its incoming heal with other healbot users is not fully reliable.
Whereas Grid is...which is another plus. And it shows HoTs (i'm not sure if Healbot does), all types of debuffs can be configurable either as a border, centre text, centre icon, or colouring of the grid.
Originally Posted by Naginda
For me Healbot gives me a quick overview of who in raid needs healing and how much, so I can react quickly with the right spell. I do not like grid because of it box form which makes it close to impossible to see how much damage people have taken, at least for me. In healbot you can make the healthbars the excat size and colour you want.
Grid is exactly the same. It can show how much you will overheal when the spell hits too. And you can size, shape and colour grid exactly how you want aswell.
It's a preference thing, but having tried both, I found the grid/clique combo both easier to use, configure and manage than healbot.
We can't let Elemental shaman have all the good toys.
Rawr is a program originally designed to rate gear, enchants and buffs for feral druids. It's creator is now making the platform available to all classes and specs. It’s designed to fill the role currently filled by spreadsheets but Rawr is easier to use and automatically handles item data.
Console is working on a beta version for Elemental shaman based on Binkenstein’s Shamstats. He has thought about doing a resto version but can’t commit to it until he has a working Elemental model.
So I wanted to find out if we had anyone with C# knowledge lurking in the resto thread. Rawr is written in C#, using .NET Framework 2.0, using Visual Studio 2008. You can find all the details here: http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t21713-r...l_development/
Skyhoof, your post is a week old but I see no other responses. I am a C# developer and in fact have been added as a dev on the Rawr project. I am currently in the process of gearing up to switch my level 69 Shaman to Resto so a Resto Shaman module of Rawr is of interest to me as well. I simply do not have the time (or to be honest knowledge of Resto Shamans as of yet) to do a module myself, but I am more than willing to help someone else working on it.
Now, either haste rating is overvalued, or the Brooch really is a better item.
They're both wonderful. One has regen which is generally not amazingly useful but Stamina which is generally amazingly useful. As a healer with zero HoT/shield spells I really hated the time period where my unbuffed Stamina was close to that of a Priest or Mage.
I see a lot of people on this forum utilizing Grid + Clique. I gave Grid a whirl but had some trouble getting used to it. I've been using Pitbull + Clique and enjoy the functionality. It seemed a little more clear to set up than memorizing what the different corner dots would mean in Grid. I think the customization process in Pitbull can be ungainly and might scare people away before it is even set up, but once it's going, buffs and debuffs are clearly displayed, incoming heals seem prompt and accurate (I don't have a mechanic to test that) and the cleanse-able debuff auras are obvious (and with Decursive, can be set to trigger a sound...admittedly, in a raid that sound could approach a drum solo, but I am not in 25-man content as yet).
I also like the customizable range dimming so I could make it blatantly obvious when folks were out of range or, as a secondary indicator, mind-controlled or otherwise taken out of combat. I can't fault the Grid users since I'm just entering the healing game (healed through Kara thus far) and I suspect its usefulness would increase dramatically in larger raids where screen real estate becomes an issue (as well as economy of mouse travel for healing).
For those with game window real-estate problems due to addons I use CTViewport to shrink the rendered window. I have a monitor that's on the large side so I don't notice any loss in that respect. Having all of my raid bars, action bars and chat boxes off the screen is a nice help. It's a personal preference thing since a healer may not feel the need to have point and click access to every part of the game screen, but I really enjoy it so I figured I'd throw it out there.
Thanks for this thread as I check it daily and it continues to give me a leg-up on playing a resto Shaman to its fullest.
Like others, I use Grid and Clique too. I very recently switched from dps warrior to resto shaman for the raid. These two mods, once set to my own preference, have been such a blessing and have made 25-man healing so much fun. Here is a WWS of my first time in BT on the shaman (Gintan)using mostly Karazhan gear: Wow Web Stats
I'm seeing things I need to fix still, like remembering to use Earth Shield more often
For Clique:
Left click - CH4
Shift left click - CH5
Control left click - NS/Trinket/CH5 macro
Right click - HW8
Shift right click - HW12
Control right click - NS/Trinket/HW12 macro
Scroll wheel click - Select target
Mouse button 4 - LHW7
Shift mouse button 4 - Trinket/Earth Shield macro
Thank you all for the wealth of knowledge and advice provided in this thread. It has made raiding as a resto shaman a very exciting experience so far.
