How to Heal like a Pro - Page 32

Shinwei · 02/03/08, 2:27 AM

I believe the Hyjal pants that Natrozim are talking about are these: [Sun-Touched Chain Leggings]

WraithTwo · 02/03/08, 2:00 PM

Originally Posted by Daidalos

They do not incur an additional GCD on your cast but yes if you cancel a cast it will incur GCD.

How was I saying anything different? All I meant by that is that if I have to cancel my cast and I'm using totem macros, I'll be on global cooldown from the totem switching, delaying my next cast.

PsyBomb · 02/03/08, 2:54 PM

Just a quick question for those familiar with HealBot, is there a way to bind the totem-heal macros to use as click spells?

Natrozim · 02/03/08, 6:04 PM

Originally Posted by Shinwei

I believe the Hyjal pants that Natrozim are talking about are these: [Sun-Touched Chain Leggings]

hmm ya, din't think about the cloth ones off archimonde. But I guess if priests/druids don't need them they are definitely better than the mail ones off kaz rogal

Thrawnseg · 02/04/08, 8:55 AM

Is there a "magic number" when you can start collecting Haste gear and not MP/5? I'm not in a BT guild yet (about to get kael vial tonight hopefully, then start next week in Hyjal), so right now, I'd be limited to the ZA neck and badge belt.

Right now, I'm roughly 1700 healing and 115 MP/5. Is this a ok time to start collecting haste gear, or since I can't get alot of it yet, it's just not worth it at this point? Or more specific, what is the lowest MP/5 you can carry and still be efficent with Rank 4 CH in Hyjal/BT?

Shareel · 02/04/08, 9:30 AM

Originally Posted by Thrawnseg

Right now, I'm roughly 1700 healing and 115 MP/5. Is this a ok time to start collecting haste gear, or since I can't get alot of it yet, it's just not worth it at this point? Or more specific, what is the lowest MP/5 you can carry and still be efficent with Rank 4 CH in Hyjal/BT?

115 MP/5 should be fine, if you add Water Shield, 25 MP/5 Flask, Brilliant Mana Oil and your mana totem.
I suggest also [Fathom-Brooch of the Tidewalker] as one of your trinkets. This trinket alone provide around 27-32 MP/5 from CH "spam".

I prefer CH2 as staple heal and CH4 as second choice. CH2 spam with occasional CH4/CH5 powered by 12% permanent spellhaste works very well.

Hodor · 02/04/08, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Thrawnseg

Is there a "magic number" when you can start collecting Haste gear and not MP/5? I'm not in a BT guild yet (about to get kael vial tonight hopefully, then start next week in Hyjal), so right now, I'd be limited to the ZA neck and badge belt.

Right now, I'm roughly 1700 healing and 115 MP/5. Is this a ok time to start collecting haste gear, or since I can't get alot of it yet, it's just not worth it at this point? Or more specific, what is the lowest MP/5 you can carry and still be efficent with Rank 4 CH in Hyjal/BT?

It depends on having or not having a SP. My advice is quite simple: start off with your normal healing equipment for boss fights. If you have mana problems, then keep using that equipment. If you always have lots of mana left at the end of the boss fight, start wearing some more haste equipment.

Always wear haste equipment on trash, as you can (usually) drink after every mob group if you have no more mana.

Thorakk · 02/04/08, 12:06 PM

The amount of mana per 5 you can get from buffs and consumables is overwhelming to be honest.

With some quick and dirty wowhead math we can get

50 - Water shield
50 - Mana spring totem
25 - Flask of Mighty Restoration
25 - Drums of restoration (every raider should be a leatherworker but that's another post for another thread)
14 - Superior Mana Oil
49 - Improved Blessing of Wisdom
100 - Super Mana Potion

that totals out to a whopping 313 mana per 5 without a single piece of gear added (and with mana tide omitted for simplicity)

With an easily obtainable 150 mp5 from gear we get a grand total of 463 mp5 which, to put in perspective, is going to recover more than half of a rank 5 chain heal during the time in which it is cast. (again I'm leaving mana tide out and of course there are further regen options like shadow priests for mana intense fights)

Suffice it to say that stacking mp5 on gear should not be a top priority on a wish list going into sunwell.

WraithTwo · 02/04/08, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by PsyBomb

Just a quick question for those familiar with HealBot, is there a way to bind the totem-heal macros to use as click spells?

