draconis0101

So whats our rotation now, I've reduced my haste from bout 215 to 65 so that my LB is casting at 1.83. I wanted to keep it around there for the LB,LB,CL rotation for now. Is there a point in having anymore haste than that?

*nm Spent an hour catching up on the other eleshaman forum. No answer needed.

 

Rallian

I too would like to point out how Ret pally's and Boomkin have just risen to the upper crust of the dps meters...I have the most spell damage in guild when fully buffed sitting at 1456 and yet I'm down to the 10-12 dps and damage spot whereas before I was 5-8th...I do not stack haste yet, but I am working on my haste set. could it be I have a spell rotation problem I'm being told I have the potential to be doing up wards of 2k dps, but I seem to only hit 1.4k dps...could someone enlighten me on what I am doing wrong!? (hope this is the appropriate place to post this if not I apologize and would wish to be pointed in the right direction


My stats self buffed with only Flame tongue weapon

Spel power: 1196
Crit: 26%
Haste: 0 (non haste gear)

My rotation: LB>LB>LB>CL

testing out: LB>LB>CL>FS (since patch)

 

lolshamans

You are far from hit capped according to your armory. That is your biggest problem.

 

Mito

As the poster above said, get hit rating first, also you dont have 2 and 4 T6 bonus, change neck and wrist for pvp ones and than you will be getting close to 2k dps you talked about.

Hope this helps.

 

Daidalos

How about you read other pages in this thread. Like oh I dunno the one right before this one?
The One Stop Elemental Shop

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

afia

Ok so according to the post on page 88 I need to be focusing on hit% till I hit the cap...somewhere between 11-14% depending on raid makeup (that right?) then I need to be focusing on Haste (what average rating?) then Crit? Do I bother with dmg gems? I dont really see how you can focus on haste and crit at the same time really (except with gems). Usually gear is haste or crit.

Appreciate the help...my shammy feel very lackluster lately. Usually I'm 8-10th on the dps charts now. I'm reading on mmo that this will change with Lava Burst but for now I'm tempted to go resto

 

Headspace Cools

With 3.0.2 I'm finding I miss a lot more. I've swapped out my Scryer's Blade of Focus for the Amani Punisher instead (for the 20 hit rating) which has me bumped up to about 60HR. Is this still too low with the 3.0.2 changes?

*EDIT: I know from reading previous posts that 11%-14% is the ideal hit rating now, but what is that in raw Hit Rating numbers (with talents taken into account) ?

Also, pre 3.0.2 I had about 180 Haste and after 3.0.2 I noticed a massive damage output decrease. I messed around with different gear setups (been lucky enough to horde a LOT of gear in my bank) and found there was a haste 'dead zone' from about 180 to 230... where if my rating was anywhere in that range my DPS just did not increase with other minor gear swap-outs (tested consistently at 1250ish DPS) but when I went full-haste-hog and put on all the haste gear I had - pumping up to 259 haste rating - I was at a consistent 1380 DPS.

But I'm reading in here that any more than about 60 Haste rating isn't ideal for raiding... yet I consistently top out T6 Warlocks and Mages in BT (not in Hyjal, of course). I'm also seeing a lot of people with around that 60 haste rating and stacked spellpower/crit complaining that their DPS is way down from pre-patch. Mine is WAY up...

 

Headspace Cools

Sorry for double-post

I've dug around some more, looks to me like 12.6 hit rating = 1% hit. With the comments I'm seeing showing that you should have at least 11% hit rating, that means we have to hit a marker of about 139 hit rating?

This number doesn't jive with what I see on the character sheets of the more knowledgeable Shammies who've posted in this thread. I'm seeing some with ZERO hit rating (and they're clearly in PvE gear with 300+ haste) and others who are right around the mid 50s or so.

So what is the deal here?

I'm looking for a simple yes or no on this; Do we have to hit 139 hit rating before worrying about stacked haste and spellpower?

If so; why is virtually everyone I've armory'd throughout the nearly 80 pages of this thread WAY below that hit cap?

 

Shkarn

There are several potential reasons for why you're seeing so many shaman without the hit cap. Some of which include (but are not limited to):

1) Those shaman haven't been raiding
2) The gear they logged out in is trash gear, but they wear a different set for bosses
3) They haven't bothered re-gemming/re-gearing

From my understanding now, though, the priority is on getting hit-capped again, and yes - you will need around 140 hit rating to do that, assuming you have either Imp FF or Misery in your raid (more if you don't have either of those two).

 

ruizAw

Theory: 17% -3%(talent) -3%(spriest) = 11% *12.65 = 139hr - 20(hot talbuk) = 119hr
I'm re-gemming and have 135hr = 0% miss in MH and BT, swap neck - 131hr = 1 miss (not 1%, just 1 cast). And i'm not eat talbuk...