Skyhoof, have you considered linking your Resto Shaman Gear Guide from the official WoW forums? While it lacks the precision of ShamStats, it can serve as a decent quick reference, especially for new shamans/rerollers.
Hey guys, I'm a restoration shaman who's been using Healbot his entire raiding career. From what I have observed, however, Grid+Clique seem to be the most popular healing UI for high level content around. I have had some trouble configuring these addons and was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of a good guide. Grid seems especially bewildering to me and is a far-cry of the plug-and-play usability of Healbot.
Skyhoof, have you considered linking your Resto Shaman Gear Guide from the official WoW forums? While it lacks the precision of ShamStats, it can serve as a decent quick reference, especially for new shamans/rerollers.
Irony alert!
Guess where the original version of this, and a gear listing, were posted?
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Oh come on, you should have guessed it was the official WoW forums, more specifically the Shaman board
Yeah, but this iteration of "How to Heal Like a Pro" has no obvious links back to the lazy man's gear rankings!
The lack of a link was intentional, given the EJ philosophy of giving people the knowledge to make their own decisions, rather than a simple answer. However, I do still maintain the list on the official forums because sometimes you do just want a one-size fits all answer. But I guess I can't ignore that the list is out there. I will put a tiny link in the FAQ section.
I have recently specced out of Healing Way (from 8/0/53), because I never cast Healing Wave on one target enough for it to be worthwhile. If I do cast healing wave, it's generally off a nature's swiftness.
If I am casting a series of heals on a tank, I use chain heal because of the bounce (or chance to bounce.)
Healing Way is a significant buff to the HPS and HPM of healing wave. However, I haven't run into a situation where using chain heal on a tank was too taxing on my mana, or where it just wasn't providing high enough HPS.
As a result, I decided to put the points into Ancestral Knowledge instead. Yes, the mana from Ancestral Knowledge is not much, however I am getting nothing at all from Healing Way.
I'm curious as to whether anyone else has a similar experience in terms of not getting use from Healing Way in 25 man raids.
My experience might be more due to the way healing plays out in the guild I'm in. Or, it could be that Healing Way is in general a pretty mediocre talent in 25 man raiding, and it's worth considering whether one of the other medicore talents is a better use of those three points.
(Note - I'm only concerned with the value of Healing Way in 25 man raids, because that's what I want my spec optimised for.)
Not having healing way means you're pigeon-holing yourself as a raid heal only person. Never a good idea, especially as there are cases where you should use HW (Fel rage targets on Bloodboil for example)
At the moment my thinking is that even in cases like healing the fel rage target:
a) chain heal = less HPS on the single target but provides additional healing from bounces, and
b) healing way + healing wave = more HPS on the single target.
And taking into account that there are other healers spamming the target, a) > b).
I'm not sure how you could go about theorycrafting this, as it would be dependant on factors like how many other healers are in the raid and what they are doing.
On second thoughts, you're right about fel rage ... there generally won't be anyone in range to take bounces. So, Healing Way / Healing Wave is better if you are healing the fel rage target.
However, this didn't occur to me initially because I'm assigned to raid healing and not healing the person with fel rage. ie I'm casting chain heals around the raid rather than spamming the fel rage tank.
What I am interested to hear from other resto shamans is whether their experience is similar to mine, or if there are cases where they are getting use from Healing Way.
I specced out of healing way a long time ago.
Currently i'm 8/5/48. I like the extra mana from Ancestral Knowledge. I value intellect perhaps higher than the 'standard' for numerous reasons and ancestral knowledge suits my gearing.
Speccing healing way for one fight is pretty pointless if you don't use it at all any other times. And if you're getting Gurtogg down without any issues then that further says you don't need it.
I also really only use Healing Wave with Natures Swiftness.
With the build i have i have 3 points to 'play with' Currently they're in totemic focus, but they could easily go into Healing Way should i really need it. I don't find i do though. **shrug
I pity the resto shamans that spam only CH. But that's up to you and your RL. My guild runs with enough shamans and CoH spamming priests to make sure some of us single target-heal sometime.
Skyhoof - you should consider removing stam completely from the stat comparison. It brings nothing to the healing potential for a resto shaman whatsoever. I would have removed spirit too as you have to do doing nothing for five seconds for it to kick in and then it's pretty terrible for us. You can compare it to int for an enhance shaman. It will bring your DPS up ever so slightly(due to crit), but compared to the item budget cost, it's useless.