I'm not familiar with Healbot, but if it can't do it, then Clique can. All you need is macro support on whichever click to heal mod you're using. The following macro works fine:

/use [target=mouseover] Spellname(Rank)
/use Relicname

thorin5 · 02/04/08, 1:15 PM

Originally Posted by Thorakk

50 - Water shield
50 - Mana spring totem
25 - Flask of Mighty Restoration
25 - Drums of restoration (every raider should be a leatherworker but that's another post for another thread)
14 - Superior Mana Oil
49 - Improved Blessing of Wisdom
100 - Super Mana Potion

that totals out to a whopping 313 mana per 5 without a single piece of gear added (and with mana tide omitted for simplicity)

That's even leaving out 8 from a well fed buff as well. Also, Mana Spring works out to be 62.5 mp5 rather than 50 since it's 2.5 ticks of 25 per 5 seconds, but close enough for the point you're making.

Naginda · 02/06/08, 5:12 AM

Totem agro

I have some questions about totems and agro, as my guild now and then complains about it.
Last night on Kaz'rogal after wave 8 and Kaz'rogal was on incoming I dropped wrath of air totem to buff the maintank with Eartshield. Then the raid complained about totems taking agro. After raid I found out it was the mana tide totem which should have pulled the agro. All in all a bit confusing, I do not think I had mana tide up, but our other shaman did. But in order to avoid this from happening again I want to know exactly how totems agro work.

Do they draw agro to themselves when cast or to the owner.
Does Mana tide/healing stream totem give agro to itself or the caster when regenerating.
Or do they only pull agro by a body pull.

Shareel · 02/06/08, 6:20 AM

Originally Posted by Naginda

Do they draw agro to themselves when cast or to the owner.
Does Mana tide/healing stream totem give agro to itself or the caster when regenerating.
Or do they only pull agro by a body pull.

Totems can draw aggro, but there must be several conditions ...

* The Mob has only "passive" aggro -> Body Pull or Puller is dead
* You cast a new totem and the totem buff someone
* Someone enter the totemrange and receive the totem buff
* Healing Stream heal someone

I consider the following conditions as "safe" ...

* You cast the totems before you enter combat
* No-one enter the totemrange until the mob has "direct" aggro (from damage or heal)
* You can recast totems as long as all group members have the totem buff already "active"
* I never had any problems with Mana Spring as long as all "safe" conditions are true.

But I avoid Healing Stream and Mana Tide before the tank has direct aggro.

galzohar · 02/06/08, 10:30 AM

As far as I know:
Buffing, restoring mana and healing all generate threat in addition to dealing damage. This is small threat, however, and if a totem pulled aggro it means the mob wasn't picked up. The only way for a totem to pull aggro is same as the only way for a healer to pull aggro - buff/heal someone right as the mobs are running to the tank before he even got a hit on them.

Daidalos · 02/06/08, 11:53 AM

Totems buff which produces a small amount of threat as others have noted. As does returning mana or health (which is why spirest aggro is so high even though they do alot less dmg than many other classes).

Also keep in mind that some totem buffs are not static they pulse. They de/buff at 2 or 5s increments
Totems that pulse:
Tremor
Windfury
Poison / Disease cleasnsing
water spring
healing stream.
stoneclaw

ALso any totems doing dmg produce threat as does the countdown pulses of fire nova totem (its an odd mechanic since it it doing any dmg yet still produces threat. Seems like a stoneclaw effect.)

I don't think decursing produces any threat however I am not completely sure. Tremor, poison cleanse, and disease cleanse fall under the decursing types and I don't think they generate aggro. Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

The other buffing totems that pulse will generate everytime they pulse and reapply thier respective buff. Windfury is the most common totem to get aggro. Many fights where bosses or mobs randomly target people windfury would get targeted e.g. shade of aran, teron, etc (this mostly seems to be fixed but the point is how they produce threat not that mobs randomly target them).. Before fear mechanic change when aggro would be lost during fear, when the entire raid would be feared pulsing totems would frequently get aggro. I think onyixia destroyed my WF totem every week pre TBC raiding when the raid was feared.

fandros · 02/06/08, 4:50 PM

Has anyone seen or done the math to relate %crit to AF uptime?
I was able to determine the chance of refreshing AF before it runs out spaming either a 2.5 sec or a 1.5 sec cast heal but i am not smart enough to relate that to a % of AF uptime as time goes to infinity.

1-(Chance you dont crit)^(number of cast)=chance of criting