kraj

So the mmo and other notes were wrong. Tier 2 three piece was nerfed to 5%

 

Pwny

botanist gloves of growth nerfed from 34 stam/29 int to 22 stam/21 int. The other stats remain the same...guess they are just bringing these op gloves into line with other BT loot =/. Still good though, just losing alot of stats now vs sun-drenched.

 

Ninarz

Thanks for your replies Daid, Bung, Mand and Hab. Since my need for haste is very situational at this point (like BB CH spam), I'm going to work on a few more pieces from ZA and hopefully a few shammy haste pieces will drop for me in BT in the meantime.

 

jaredh

There are no sun-drenched gloves in BT (they are Sunwell)...there are some sun-touched legs, though.

That is a significant nerf to the Botanist's gloves...it would make them considerably weaker than the Spiritwalker Gauntlets from Akama (38sta, 27int, only difference from Botanists being no sockets, which makes them highly inferior). A far better balancing solution would be to add the missing sockets to these mail ones....

What is your source?

 

Fola

Botanist gloves dropped last night I can confirm they are changed to the 22/21 stats provided above, everything else remains the same.

 

Lugklash

How does [Battlemaster's Alacrity] measure up beside trinkets such as [Scarab of the Infinite Cycle] and [Essence of the Martyr] for shamans in BT/Sunwell? I've seen several high-end shamans equip it along with Memento, and it isn't mentioned in the wiki (Perseverance is, however). Just curious, as I am last in line for Memento and am looking for a good raiding trinket to last me till then.

 

Mishael

I recently purchased that trinket for PvP, and have found a use for it in PvE, in twins where fast heals after the odd shadowfury are key. Additionally on this fight when I am in the tank group (for WF/BL) and do not have an spriest I need all the regen possible, so my HS CD gets used by dark runes, the use on this trinket has kept me alive a couple of times.

For most fights (pretty much any where you do not anticipate needing the on use) I think Scarab is a superior trinket.

Math wise:

Scarab = 70 HEP base plus 85 from the proc (if my math is right) ((6/45)*320)*2
Battlemasters = 80 HEP plus use which is only useful in fights where you need it. Poping it when low after a shadow nova has been the only consistent use I have found for it in PvE.

 

Habanero

It highly depends on how well you are able to use the On Use: of [Essence of the Martyr], in my opinion. I personally find that I'm able to use it effectively on every non-trivial T5 and T6 fight I've done so far, so I am going to stay away from the [Battlemaster's Alacrity] until I have another 200ish +healing. So essentially it would be something I would only revisit after getting some Sunwell T6 pieces. JMO

 

Daidalos

Yeah now its not remotely worth considering now. Of course they do this after I spend several days running different gear combos with 3pct2 and adding all of it into my spreadsheet. Hmpf! I was running BWL on weekends trying to get the good pcs for 3pct2. 3pct2 and alot of haste on some fights the effective hps was just amazing. Well back to the standard 4pct6 and offset sunwell for everyone I guess.

I personally feel Scarab is one of the top healing trinkets and at times I'm tempted to swap out my memento for it. I personally don't feel Alacrity is that strong for hps but if you simply want to land more heals faster I think its worth considering. For twins and mu'ru i can see just stacking haste even at the cost of hps. I've debated picking it up but I've stuck with Redeemer and Memento for now and if I didn't have those I'd most likely use scarab and martyr.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Lugklash

On trash, I find myself using it every pull or every other pull (depending on how fast we're clearing), but when it comes to boss fights I tend to equip the scarab or [Fathom-Brooch of the Tidewalker] if I'm not in a shadow priest group, just for less distraction.

@ Mishael, thanks for the numbers comparison. It looks like Alacrity is more of a late sunwell thing, for extreme haste stacking and/or situations where the Use ability is, well, useful. [Shifting Naaru Sliver] seems like a wonderful hybrid of Alacrity and Essence, though I'm willing to bet that healers aren't going to get them before the caster dps.

 

Pwny

Sorry for the confusion I meant these gloves as sun-drenched [Sun-Drenched Scale Gloves].

 

Eury

I think [Eye of Gruul] is underrated considering how well it scales with CH + haste.
If CH hits all 3 targets the proc chance is 6% and with enough haste to bring CH down to 2 second (extremely easy with Sunwell gear) you are looking at 30 casts a minute with CH spam.

A scenario with above mention haste where you spam max rank CH's (later encounters in Sunwell comes to mind) you are looking for 67.5 mp5 from the proc ((0.06*30*450)/12). That together with the passive 44 +healing bonus makes it a very attractive trinket in a heavy raid damage encounter if you are having mana issues.

Obviously if you don't spam heal or if you down rank, the trinket loses quickly in value.

 

Shinwei

The [Eye of Gruul] is an extremely unpredictable trinket and you will very rarely see your optimal mp5 output - even if you are spam-chaining. I've used the trinket for months on the Illidari Council fight where I am spamming Chain Heal on the Gathios tank 100% of the time, stopping only to get out of a blizzard or some other AOE. The proc rate on the trinket ranged from 3 procs in a 9 minute fight to 16 procs in a 10 minute fight. Most of the time it came out to be closer on the 3-proc side. I've only gotten 16 procs once, and the 2nd highest proc rate was 9 procs.

