How to Heal like a Pro - Page 33

mutagen · 02/06/08, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by fandros

Has anyone seen or done the math to relate %crit to AF uptime?
I was able to determine the chance of refreshing AF before it runs out spaming either a 2.5 sec or a 1.5 sec cast heal but i am not smart enough to relate that to a % of AF uptime as time goes to infinity.

1-(Chance you dont crit)^(number of cast)=chance of criting

This post has some math on the priest talent Inspiration.

Rhaegal · 02/06/08, 5:16 PM

I don't think I'm leaving anything out, but someone please confirm:

Uptime for HW spam = 1-((1-crit%)^(15/(2.5/(1+(haste rating/1577)))))
Uptime for LHW spam = 1-((1-crit%)^(15/(1.5/(1+(haste rating/1577)))))

Where 15 is the duration in seconds, and 1.5 and 2.5 are the cast times of Lesser Healing Wave and Healing Wave in seconds. I calculated 46.9% uptime for HW spam and 65.1% uptime for LHW spam for a shaman with 10% total spell crit. That seems a little high? Of course, it may seem high because I rarely chain cast without canceling any.

[Edit] That priest post is probably more practically helpful, since it accounts for not chain casting. The above formulas should work in the event that you do have to for whatever reason.

fandros · 02/06/08, 5:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rhaegal

I don't think I'm leaving anything out, but someone please confirm:

Uptime for HW spam = 1-((1-crit%)^(15/(2.5/(1+(haste rating/1577)))))
Uptime for LHW spam = 1-((1-crit%)^(15/(1.5/(1+(haste rating/1577)))))

Where 15 is the duration in seconds, and 1.5 and 2.5 are the cast times of Lesser Healing Wave and Healing Wave in seconds. I calculated 46.9% uptime for HW spam and 65.1% uptime for LHW spam for a shaman with 10% total spell crit. That seems a little high? Of course, it may seem high because I rarely chain cast without canceling any.

[Edit] That priest post is probably more practically helpful, since it accounts for not chain casting. The above formulas should work in the event that you do have to for whatever reason.

This is not true uptime though.
Consider two extremes you have 25 crit heals out of 150 heals with a heal landing every 2.5 secs.

Your AF uptime if the 25 crits happen in a row would be 24*2.5+15=75secs
If you crit every 6th heal you would have 25*15=375secs

edit: Just to be clear your math is right but it does not = uptime
it does = % chance you will refresh AF before it expires

Naginda · 02/06/08, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by galzohar

As far as I know:
Buffing, restoring mana and healing all generate threat in addition to dealing damage. This is small threat, however, and if a totem pulled aggro it means the mob wasn't picked up. The only way for a totem to pull aggro is same as the only way for a healer to pull aggro - buff/heal someone right as the mobs are running to the tank before he even got a hit on them.

Could a totem do more agro than a misdirect ?

Iku · 02/06/08, 6:44 PM

Quite a few times, I had Searing Totems pull aggro during phase transitions with aggro wipe, even against successful Shield Slam hits.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but it seems to fit in the current discussion.

My favourite theory (pure speculation) is that totems aren't affected by global threat wipes and thus have quite a head start.

This theory might be wrong, but it explains my experiences with Searing Totems against Noth, Hydross, Leotheras etc.

Excluding such threat wipes, I don't think it's possible for totems to pull aggro from tanked mobs under realistic circumstances.

Naginda · 02/07/08, 4:58 AM

Well if that theory is right should it not also count for other totems as well ? I have never seen other totems than searing pain totem pull agro on Hydross and I seldom change their side in time. Do you think it only counts for agressive totems ?

Beta · 02/07/08, 7:16 AM

Totems doesnt pull aggro over shield slam or any other ability when warrior time it correctly. Most times they do abilites before new phase has started and then blame totems. The best example for this Illidan P3/4 shift where some do threat while it still is forming a shape (boss going to warlock = warrior fail or miss).

Hodor · 02/07/08, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Iku

Quite a few times, I had Searing Totems pull aggro during phase transitions with aggro wipe, even against successful Shield Slam hits.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but it seems to fit in the current discussion.

My favourite theory (pure speculation) is that totems aren't affected by global threat wipes and thus have quite a head start.

This theory might be wrong, but it explains my experiences with Searing Totems against Noth, Hydross, Leotheras etc.

Excluding such threat wipes, I don't think it's possible for totems to pull aggro from tanked mobs under realistic circumstances.

Yes, totems are excluded from aggro wipes.

We used this for Leotheras. Always make sure to have a Searing totem up and he will return to the tank spot after every whirlwind to kill the totem. Makes the fight a lot easier.

Iku · 02/07/08, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Naginda

Well if that theory is right should it not also count for other totems as well ? I have never seen other totems than searing pain totem pull agro on Hydross and I seldom change their side in time. Do you think it only counts for agressive totems ?

I think it counts for all totems, but the amount of threat buff totems generate is less than a HoT, DoT or something else ticking.

We also initially thought it was a timing issue, but that wouldn't explain Hydross phase change to "water", Hydross targetting the Searing Totem, then a Shield Slam + Heroic Strike hits and still the totem has aggro.

Trolling · 02/07/08, 12:19 PM

I just spam chain heal until mobs hps reach 0.

vorda · 02/07/08, 1:40 PM

Originally Posted by Trolling

I just spam chain heal until mobs hps reach 0.

You honor your nickname.

Vistol · 02/07/08, 2:00 PM

Just curious about Searing totem, on an aggro-reset is it pulling arggo after fires and only after it hits, pulling after it fires, pulling while it is casting, or can it pull aggro while doing nothing to the mob that dumped arggo (ie having a Lurker add up and targeting it, when Lurker jumps back up)?

Elmariache · 02/07/08, 5:19 PM

Just wanted to say great work on the guide. It has helped me become a better healer and has taught me a lot about how to gear myself more effectively.

I was reading some posts a few pages back regarding mods that track incoming heals and while Grid does indicate someone is healing a specific target with a little green box, the RDX (Raid Data Exchange) mod can show you who is healing the target, what spell/rank they are using, how much the spell will heal for (approx.) and even when they casted their heal/when the heal is going to land.

For these features to be effective, all of the healers need to be using the mod, just like grid, but being able to see when someone else's heal is going to land in relation to yours can really cut your OH by a significant amount. The mod by itself still provides a powerful raid healing frame supporting single click heals. Also, you can see if enough heals are being juggled on your MT at times when you know they are going to take a lot of spike damage because the mod shows the expected value of all those heals that are being cast on him.

Hodor · 02/07/08, 5:37 PM

It does not lose aggro during an aggro wipe.

In other words: If it has been shooting for one minute and done 2k damage, it has 2k threat and keeps that amount.

It is very simple: An aggro wipe does not affect totems. It has as much aggro before the aggro reset as after.

Reiyudo · 02/08/08, 11:13 AM

Last night I picked up my second piece of T5 and was wondering where I should stat wise for T5 content. Currently My guild is working on Phase II of Vaj. With 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC complete. After I gemed and enchanted my new Leggins I am sitting at 1995 Healing and 143 Mp5. Do I need all this healing? Should I regem for More Mp5? Am I fine where I am at?