Amaxe

Well i was thinking of the fact that the PPM for Mongoose worked out to a 4.5% chance. I did not mean to imply that it was a PPM chance for this talent

But yes I was confused. The Talent Calculator description is ambiguous in how it can be interpreted

if it is a straight 6%, then I would think the faster the weapon, the faster you burn through your charges.

As a side question, has anyone noticed how the Static Shock would affect aggro? I know it was a problem with shields in BC

 

Pitbuller

There is no link between imp. shields and static shock. Let say that other talent give 150dps and other talent give 22.5dps(15% of 150dps). Which one you take? Even ancestral knowledge is better than improved shields.
Improved SS isn't best talent but it's good and there isn't any better options.
I save you for lot of problems. This is spec that give best dps via simulator.

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Fuulish

For grins and giggles, I'm testing out MW on the PTR with less than 5/5 into the talent... and for some reason, I'm not seeing any MW procs at all with 1 or 2 pts into the talent. Anyone else getting this? I'll update this once I've run the log a bit longer (going for a minimum of 10 minutes per parse).

Update: Okay after spending half an hour on this, 1/5, 2/5 and 3/5 into the MW talent yields zero procs. Once I put in another talent point and got to 4/5, I immediately started seeing MW procs.... Does this seem like a bug? Or is it like a "downranking" type of nerf? Anyways, gonna let the 4/5 run for a bit and see what the PPM is.

 

gojant

The threat mechanic for tanking classes will be greatly different than in BC.

And how have you ever pulled agro from a shield? I can see a quick chain of crits or some big WF numbers, but from Lightning shield?

 

Janraea

I think he means from things like the Baron's damage aura, or that beholder in crypts - if you run into an offensive aura, it procs LS, pulling the mob that owns the aura. Or did a year or so ago, I took LS off my bar when I hit 62.

 

Malan

I'm really getting the impression that you should read up on these abilities. This is pretty basic stuff.

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Rouncer

I like this one better for solo stuff and it is what I will be leveling into. http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?sham...30331131231051

Fire Nova stuns again which will be useful when combined with a Stoneclaw totem for pulling multiple mobs and I don't think I could live without Imp GW at this point to say nothing of what the increased mvt speed means while grinding (and summoning the doggies and popping Spirit Walk in Ghost Wolf and running as fast then an epic mount is....epic, dying to try stacking all of them with the boots in a BG).

I'm showing Unleashed Rage as being worth about 15dps per point so really not much of a sacrifice to make when solo.

 

Tyus

Are they re-implmenting the 15% GW speed on PvP boots at 80? I'm under the impression that they don't work past level 60.

 

Rouncer

No, I meant the "boots" buff that gives you increased run speed in the BGs. Currently stacks with GW so should stack with all of them which should mean 160% run speed for 10? seconds or so.

 

Fuulish

Adding some 4/5 proc data. Can do more if needed.

 

Mman

I am pretty sure they changed the talent to give Fire Nova the ability to reduce movement for 2 seconds instead of the stun. Kind of sad because I planned on picking up the talent for leveling as well, and now isn't nearly as enticing.

 

Rouncer

Posted yesterday

WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Upcoming Shaman Changes

 

iconocclast

this is as of 10/07

 

Mman

Well, that is good. It is really hard to keep track of talents when they are constantly changing then reverting them back.

 

Toots Hepcat

Looks like 2 PPM per talent point was intended.

Sounds about right -- means they expected us to have around 2 stacks a minute. By hasting it with dual weapons, I imagine it's closer to 6.

 

Fuulish

Are you saying that you were getting MW procs at 1,2 and 3 talent points? Not trying to be confrontational or anything, I'm just really curious as to what I may have been doing wrong that gave me absolutely no procs for 30 minutes.

 

Toots Hepcat

Oh, I'm not in the beta or the PTR; I get jack-all.

I'm merely pointing out that if the 4 stack numbers look around 8 PPM with no haste, and the 5 stack numbers look around 10 PPM with no haste, the goal was most probably 2 PPM per point.

 

Skreekins

Pitbuller, that build has two points in Call of Flame. Was this build created after the change that we can no longer use Lava Burst with Maelstrom Weapon? If so, are you assuming cold casts of Lava Burst (like Slam) on cooldown? Are you assuming Searing Totem is down?

I only ask because if we are not going to cold cast Lava Burst and we are using Flametongue Totem (Flametongue v. Searing is not a battle that has been decided yet if I am not mistaken) then those two points do almost nothing for us. If this is the case I would greatly prefer to have those points in Elemental Warding for raiding to help soak some AoE spell damage. I've always felt extra squishy compared to other melee in this regard.

 

Rouncer

Very good point, the other option is to stick them into Convection to help with Mana. Didn't even realize how useless those 2 points in Call of Flame are atm.

 

hozzer

I was looking at this log trying to get a rough estimate of the uptime of elemental devastation. Celler was averaging about 8 LB casts per minute. On another note, he also procced Elemental Devastation 29 times over the course of a 3 minute fight. It's difficult to surmise anything from that information alone, but if I had to guess, I'd say that Celler experienced >95% uptime there.

edit:
After reviewing all 6 fights in that parse, it looks like the numbers for Patchwerk are higher than the rest.

 

Skiace

You may want to avoid referring to Static Shock and Stormstrike both as SS in the same post. That could get confusing fast.

 

Pitbuller

Call of flame is still better dps per point than Concussion. Untalented searing totem do 246dps. Dps per point is then 246dps * 0.05 =12.3dps.
With same stats Concussion give 11dps per point.

Both talents are very bad for dps. But still dps. Convection and 2/3 Elemental warding start lookin viable option or alternative.
80dps vs 100mp5 and 7% less elemental damage. Maybe some mixture of those end up winner.

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

ANSeranov

I dropped the points into Convection, as I figured I'd have FT totem down a good 90% of the time.

Mana seems to be the single limiting factor for me, atm. I have only done a few lvl 80 regular instances though, so no raiding experience to speak of.

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Acks

For the moment, I only want to consider level 70 (61 points) as my guild will still be raiding Sunwell until Wrath.

As I see it, after taking the obvious talents, we're left with these 3 talents to make room for 8 points in Elemental tree (5 in convect or concus, and 3 in ED):

Static Shock
UR
Enhancing Totems

How would you compare these 3 talents? Currently, I'm thinking of taking 5/5 UR and ignoring Static Shock and Enhancing Totems until Wrath. (8/53/0). Assuming I have a hunter in my group for 3.0, I will probably ignore UR, and go 3/3 Statick shock and 2/3 Enh totems.

So imp shields doesn't cause Static shock procs to do more damage? How did i miss this?

 

Malan

It says it adds 5%/10%/15% damage per orb right on the tooltip. In fact its the first sentence of the tooltip.

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