How to Heal like a Pro - Page 46

Bury · 04/28/08, 8:17 PM

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Instinct · 04/29/08, 2:01 PM

Originally Posted by Raputo

For once, I believe the tooltip is accurate. This is damage only, not healing.

Just go buy some from the AH for 8-9 gold. Your healing increases 42.

Skyhoof · 04/29/08, 2:36 PM

Originally Posted by Instinct

Just go buy some from the AH for 8-9 gold. Your healing increases 42.

He was referring to [Flask of Supreme Power], not the oil.

TheSorcerer · 04/30/08, 4:56 AM

Originally Posted by Skyhoof

I can keep an update list at the beginning of this thread for any changes made in the Resto shaman wiki.

Shouldn't the wiki provide some kind of RSS feed on its changes? At least there propably is an addon for this.

PS: I just recognized the Think Tank actually isn't a regular wiki but part of the forum. You could try using the subscription feature found in "Article Tools", but I actually do not know if editing a post will trigger the messages.

Youkaïdi · 04/30/08, 5:11 AM

I got a question..

I saw many times that the talent Nature's Guardian is recommended.
Does someone know how much threat it's reduce?

Personally I prefer Healing Grace which bring up to me a constant threat reduce.

Sorry for my bad English

Touf · 04/30/08, 5:41 AM

You don't take it for threat reduction, you take it so you don't die. This is very valuable is Sunwell.

Daidalos · 04/30/08, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Touf

You don't take it for threat reduction, you take it so you don't die. This is very valuable is Sunwell.

That being said, I've always wondered how much it reduced threat when it procced.

Skyhoof · 04/30/08, 1:32 PM

The Wow combat log now indicates who casts an Earth Shield. However, the healing done is still attributed to the person on whom the Earth Shield was cast (no change in actual game mechanics). For example, the combat log shows me casting ES on Belegurth. The log then shows Belegurth healing himself with the Earth Shield.

Recount now attributes the healing done to the healer. However, I have not seen the same change with WWS. WWS still shows Belegurth healing with Earth Shield.

4/27 19:54:54.046 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x00000000004FB65C,"Skyhoof",0x511,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth", 0x514,32594,"Earth Shield",0x8

4/27 19:55:31.859 SPELL_HEAL,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514, 379,"Earth Shield",0x8,1016,nil

4/27 19:55:35.968 SPELL_HEAL,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514, 379,"Earth Shield",0x8,1016,nil

jaredh · 04/30/08, 2:02 PM

Originally Posted by Skyhoof

The Wow combat log now indicates who casts an Earth Shield. However, the healing done is still attributed to the person on whom the Earth Shield was cast (no change in actual game mechanics). For example, the combat log shows me casting ES on Belegurth. The log then shows Belegurth healing himself with the Earth Shield.

Recount now attributes the healing done to the healer. However, I have not seen the same change with WWS. WWS still shows Belegurth healing with Earth Shield.

4/27 19:54:54.046 SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x00000000004FB65C,"Skyhoof",0x511,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth", 0x514,32594,"Earth Shield",0x8

4/27 19:55:31.859 SPELL_HEAL,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514, 379,"Earth Shield",0x8,1016,nil

4/27 19:55:35.968 SPELL_HEAL,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514,0x000000000182AA72,"Belegurth",0x514, 379,"Earth Shield",0x8,1016,nil

Same here. Recount is what I was referencing when I suggested it has changed. WWS does not pick it up right though.

So we have an ability to count it towards the healer who cast it, while the threat goes to the person it's on.

That's a big win-win for the combat log changes.

I wonder if Prayer of Mending has the same changes for the priests who moan about it so much.

Daidalos · 04/30/08, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by Skyhoof

The Wow combat log now indicates who casts an Earth Shield. However, the healing done is still attributed to the person on whom the Earth Shield was cast (no change in actual game mechanics). For example, the combat log shows me casting ES on Belegurth. The log then shows Belegurth healing himself with the Earth Shield.

Recount now attributes the healing done to the healer. However, I have not seen the same change with WWS. WWS still shows Belegurth healing with Earth Shield.

I can't access wws from work but have you looked at the beta reporting engine? At the top of the wws report there is a sentence that says somthing about continued work on updating blah blah. The perioid at the end of the sentence is actually a link . Clicking on that link will show you the report with the new parsing engine thats being worked on. I didn't check if earth shield was listed but my healing stream totem was and I know things like searing totem etc are counted towards dps of the person who dropped it.

frozndevl · 04/30/08, 3:21 PM

I just took a look at a WWS, the beta engine, and ES is still credited to the person with the shield, not the healer.