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I specced out of healing way a long time ago.
Currently i'm 8/5/48. I like the extra mana from Ancestral Knowledge. I value intellect perhaps higher than the 'standard' for numerous reasons and ancestral knowledge suits my gearing.
Speccing healing way for one fight is pretty pointless if you don't use it at all any other times. And if you're getting Gurtogg down without any issues then that further says you don't need it.
I also really only use Healing Wave with Natures Swiftness. . **shrug
First if you valued int more than the "average Shaman" wouldn't ancestral knowledge be less valuable?
You argument about specing for healing way being pointless if you rarely cast healing wave is very week. The same point could be (and has been) made about never going below 600 mana and ancestral knowledge, if you never go below 600 mana those points have been wasted.
Even if all you do is cast chain heal, sometimes things go wrong, and the ability to step in and be an effective single target healer is invaluable. At the end of the day your lack HPS on healing wave is likely to result in more wipes than an extra 600 mana.
Skyhoof - you should consider removing stam completely from the stat comparison. It brings nothing to the healing potential for a resto shaman whatsoever. I would have removed spirit too as you have to do doing nothing for five seconds for it to kick in and then it's pretty terrible for us. You can compare it to int for an enhance shaman. It will bring your DPS up ever so slightly(due to crit), but compared to the item budget cost, it's useless.
Even if you ignore the fact that you do end up getting some regen from being outside the 5sr, the imp divine spirit buff (if you can count on getting it) turns 1/10 of spirit into +healing, so a 0.1 value for spirit is fair.
First if you valued int more than the "average Shaman" wouldn't ancestral knowledge be less valuable?
Hardly. When i say i value int, i value it for mana and the extra crit and heal. AK directly affects my mana. The larger my INT, the more base mana i have, the more AK affects it and the more i get out of mana tide.
Originally Posted by Vistol
You argument about specing for healing way being pointless if you rarely cast healing wave is very week. The same point could be (and has been) made about never going below 600 mana and ancestral knowledge, if you never go below 600 mana those points have been wasted.
Even if all you do is cast chain heal, sometimes things go wrong, and the ability to step in and be an effective single target healer is invaluable. At the end of the day your lack HPS on healing wave is likely to result in more wipes than an extra 600 mana.
I think you misunderstand. I don't take Ancestral Knowledge in place of healing way. I currently have the healing way points in totemic focus.
The lack of HPS on healing wave isn't likely to result in more wipes. That's a baseless statement. Many factors will and do contribute to a wipe. Not one shaman not taking healing way.
Even if you ignore the fact that you do end up getting some regen from being outside the 5sr, the imp divine spirit buff (if you can count on getting it) turns 1/10 of spirit into +healing, so a 0.1 value for spirit is fair.
True, but I never get it. Our two holy priests are both CoH spammers.
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Hardly. When i say i value int, i value it for mana and the extra crit and heal. AK directly affects my mana. The larger my INT, the more base mana i have, the more AK affects it and the more i get out of mana tide.
AK offers at most 3mp5 (on a 15k mana pool), Totemic focus offers far better returns in terms of mp5 (at 1-4mp5 per point). Also the higher your mana pool, the longer it takes for you to burn down to the last 500-750 mana potentially gained from Ak, if you even reach that point.
I think you misunderstand. I don't take Ancestral Knowledge in place of healing way. I currently have the healing way points in totemic focus.
The lack of HPS on healing wave isn't likely to result in more wipes. That's a baseless statement. Many factors will and do contribute to a wipe. Not one shaman not taking healing way.
No i base my statement on the fact than when called on to single target heal on a MT, after a paladin Dc's lets say, your HPS without healing way < than your HPS with healing way. Given that the MT needs X-HPS to be > Y-Damage per second from the raid boss, significantly lower personal HPS will push X closer to Y increasing the odds of MT death and a wipe.
Are the odds of this happing very likely? No they are in fact probably quite small, my assertion however is that this scenario has far greater odds of being the game breaker than the +/- 600 mana gained via Ak.
Or to simplify the potential gains from the rarely used healing way far outweigh the gains from the rarely used last 600 mana on my cast bar.
Last edited by Vistol : 03/13/08 at 11:22 AM.
