How to Heal like a Pro - Page 34

Grimfury · 02/08/08, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Iku

Quite a few times, I had Searing Totems pull aggro during phase transitions with aggro wipe, even against successful Shield Slam hits.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed before, but it seems to fit in the current discussion.

My favourite theory (pure speculation) is that totems aren't affected by global threat wipes and thus have quite a head start.

This theory might be wrong, but it explains my experiences with Searing Totems against Noth, Hydross, Leotheras etc.

Excluding such threat wipes, I don't think it's possible for totems to pull aggro from tanked mobs under realistic circumstances.

I have dealt with this pnenomenon before, especially on Hydross. I now recall my totems a couple seconds before transition just to make sure. I have the same assumption as you about the head start theory as it also seems to gain some credence from the Leotheras encounter. There have been other circumstances where my searing totem has pulled aggro but never when the mob is being directly tanked. It is kind of like the mechanism with dot's. It's just imperative that you recall your Searing Totem before the threat wipe as aggro is very touchy for those few short seconds.

Habanero · 02/08/08, 5:15 PM

Originally Posted by Reiyudo

Last night I picked up my second piece of T5 and was wondering where I should stat wise for T5 content. Currently My guild is working on Phase II of Vaj. With 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC complete. After I gemed and enchanted my new Leggins I am sitting at 1995 Healing and 143 Mp5. Do I need all this healing? Should I regem for More Mp5? Am I fine where I am at?

That's fine. I personally feel that having +2000 healing is a sign you should be hunting down spell haste gear.

Windigo · 02/11/08, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Habanero

That's fine. I personally feel that having +2000 healing is a sign you should be hunting down spell haste gear.

Along these lines, that's kind of the path I'm seeking right now. Being, basically, the only raiding resto shaman we have (we have another resto who can't raid a lot, and one enhancement), my biggest issue is purely HPS and not HPM on Chain Heal friendly fights. We have 2-3 CoH priests which help out a good bit, but I'm starting to piece together a haste set (ZA cloak, chest, mace, shoulders, etc.). Having the [Hex Lord's Voodoo Pauldrons], my current dilemma is if I should spend the gold picking up two hearts of darkness (we're fairly new in MH/BT, so we're still crafting SR with our hearts) for the [Living Earth Shoulders]. Seems like an expensive upgrade for 7 haste and 20 healing, but assuming a shadow priest, the mp5 on the Voodoo Pauldrons is mostly worthless.

I never thought I'd hate having so many choices.

Daidalos · 02/11/08, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Kungfoo

Along these lines, that's kind of the path I'm seeking right now. Being, basically, the only raiding resto shaman we have (we have another resto who can't raid a lot, and one enhancement), my biggest issue is purely HPS and not HPM on Chain Heal friendly fights. We have 2-3 CoH priests which help out a good bit, but I'm starting to piece together a haste set (ZA cloak, chest, mace, shoulders, etc.). Having the [Hex Lord's Voodoo Pauldrons], my current dilemma is if I should spend the gold picking up two hearts of darkness (we're fairly new in MH/BT, so we're still crafting SR with our hearts) for the [Living Earth Shoulders]. Seems like an expensive upgrade for 7 haste and 20 healing, but assuming a shadow priest, the mp5 on the Voodoo Pauldrons is mostly worthless.

I never thought I'd hate having so many choices.

Just starting BT I think you'd want to save those hearts for shadow resist gear. 20 more healing won't likely make a huge impact. if you already have all your shadow resist made and you don't have t6 shoulders (don't plan on using it for your 4pc) then go ahead

Skyhoof · 02/11/08, 10:27 AM

I would advise not to craft the shoulders (unless you already bought all your alts their epic mounts and don't know what to do with all your money). It's not a significant upgrade and it looks like there is plenty of haste available in Sunwell.

Skyhoof · 02/11/08, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Reiyudo

Last night I picked up my second piece of T5 and was wondering where I should stat wise for T5 content. Currently My guild is working on Phase II of Vaj. With 3/4 TK & 5/6 SSC complete. After I gemed and enchanted my new Leggins I am sitting at 1995 Healing and 143 Mp5. Do I need all this healing? Should I regem for More Mp5? Am I fine where I am at?

I see this question a lot. Although there is never an easy answer, I came up with some ranges.

All values are unbuffed. Arcane Intellect (+41 Int), Mark of the Wild (+41 Int) and Blessings of Kings (+110% Intellect) can easily increase your mana pool by 2000.

In your particular case, you are at the low end of mp5. However, Skyhoof runs around BT and Hyjal with 150 mp5 while casting. And I don't bother to flask for most fights (or even use a mana pot). However, I'm a firm believer that +healing gives you more flexibility than mp5.

Pre-Kara
Health 5000-6000
Mana: 7000-8000
Mp5 while casting: 115-145
Healing: 1200-1500

Tier 4
Health: 7000-7800
Mana: 8500-9600
Mp5 while casting: 125-150
Healing: 1750-2000

Tier 5
Health: 7500-8200
Mana: 9000-10,000
Mp5: 150-200
Healing: 1900-2100

Tier 6
Health: 8500-8700
Mana: 9500-10,500
Mp5: 150-300
Healing: 2000-2300
Haste: 0-200

Iod · 02/11/08, 11:54 AM

Thanks for that Skyhoof, that's precisely the sort of rough guidlines I've been searching for. When you say 'unbuffed', are you counting Watershield as a 'buff'?

vorda · 02/11/08, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Iod

Thanks for that Skyhoof, that's precisely the sort of rough guidlines I've been searching for. When you say 'unbuffed', are you counting Watershield as a 'buff'?

