Gelanin

Change the rotation slightly so you do Earthshock->Stormstrike->flame shock then

That should leave enough time for the stormstrike to be eaten up by a ele shammy or boomkin, before you come around to earthshock again in your rotation. (it might be abit tricky to do due to different cooldown timers though)

 

Bulger

I think its situational but boomkins shouldnt use wrath very often so you shouldnt have to worry about boomkin taking stormstike. Boomkin spell rotations tend to look more like this depending on specs.

Basic Rotation is: Imp FF, IS, Starfire, Moonfire, Starfire, Starfire, Starfire...(refreshing IS, and Moonfire as needed)

 

khromey

What DPS are you guys hitting lately with new sunwell gear? Last time I posted I think I had just hit 2100ish.

Wow Web Stats

2350dps 2xheroism

 

Dikij

Seems like yet 1900 is cap 4 me But i don't have any sunwell gear exept for the 3x t6 parts.

 

• Binkenstein

I've been hovering around the 1900 mark, but I've got some new pants, skull, and able to swap the badge chest in now, so I'm hoping to hit 2k this week.

 

Mirranda

I'm at 2050-2150 (2146 being my best). I still don't have a Skull though, which makes me sad. I posted earlier about how I had just gotten one, but it hadn't actually been looted yet, it just dropped, and it ended up going to a newer mage recruit instead of me *sadface*

Enough of that though, unfortunately my guild has given up on Sunwell and stopped at M'uru. Seeing as the only remaining guilds on my server aren't recruiting elemental shamans due to having their own very consistent ele shm, I'm going back to my hunter, at least for the time being to continue raiding in Sunwell.

But in terms of gear and the DPS I was hitting, my armory 'should' show it, I don't think I'm in pvp gear, but I have best in slot for every spot through Twins with the exception of Skull of Gul'dan.

Pretend I typed something witty.

 

kasouti

I'm getting between 2000-2250 depending on burns/how many drums are in my group. I still have a bit I need to pick up from sunwell, but I also have the added benefit of usually being short people on brutallus and having 2 enhance shamans in the raid a lot of the time. No moonkin anymore though .

 

katta

2000+ with no windserpent. Less with. We have 4 drums and one heroism (or, at least *I* get one, though the rest of my group gets 2).

Speaking of windserpents, has there ever been a definitive answer regarding their usage of teh SS charges vs. an ele shaman using them? I've been re-reading that thread from a few months back about it, but nothing really jumps out at me as final. What I took away is that, generally speaking, one windserpent is less raid dps than none whereas three of them is greater than none. Is that right? We raid with just one hunter inside normally, but one of them really insists that his windserpent provides him with an additional 200 dps while survival spec and won't switch pets, even while specced BM.

Also, I have a friend who wrote me a nifty little script that goes through a combat log and shows who uses SS charges and how many times. It is surprising to see who uses the SS charges sometimes. For example, a random healer tossing in wrath or LB! If anyone is interested in the script, I can ask him if I can post a link to it. At the moment, it just shows a name of the user and a count of charges used and the attack used to take the charge.

 

• Binkenstein

Yes, I'd like to see that script.

 

Hythloday

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://wrong.nu/~james/files/ss-usage.py

Place it in the same directory as your WoWCombatLog.txt and run it with Python. I cross-referenced the data with our WWS charts of the attempt to determine the average value of "partially-enriched" spells, and scaled that figure to determine the amount of "enrichment" (i.e. dps gain) that actor got from Storm Strike.

It's certainly possible to expand the script to capture (as opposed to estimate) the exact amount of DPS that's gained - originally I was running the script on such a small amount of data that I felt the method I used would be less susceptible to odd race conditions that I didn't know about. If there's enough interest I can modify the script to do that. Also, it should be feasible to have it "scrub out" an actor and determine the relative DPS gains from the debuff as if the actor didn't exist - which would accurately answer the question "How much DPS would the Elemental Shaman in this log gain if the Hunter hadn't brought a Wind Serpent".

As a caveat, the script doesn't track the target of the debuff, so it will give surprising results if you don't trim trash out of your combatlog. Given that the "purest" fight to measure these kind of data is Brutallus and this only has a single hostile actor, I think this is an acceptable limitation. If anyone would like to say something to the contrary I can modify it.

 

ruizAw

Any addons with real time show who eat Storm Strike? Like ProcMeter.

 

Mirranda

I ran this. Apparently our enhancement shaman keeps up Lightning Shield along with Earth Shocking. This is a very nice script though, and the possibilities you mentioned, though above my skill level, would be really interesting to see the results of. (i.e. the dps increase if you were to take all charges, vs no charges, etc).

Pretend I typed something witty.

 

Nennx

Best I did was 2230 with 2 enhance / no moonkin / 2 wind serpents / 1.5 heroisms a few weeks back.

 

Macblade

I just wanted make sure that I was reading this correctly. Basically you're just suggesting that buying a better keyboard/etc that will allow you to turn key down into key ups so that you can essentially spam twice as fast could be quite an improvement?