Instinct · 05/01/08, 2:33 PM

Originally Posted by Daidalos

That being said, I've always wondered how much it reduced threat when it procced.

I can't provide numbers since I don't really run meters. But this really shines in ZA, MH, PVP and Sunwelle. It saved my life many times. My raid group doesn't have these places on major farm status where you can clear with your eyes close yet, so I find it handy to have.

Situations like:

MH trash pulls where they just get sort of crazy and stuff is running around and you pull agro with lots of heals. It procs a few times and bam its off you. Of course this is avoidable if the pull is executed correctly, but can't always hope it will 100%.

Lynx fight in ZA where the spirit wolf spawns, it seems to always run to me, chew me then back off when it procs. Pretty nice.

If you ever do a little arena or PVP on side, try to have a rogue or warrior kill you. It's sort of funny watching them just let loose and you sit there doing nothing getting healed from the talent. I actually dueled a crappy paladin once, and just kept ES up and melee'd him with my mace. It was a long fight but won with talent procs and ES.

In conclusion, I would get it. Hands down. It's just one of those talents you always say, man I'm glad I picked that up.

thorin5 · 05/01/08, 2:40 PM

Nature's Guardian has saved me multiple times on Felmyst in air phases. Sometimes a skeleton or two will come say hi to me, NG will proc and they'll go after someone else, also the heal has kept me alive a few times from Encapsulate. I really can't see any reason not to invest in it.

rava · 05/01/08, 6:51 PM

Kind of a longwindedhaven'tbeenactiveonejsincerisenwentboomandiswitchedtoresto post, so here it goes!

I've been messing around with weapon swapping a fair bit, and with the new s4 retard haste weapon it got me and my buddy talking. From all of the testing I've done haste is calculated at the start of a cast whereas healing is calculated upon completion(starting in full gear, swapping to naked, cast time stays the same whereas healing decreases and vice versa), which would allow for your "main" weapon to be s4 with your "secondary" as whatever else. The only haste weapon i have at the moment is the ZA one(I think it's the only available?) and I've basically run out of macro lines to pull off the switches effectively. Here's what I'm working with for testing:

/cast healing wave
/script if ( not CursorHasItem() ) then PickupContainerItem(1, 1); PickupInventoryItem(16); PickupContainerItem(1, 1); end
/in 2.22 /script if ( not CursorHasItem() ) then PickupContainerItem(1, 1); PickupInventoryItem(16); PickupContai

My haste brings the cast time down to 2.21 so I figure 2.22 would be best for reequiping the haste weapon, might need to work with it a little to account for latency and such, this is just preliminary stuff. The macro cuts off at the bolded part however which means it needs to delve into the mod realm and I am entirely too terrible at coding to pull it off. Obviously a lot more has to go into it, and it may not really be worth it for the ZA weapon, but the extra attentiveness(not really sure how well this would work with spell queue) rather than mindlessly mashing chain is entirely worth an extra 15% haste. If anyone's feeling saucy enough to take it on I'd be happy to help in any way, I have limited coding knowledge and I've helped beta a bunch of Kameril's mods.

rava · 05/01/08, 7:13 PM

Meh, don't need a mod. Cut down useless text and have something like:

/cast healing wave
/equip crystal spire of karabor
/in 2.2 /script if ( not CursorHasItem() ) then PickupContainerItem(1, 1); PickupInventoryItem(16); PickupContainerItem(1, 1); end

(for some reason it thinks equip is secure so you have to use a script)

Only problem atm is not being able to queue, going to try and work in stopcasting.

• Shifft · 05/02/08, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by rava

Meh, don't need a mod. Cut down useless text and have something like:

/cast healing wave
/equip crystal spire of karabor
/in 2.2 /script if ( not CursorHasItem() ) then PickupContainerItem(1, 1); PickupInventoryItem(16); PickupContainerItem(1, 1); end

(for some reason it thinks equip is secure so you have to use a script)

Only problem atm is not being able to queue, going to try and work in stopcasting.