Reason: speiling
re: Healing Way for 25 man raiding
As a result, I decided to put the points into Ancestral Knowledge instead. Yes, the mana from Ancestral Knowledge is not much, however I am getting nothing at all from Healing Way.
You seem to be forgetting that when cast Healing Wave on a target, any other shaman in your raid also healing that target with Healing Wave will benefit from the buff.
Ancestral Knowledge is a weak talent. The key to shaman healing is how much mana we can regenerate, not how much we have at the start.
You are gimping yourself by not having Healing Way. You are only useful in a raid when spamming chain heal. This limits your utility. I do nothing in Illidan Phase 2 except spam Healing Wave on one of the two tanks on the blades. In Archimonde, the main tank healers frequently go out of range and I have to cast Healing Wave on the tank until they can run back. Someone already mentioned healing the Fel Rage target. Do you never do ZA? Heroics?
Frankly, if a shaman didn't have Healing Way, I wouldn't want them in my 25-man raid.
I pity the resto shamans that spam only CH. But that's up to you and your RL. My guild runs with enough shamans and CoH spamming priests to make sure some of us single target-heal sometime.
Skyhoof - you should consider removing stam completely from the stat comparison. It brings nothing to the healing potential for a resto shaman whatsoever. I would have removed spirit too as you have to do doing nothing for five seconds for it to kick in and then it's pretty terrible for us. You can compare it to int for an enhance shaman. It will bring your DPS up ever so slightly(due to crit), but compared to the item budget cost, it's useless.
I fully agree with your thoughts Raut on Healing Wave. Priests are more efficient at bombing heals but I have no troubles with holding down that spot. Rank 9 HW is around 4300-4400 for me with healing way making a very nice buffer on spike damage. The 16-20% crits I get means ancestral healing will almost always be up reducing spikes. A priest with his lower crit chance will not always be able to do this.
On stamina I totally disagree. Low life means a dead healer. To many times have I seen my 10.5-12K buffed life go to almost nothing in a flash. If I had been at 9K it would have been a wipe. It use to be said healers do not get hit but in BC this is no longer true, everyone takes damage.
On second thoughts, you're right about fel rage ... there generally won't be anyone in range to take bounces. So, Healing Way / Healing Wave is better if you are healing the fel rage target.
However, this didn't occur to me initially because I'm assigned to raid healing and not healing the person with fel rage. ie I'm casting chain heals around the raid rather than spamming the fel rage tank.
What I am interested to hear from other resto shamans is whether their experience is similar to mine, or if there are cases where they are getting use from Healing Way.
I can understand why a shaman could get away with not getting healing way and do fine 90% of the time. However I strongly feel that it limits my flexibility on what I can do. Sure we are BEST in a raid healing situation. I however, do single target heal. Illidan in phase 1 and assisting in phase 2 if needed, Archimonde, Bloodboil, Supremus, all sorts of things in ZA esp. Bear and Bear trash. Can you do it without healing way? Sure but its basically 3 points that you don't use all the time when you do use them make a great deal of difference and I don't feel there is any other place where those 3 points can be spent that make up for this.
Hey guys, I'm currently at 3 pieces of tier 6 and was wondering when the 5% to Chain Heal on the 4-piece set bonus was added. The front page says that this bonus is only worth 53 +healing. That seems rather low. My first chain heal averages 3337 (without counting crits). With all 3 jumps, that 5840 healing. So if it's a straight multiplier, my first jump would be 3504 and total heal would be 6132.
Playing around with some of my gear, removing eye of gruul (44 heal) lowers my first jump CH by 42. Removing Essence of the Martyr (84 heal) lowers my first jump CH by 80. So that sounds like the 167 first jump heal increase from the 4-piece bonus is worth about +175 healing.
As for the 2-piece bonus, the front page says it's worth 37 mp5. I save 54 mana per chain heal with the 2-piece bonus. With my mediocre 70 haste, I can cast 2.09 chain heals per 5 seconds. That means if I'm spamming perfectly, that 2-piece bonus is worth 54*2.09 = 112.9 mp5. Granted, I'm not always spamming chain heal but it does happen quite a lot. And in high intensity situations like that, the 2-piece bonus seriously rocks.
Is my math bad or are the guestimates on the front page quite a bit off?
03/11/08, 8:03 AM
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