mages and 2 warlocks. We lack a SP which basically screws me up from the get go, the guild is working on that though.

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kasouti · 07/21/08, 7:07 PM

edit: Went back and looked at some other reports everyone seems to have a 50-80 second gap of wasted time according to wws.

I went ahead and pluged you into it and got about 100 or so dps higher than listed, but at the same time its assuming constant casting with no totem dropping, no meteor slashes, and things of that nature. Also a lot of times by the end of the fight your crit balances to a different place making the last 2 minutes of the fight make a decent difference because of rng and crit strings.

DaCavesta · 07/21/08, 9:21 PM

Thanks for the reply Kasouti, I've gone through the logs as well to determine how much time I'm spending between casts.

The first WWS you quoted with the 77 casts has a total of 125 hits, I have a total of 13 instances where my casting gap is in excess of 2.5. In one occasion it's 5.9 seconds but I think that's the totem refresh.

The second WWS you quoted with the 69 casts has a total of 112 hits, I have a total of 26 instances where my casting gap is in excess of 2.5. On the pull I was a full 9 seconds behind the first person hitting Brut before my LB hit him!

I don't believe I suffer from lag but looking at this I was either asleep, not paying attention or suffering from some latency. I use quartz bar which I thought would help, I'll check this out tomorow when we raid again.

kasouti · 07/21/08, 9:26 PM

I went back and looked at my own from a more recent fight which I reuploaded and I think I was using AHK on it. My guess is that you're getting that lag between casts occuring and thats causing the lack of casts when it eventually adds up.

Like I said when I edited my last post it seems like a lot of other shaman are having the same issue so I'm going to go with it being lagcast or a wws error.

B-Dawg · 07/22/08, 1:28 PM

@Dac - Your choice in gems confuses me. You use Skycall, a haste cape, and the haste pvp neck...obviously you're leaning towards haste, but then you have straight damage and crit gems

I think reckless pyrestone is an Elemental Shamans' best friend when it comes to gems, and you should consider using them. Also, SW haste badge gear is a good stepping stone towards haste (I use the chest and waist) and I would try to get on ZA runs for the Mana Attuned Band off the the third chest and the Hex Shrunken Head

Lohmarn · 07/22/08, 2:43 PM

Hello ladies and gents!

I was curious about Sunwell gear and the general lack of hit on it. What should we be looking at to solve the hit issue with gear? I have 2 Veiled Pyrestones in since I went from the MH Trash Mace to the mace off Brutallus and also changed my Tier 6 pants out for the badge loot pants, I got LOTS of haste from them, but lost lots of hit from switching those as well, sitting at 53 at the moment.

I do understand that our hit minimum req. with talents is 51 + to hit, but with the sunwell mobs having the passive 20 or 25% chance for us not to hit them, would it be better to switch out a few of my haste/dmg gems for hit/dmg to ensure we hit that? If not, what can I do to increase my DPS? I normally run 1900+ on brut, not using destro pots and roughly the same on M'uru.

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Daidalos · 07/22/08, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Lohmarn

Hello ladies and gents!

I was curious about Sunwell gear and the general lack of hit on it. What should we be looking at to solve the hit issue with gear? I have 2 Veiled Pyrestones in since I went from the MH Trash Mace to the mace off Brutallus and also changed my Tier 6 pants out for the badge loot pants, I got LOTS of haste from them, but lost lots of hit from switching those as well, sitting at 53 at the moment.

I do understand that our hit minimum req. with talents is 51 + to hit, but with the sunwell mobs having the passive 20 or 25% chance for us not to hit them, would it be better to switch out a few of my haste/dmg gems for hit/dmg to ensure we hit that? If not, what can I do to increase my DPS? I normally run 1900+ on brut, not using destro pots and roughly the same on M'uru.

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Its my understanding the 25% chance on sunwell bosses is dodge not spell resistance. Spell hit is worthless once you are capped in pve (I"m not sure if you need additional hit past the 3 hit in pvp to overcome some classes resistance talents or not but thats a pvp issue)