Doesn't swapping a weapon in combat GCD you, and if so, won't you take far longer than the cast time of a chain heal or healing wave to swap twice?

rava · 05/02/08, 2:49 AM

Originally Posted by Shifft

Doesn't swapping a weapon in combat GCD you, and if so, won't you take far longer than the cast time of a chain heal or healing wave to swap twice?

Heh, I had thought that myself when I was messing around with it but it wasn't triggering the GCD, combat would definitely be the determining factor there as I was doing it in Ironforge. Aside from me being fat and stupid there's no way to queue it up period, only stopmacro command there is is for channeling, and casting !=. Even if there was some magical way to avoid the gcd it'd probably end up inferior without a way to queue.

Coztomba · 05/02/08, 5:56 AM

Sure that will work when you have the haste weapon equiped to begin with. Then after 1 heal you're left with your +heal weap on and have to use a gcd to equip the haste one again...

frozndevl · 05/02/08, 12:20 PM

Doesn't equipping a weapon just reset the swing timer and not the GCD?

Skyhoof · 05/02/08, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by frozndevl

Doesn't equipping a weapon just reset the swing timer and not the GCD?

No, it will trigger the GCD in combat.

fauxpas · 05/02/08, 4:48 PM

I don't know it this has been mentioned before, but I found one part in the Think Tank strange:

[Mystical Skyfire Diamond]
[...]
If you're lucky, you get off one super fast heal. However, the proc can also be wasted if it occurs at the end of the fight or when no one needs healing. The proc from Insightful Earthstorm (extra mana) will not go to waste as long as you are below 100% mana.

The proc from Insightful Earthstorm Diamond can easily be wasted. If you end a fight with 1000 Mana and you had 3 Insightful procs then the meta was wasted. If it procs at the end of a fight it might be wasted as well.

As is said in the beginning of the article:

Mp5 gives you no such choice. While it can be helpful in some fights, it is wasted in others or when grouped with a shadow priest. Having +healing is never wasted.

Similarly, the Mystical Skyfire Diamond proc is rarely wasted. It still might not be the best choice (especially due to the stupid requirements) but I think that part should be changed.

With that said .. i put the Mystical in my T6 Helmet and so far I like it a lot. With 150mp5 + Water Shield + Memento + Alchemists Stone I don't have mana issues at all so i always welcome additional hps. (Although I have to say we're currently stuck at Kalecgos and Brutallus may make me re-gem some Items)

• Binkenstein · 05/02/08, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by fauxpas

The proc from Insightful Earthstorm Diamond can easily be wasted. If you end a fight with 1000 Mana and you had 3 Insightful procs then the meta was wasted. If it procs at the end of a fight it might be wasted as well.

Only if nobody died during the fight.

Quag's eye works in a similar method, and even though the math behind it says it's a great trinket, I'm still preferring to use Crusade/TLC over it because I could easily waste the 6 second haste proc which makes it so useful. The chance of wasting the MSD proc is a lot higher than wasting the IED proc, purely because it doesn't require you do be doing things in a very short window.

If you're that worried about extra mana being a "waste" then use Bracing Earthstorm rather than MSD.

fauxpas · 05/02/08, 7:11 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

Only if nobody died during the fight.

How is that?

Having more mana does not increase your HPS unless you actually cast more or use higher ranks.

Currently I value bursthealing over manaefficiency even when it's not controllable. It may sometimes be wasted but when I get to use it it's helping a lot. Maybe that's just because i'm pretty much overgeared for BT (2450 +heal, 150mp5 unbuffed + alchemists stone + memento) so that my constant healing is enough to handle any normal situation but my meta allows better handling of the "oh sh!t" moments when it procs at the right time.

I never think 'oh man, if only i had more mana' or 'damn, my heals don't heal enough' .. it's all just 'if only my heal would have arrived 0.1 seconds earlier'

• Binkenstein · 05/02/08, 8:10 PM

Then I'd remove some of the many many red gems you have, and use some quick lionseyes or forceful seaspray emeralds.

Aejin · 05/03/08, 12:49 AM

Maybe we should testing using the new S4 Mace "Brutal Gladiator's Swift Judgement"

Stats are:
Main Hand
Mace
Classes: Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Druid
38 Stamina
25 Intellect
Improves your Resilience rating by 21
Improves your spell haste rating by 227

using this with a Spellhaste Socket Shield make Spellhaste push about 15% then switching to +Heal Mace in Castime.
Awesome if this works.

Well can´t await S4 then. Only one hard thing is ... you need personal rating of 2050 to get this baby.