 

Headspace Cools

Last night we pounded 4/5 in MH with a few attempts on Archi (didn't get Archi down, too many newbies in the raid). Now MH CLEARLY isn't the place for Ele Shammy DPS but on boss fights I was coming in around 1700DPS (with 89HR, 218 Haste, 1240 SP and 30% crit with EO up constantly). A few people were topping me on the meters but they were full T6 geared people so I wasn't too dismayed.

What was interesting to me was when I checked the overall stats after downing Kaz... I had cast about 550 LBs and 375 CLs and I had missed 10 times total. That's between a 1% and 2% miss rate but I'm very much under the hit cap.

Is there some mistake here? How do I have only around 8% hit rating yet my performance shows much stronger than that?

Is it possible that some talent is bugged and we're still receiving a hit rating boost that isn't showing on a tooltip?

 

Shkarn

This can be "explained" by the RNG. You could have just gotten very lucky with your spells hitting. The true test would be if you can reproduce the same results with the same gear at your next several raids.

 

Headspace Cools

Heading into BT tonight and then probably going to see if we can't full clear SSC and TK on Thursday (should be doable with the nerf in a 3hr raid window). So I will have some more data by then.

 

Torrential

Also, he said 'overall' stats. Which includes trash, and they are lower level. Thus pushing your miss % down a little. Not much, but some. And when you've only done one test 'some' can end up being quite a bit. That's why people like lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of testing + simulation + theory. Statistically one test is just not worth much.

 

Sathyra

With the amount of changes to elemental talents (specially regarding spellhit), i got a little lost on how to adjust my gear for those final 2 weeks and decided to post here my doubts. I have been raiding BT and MH, finished both due to the nerfs, and technically we will start SWP this week. My gear was basically old gear with crit and spellpower. I was using a rotation of LB, LB, LB and CL. Being draenei, technically we need 10% hit for raid bosses (+1% racial, 3% moonkin or spriest and 3% from elemental precision), right? People were saying 11% but i take it that's for horde.
So i got to the point i believe i should be getting haste over crit and spellpower. Is that a rule of thumb? With the new replenishment i find myself not losing mana at all, which allows for using CL all the time. i wonder cause before the patch the objective was to get haste to eventually use only LB spam, though with the mana regen i get right now, should i go that path?
If that's the way, then basically should i favor hit (till capped), haste, crit then spellpower?

A bit explanation from where i came from:
A long time ago i was following the idea of getting 1200 spellpower and 40% crit then going haste, which is an old idea from everything i read the past couple of weeks. But with the new patch on live, i felt i have better mana efficiency than i had before to keep CL in the rotation. So the plans i had made before the patch for going all haste, i held them a bit to make sure that's the path to go due to the changes.

All that before we get to lvl up again to 80.

 

Zomglazerpew

I'm not sure if this was brought up before but I was wondering if haste is still viable for a 2:1 LB:CL rotation considering the 3.5 sec CD on CL, or if its better to stack crit. I'm close to hitcap and I've been doing pretty decent DPS (Roughly 1.4k on certain boss fights) but I have a mix of haste and crit gems because pre-3.0.2 I was stacking haste but now it seems to me that crits a better option. Would anyone like to clarify this for me?

 

• Juice

These are dumb questions. Go to the other thread (Elemental Wotlk Talents discussion) and start reading. Everything you're asking has been addressed before, which means you shouldn't be asking it.

 

Grimzilla

Currently im pulling about 2k dps in raids with my gear. I have absolutly no mana problems while spamming LBs, during a fight and at the end if the fight im always around 97% mana left. This due to high mp5 and retri palas. Im changing the usage of mana pots to destro pots now, just to try and keep up with the other dps. But i cant seem to keep up. Blue geared (with 2 T6) boomkins pull about the same dps.

After a lot of testing i found out that Thunderstorm is a worthless talent PvE wise, the knockback is very annoying when mobs need to be AOE-ed, the mana return is not neccecery, but the damage is nice. Like the mage blastwave that now does knockback, we dont use that in PvE because it makes AOE less efficient.

Do some of you have any pointers in what i could do to up my dps a bit, like changing rotation, dropping some stats (gems). If you look at my armory take note that i didnt enchant my bracer yet since i just got it. For some back info on what bosses my guild does so you know what kind of encounters we do, we cleared SWP, BT, MH. So my focus goes to those encounters.

Thanks in advanced.

 

Deathdlr

You can afford to drop some hit if you have a SP/Boomkin in raid. And I found that Tot of Ancestral guidance is better then skycall but thats just me. Maybe drop some of those hit gems for pure haste.

 

• Juice

Thread no longer maintained, so I'm closing it. The questions I'm seeing should either not be asked or asked in the Wotlk Elemental thread.

Hint: Don't ask us how to increase your dps without framing the question very specifically so it doesn't look like a stupid question that anyone who spent 1 hour learning his class should know.

(Don't use destro pots. Use haste pots.)