 

Eury

I have had the trinket for over a year and used it in tier 4 and tier 5 content a lot. It wasn't very useful (15 mp5 at most), because there exist no encounter pre sunwell were you spam max rank CH for the whole time.
However in late Sunwell you can and almost have to spam max rank CH at all times and CH will jump 3 times on pretty much every cast. Ch spam on the Gathios tank means that most of the CHs doesn't jump at all thus the proc chance is only 2%.

 

Mandrachalos

Well, Gurtogg and RoS qualify for that though.
On RoS you shouldnt run into mana problems though. But if you are assigned on Bloodboil group healing and you got no SP in your group, this is a great trinket.

 

Eury

Well regarding Gurtogg I guess it depends on your healing assignment. I always assign resto druids and CoH priests for BB as they are just much more efficient on that than us while like most guilds we use 3 tanks on Gurtogg. That together with the debuffs on tanks makes it perfect for CH.
RoS is like you said just a too short fight for mana to become an issue.

[Eye of Gruul] really don't start to shine before you reach Twins in Sunwell.

 

Teenee

[Spiritwalker Gauntlets] dropped for me tonight, and as the only resto shaman around, it's more or less defaulted to me. Now I'm wondering what other shamans think of this item. I'm trying to build some nice haste gear, and that's mostly why I went for this. But either it's pretty underbudget, missing 2 gem sockets, compared to the leather version, or the [Botanist's Gloves of Growth] are overbudget (or somewhere inbetween anyway).

I'm currently using the ZA badge gloves, [Polished Waterscale Gloves], and while I'm fairly sure these are at least as good, I'm thinking they're still not really worth the DKP.

What's others view on these?

 

Eury

As you said [Botanist's Gloves of Growth] is a much better pair. In fact they are the best gloves in the game (arguably now after 2.4.2) as long as you don't need more survivability, so try to get Teron gloves ASAP.
The Akama gloves are much better than the ZA ones though.

 

Mandrachalos

Actually resto druids are inferior to resto shamans on healing blood boil - by far, just too many players having debuff, intelligent chain heal jumps ftw.
It only works if you pair a resto druid with a holy priest who spams CoH like crazy - who needs a SP then, otherwise oom status is fast.
2 resto shaman who know their job is the most effective way to go there imo. Or resto shammy plus CoH priest. Resto druids are more important for tanks imo.
2 resto shammys who got the right gear and the right attitude is the still the best way to go imo, CH is just the most effective group heal if 15 people, standing close together, get damaged pretty much simultaneously and have to be healed by 2 healers (how we do it, which works).
This is starting to be a bit offtopic. In any case IF you put resto shammys on group healing there, this shows how good haste already is - and even becomes better in Sunwell.

 

Mahade

I've been using [Battlemaster's Alacrity] throughout 2 full Black Temple runs now, replacing [Scarab of the Infinite Cycle]. And so far I am not impressed. The proc from the Scarab is of course unreliable, but the healing bonus is worth more than the passive haste (sans healing bonus) from the Alacrity trinket.

I'm going to try and make up for the loss of haste by replacing two +9 healing gems with +10 spellhaste gems in my gear. Then I'll equip the Scarab again and bank the Alacrity trinket for the time being.

Currently at 13% spellhaste and 2121 +healing. No idea about MP5, but since I never run OOM it's not relevant anyway I will lower myself to 11% spellhaste and upgrade (with some gear switching) to ~2250 +healing.

 

Daidalos

In the low 2k range of +healing 40 haste isn't really comparable to 70 healing + additional haste personally I don't really feel the 40 haste is a great trinket even with alot of sunwell gear since there is so much haste on everything already. I really only see the appeal if you need to sacrifice the hps to land heals just to prevent ppl from dieing (which definately has some merit).

Edit: Also I added a column of haste weight in my chain heal section of my healing calcs. Its purely calculated in terms of hps and I can add in similar cols for other heals if people express any desire to see it but I figure if people are concerned about hps it will be for the various ranks of chain heal.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

Skyhoof

I also considered buying this trinket but +40 haste rating with no +healing is fairly weak in most situations. I would rather use the scarab for a trinket with haste and healing.

 

Skyhoof

Has anyone who reads this thread actually gotten this trinket? Can we get confirmation on how the trinket works. Thanks

 

Daidalos

I believe it only affects the caster who uses the trinket now. So no group or raid buff (previously I believe others could step onto the circle and they would get the buff but it would not actually apply so I'm guessing this was a bug). I don't remember where I saw this report but I think it was after 2.4.2 on worldofraids or mmo-champion.

Restoration Shaman calculations:http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...IWv3sPmcYnEJUg

 

rava

It is indeed self only now.

"[Shifting Naaru Sliver] has been fixed and now affects the caster only."

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