 

Daidalos

This is fairly well known. Those using programmable keyboards or auto hot key can spam their buttons faster resulting in higher hps/dps. Get laginfo for your self and see. When I started using AHK my lag between casts went from about 100-150 to about 20-40.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Gelanin

I'd assume using AHK is by most considered "legal" or atleast a very slim chance of getting your chars banned.

So, can anyone do a very quick explenation on what it does, and how you set it up to say spam a certain spell/key as fast as possible ? (by holding down a key when you want it to cast i guess).

 

grutak

A blue posted that Bliz considers AHK a violation of rules.

WoW Forums -> Scripting & Macros

 

Daidalos

If the way I save myself from carpal tunnel is deemed illegal I think I'd rather stop playing. I don't use it for botting simply helping prevent the petetive stress from long raid hours.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Garimto

Is there a gap of DPS between going from 1200 DPS to 1500+ DPS? The reason I ask is because of shamans I've been meeting in heroics that are at my gear level or even a little lower are getting 1400-1500+ DPS while I'm trying to push up around 1200+. Perhaps it may have to do with the type of dmg meters we use (I use recount if that makes any difference at all). But I've looked into his gear and I've looked at mine and here is a summary of my thoughts while trying to figure out how to improve my DPS with the gear I have.

Now look at this guys gear.

The World of Warcraft Armory

He is getting 1500+ DPS while in pvp spec. My guess at first was the fact that NS and his trinkets are making the large DPS gap compared to my 1200. The hex shrunken head is definitely a great trinket but is that what it takes to make the DPS jump? Spell haste shouldn't be much of a factor here since we both of very little of it atm.

Maybe he is the better player, I think that he is the better player. But what is he doing to be better?

Now I don't have WWS for us to look at, but I'm very very confident that our DPS times must've been at their highest possible. We also had similiar LB/CL rotations (3 LB/1 CL) and only occasionally we would drift off.

So I'm at my wits end, maybe I should do more research to find out what factor affects his DPS so greatly, but while I do that I hope you guys can discuss how DPS is affected most by something (something I'm trying to figure out).

 

DevouringDark

I've been wondering something for quite some time about haste vs dmg. Assuming we choose not to have flame shock in a spell rotation (for simplicity's sake), since elemental shaman dps is centered around chain lightning's cooldown, it would make sense that stacking haste until you can throw an extra lightning bolt in between chain lightnings is a huge dps increase. However, after you reach that point, how should haste be valued compared to spell damage before you reach the next bench mark? (And for that matter, would it be better to just drop CL at some point) Obviously it would still be advantageous to have more spell haste, but should you keep gemming for it etc? This might not even be important to consider for maximum dps potential - and it all changes when you throw in shocks. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this! I haven't been elemental for some time, but I'm still curious.

(PS, I am so sorry if something of this has already been posted in this thread, I haven't had the time to read all of the pages!!!)

 

Garimto

From what I've seen and been told it's fine to stack haste over dmg and crit. As you get gear with spell haste the spell damage should scale with it. it's only up to a certain point when you get too much spell haste and spell damage becomes the valuable stat.

As a raider I think you should get around up to 200 spell haste and stop there.

 

• Binkenstein

It's not so much getting X haste and stopping there, it's about making sure that you stay under Y haste until you can equip Y+Z haste if you're using chain lightning (so that you get more bolts in between CL casts) or getting extra damage/haste as you gear up, never quite favouring one over the other if you have joined the lb spamming crowd (new personal dps record on brut while lb spamming: 2.1k dps)

 

Daidalos

There is a reason people make spreadsheets. It's so people can look at their current gear/stats and plug in upgrades/new stats and look to see what is a better upgrade for them. The magic generic advice of haste is always better or damage is always better doesn't really exist. It depends on your raid make up, stats, and even guild strats. Look at Bink's sheet or mine. Plug in your values. If you don't understand something feel free to ask, but I don't say things "all ele shaman should get 200 haste" for good reason. For exmaple, if you don't have a spirest and are hurting on regen and cannot actually last the time needed for the it takes your guild to kill bosses. In which case haste would be a bad idea.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Carda

Brutallus
2.280 dps without ewmkin but our SP used the Chain of the Twilight Owl
1enhancement 2heroism 3 drummers
Wow Web Stats

 

tehbo

hi guys,

I don't know what I could be doing wrong. I got pretty decent gear. my armory link.
But I am kinda stuck at under 2000dps. I'm getting 2 bl, got 3 drums in my group, and one enhancer. But sadly also a Bm hunter with windserpent as pet. It would be nice if you guys could help me!
Am I using a wrong rotation, should I just spam LB or stick to the old 4:1 rotation. Or am I using wrong gems/enchants on my Gear. This is the WWS of our last Brutallus kill.

Nevermind the Enhancer's Gear he's normaly Elemental but our Melees wanted one, so he respecced.

best regards