Values are without Water Shield mp5. Purely unbuffed.

Windigo · 02/11/08, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Daidalos

Just starting BT I think you'd want to save those hearts for shadow resist gear. 20 more healing won't likely make a huge impact. if you already have all your shadow resist made and you don't have t6 shoulders (don't plan on using it for your 4pc) then go ahead

I have my set crafted, but I was talking about buying the hearts from other guilds on the server who have BT on farm. Regardless, I think I've talked myself out of it anyways.

Bencze · 02/12/08, 6:04 AM

Hi All,

Just read this guide earlier, and it still contains stuff I do differently, or just generally, interesting facts (in healing business with my shaman since 2 months of raiding, got Hyjal attuned last night).

For gear upgrades I always used Skyhoof's guide (official forums) but I figured I'll take a look at Binkenstein's excel file (although excessive theorycrafting makes my brain overflow at times)

This might not be the right place to ask the question but still, there's something I couldn't figure out so far. FAQ states, as first step, "1) Select for HEP/DEP (Stats)" and I just don't see any drop-down or anything for that. have selected my gear and spec, sorted stuff by HEP but at upgrade page I'm still getting DEP upgrades for my slots. Now I'm probably blind or stupid or both, but really, after spending 20 minutes looking at the first page of the excel I gave up. Anyone feeling generous to give me a hint, please?

Thanks.

Fodla · 02/12/08, 6:04 AM

*New haste 'cap'.
With the 2.4 changes reducing cast times to 1s.
To reduce Chain Heal and Healing wave to 1second without Heroism/Bloodlust you will need ~2345 haste rating and
~1440 with Heroism/Bloodlust.

Daidalos · 02/12/08, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Fodla

*New haste 'cap'.
With the 2.4 changes reducing cast times to 1s.
To reduce Chain Heal and Healing wave to 1second without Heroism/Bloodlust you will need ~2345 haste rating and
~1440 with Heroism/Bloodlust.

Those numbers seem right. Also LHW hits it cap about 790haste. Since I doubt people will even have half this much its not really something to worry about though.

EDit: fixed haste rating due to error in calculation

Fodla · 02/12/08, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Daidalos

Those numbers seem right. Also LHW hits it cap about 1560haste. Since I doubt people will even have half this much its not really something to worry about though.

LHW will hit 1s at 790 haste rating without h/bl. However, from the current gear selections (not including non-mail) a maximum with the scarab proc is 692 haste rating
This gives:
W/O H/BL
LHW - 1.04s
HW/CH - 1.74

W H/BL
LHW - 0.8s
CH/HW - 1.34s

Which is pretty sweet.

Alternatively, going for approx 235 haste rating from gear alone will see LHW at 1s with h/bl, 1.31 without, CH and HW hit 1.67s with h/bl and 2.18 without. Add a scarab proc and these go down to 1.11/1.85 for LHW/CH and 0.85/1.42 LHW/CH

Daidalos · 02/12/08, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Fodla

LHW will hit 1s at 790 haste rating without h/bl. However, from the current gear selections (not including non-mail) a maximum with the scarab proc is 692 haste rating
This gives:
W/O H/BL
LHW - 1.04s
HW/CH - 1.74

W H/BL
LHW - 0.8s
CH/HW - 1.34s

Which is pretty sweet.

Alternatively, going for approx 235 haste rating from gear alone will see LHW at 1s with h/bl, 1.31 without, CH and HW hit 1.67s with h/bl and 2.18 without. Add a scarab proc and these go down to 1.11/1.85 for LHW/CH and 0.85/1.42 LHW/CH

Oops yes you are right. I accidently used a base value of 2s for LHW for that haste rating. No more pre-coffee posting for me.

Skyhoof · 02/12/08, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bencze

Hi All,

Just read this guide earlier, and it still contains stuff I do differently, or just generally, interesting facts (in healing business with my shaman since 2 months of raiding, got Hyjal attuned last night).

For gear upgrades I always used Skyhoof's guide (official forums) but I figured I'll take a look at Binkenstein's excel file (although excessive theorycrafting makes my brain overflow at times)

This might not be the right place to ask the question but still, there's something I couldn't figure out so far. FAQ states, as first step, "1) Select for HEP/DEP (Stats)" and I just don't see any drop-down or anything for that. have selected my gear and spec, sorted stuff by HEP but at upgrade page I'm still getting DEP upgrades for my slots. Now I'm probably blind or stupid or both, but really, after spending 20 minutes looking at the first page of the excel I gave up. Anyone feeling generous to give me a hint, please?

Thanks.

The "Upgrades" tab is a static page on which you manually select your upgrades. It won't automatically update. I believe Binkenstein intended it as a quick reference guide so you could see all your upgrades at a glance. So if the other pages are sorting by HEP (Helm, neck, etc) then you are using the spreadsheet correctly.

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Which four pieces of Tier 6 do you plan on wearing once eight pieces become available? The bracers, boots and belt seem to be the strongest pieces, along with either the helm or shoulders. There are much better non-set pieces of legs, chest and gloves.

The addition of such strong bracers, boots and belts may make it less desirable to wear T2. The best pieces of T2 had been the belt, bracers and boots. However, we now have some very strong gear for these slots. Also, haste could become more more beneficial in Patch 2.4 to healers. It might make wearing T2 provide only a marginal boost to chain healing. I'll try to do some theorycrafting based on the Sunwell gear and post the results.

Also, in case anyone was curious, the healing co-efficient for Earth Shield did not change on the PTR when the charges were reduced. It remains 30% per charge.