Lots and lots of good info here for 3.0.2 on Tuesday. Thanks much, all.

A couple quick addon questions that I haven't been able to find answers for:

Are there any 3.0-compatible damage meters that record Searing Totem and/or the Spirit Wolves correctly?

Are there any bar mods that incorporate a Maelstrom Weapon counter on top of LB? Having SCT warn when MW is fully stacked is nice, but it'd be nice to see the current counter on top of an action bar.

@Amairgin

Recount in his latest version works fine on Beta. Totem/Wolves are recorded and shown seperatly.

ShockAndAwe works nice for me too, allthough the Lava-Lash bar is not working atm. But everything else is fine, you can choose a sound for 5 stacks MW, which is nice.

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It has been mentioned a few times before, so maybe just look up a few pages before asking around.

What EP have you entered for +hit? If your hit rating together with the buffs and debuffs (choosen any?) plus the EP value goes over cap then you get that message. I think the spellhit EP is set pretty high, so try to reduce that to 30 or so and you shouldn't have the problem.

Simple rule (as I posted twice before in this thread):
If you have an owl or a shadowpriest in your raid you will need:
Alliance: 164 hit rating (draenei aura gives 1%)
Horde: 177 hit rating

Do it matter how much you crit you have? Only what matter is dps. You forget that you get elemental devastion with 50% uptime wich give 4.5% crit then. Raid wide Lotp aura/rampage is very nice addition 5% crit too.You also get agility totem 100% uptime now. Best concumables are major agi + draenei wisdom elixirs. So few extra crit from there. When you account all thing your crit will stay almoust same.
Spell hit cap is very low at 70lvl. You can get hit food(20), hit glove enhant(15), helmet enchant(16) and if you really need surefooted five another(10). This leave 177 - 61 = 116 from gear/gems. Very easy to get.

if you are spell hit capped, (which in turn means hit capped), is there a reason to spec into the 6% hit talents? I'm assuming that imp dual wield doesnt stack on top of hit cap? because the 6% hit is for melee only, but if ur spell hit capped then your melee hit capped...?

or am i missing something?

Spell hit capped doesn't mean hit capped, it only means you're above cap for specials specials (wf, ll, ss). You need 28% to hit cap auto attacks.

@Pitbuller

of course only dps matters..I just said that I don´t LIKE +hit :p

Draenei Wisdom is a nice hint, didn´t had that on the screen so far.

I will change my food (Agi), Totems will not change for me and my raid-setup right now.Major agi I already use.
So, we will see how much will change with the new raid buffs, concerning my +crit.

ED uptime 50% at 70 with maybe 20% spellcrit in raid enviroment ? I doubt that and I am not such a big friend of simulations...well, target dummies and a few runs after 3.0 will show where that ends.

I will make a report about DW-Talent wording/working later this day, though I doubt it has much sense on EU-Beta-Forum. +6% hit to everything maybe feels a little over budget for 3 points, but I will place a few suggestions there too. Hopefully some response will clear up if its working as intended or just a bug...hopefully the latter :p

The amount needed for 1% spell hit differs from the amount needed for 1% physical hit. At level 70, 12.6 spell hit rating is equivalent to 1% spell hit.

Then learn to like hit. Hit and crit is almoust equal even after spell hit cap.(1.62 vs 1.71 from sim sunwell config)

Elemental devation uptime have three variable.
(F)requency per 10s.
(C)rit%.
(H)it%

All those variables go up when patch is there.
Let say maelstorm weapons give one bolt per 10s. And you get one shock per 7 second. Low end estimates. So C = 2.42
Raid buffs give almoust 20% spell crit for you(moonkin, imp. scorch and ToW + intellect buffs). So C = 0.4
Hit was big problem with elemental devation before but now its gone. You are spell hit capped so H = 1.
Avarage uptime is then 1 - (1-H*C)^F = 1 - (0.6)^2.42 = 0.71. So you get over 70% uptime with 20% spell crit from gear/talents.

Hmm ok will check out what's not working for Lava Lash thanks for the report, can you say exactly what's not working?

BTW guys I picked the Minimap ping sound as the default for the MW5 alert. Are there other suggestions, as I'd like to add a few default choices, say half a donzen, in case people don't have Shared Media installed to pick up others they have installed.

Also I'd appreciate any feedback on other changes required/desirable. The new version v2.90 got some major revamps over the weekend including the addition of a GCD bar that lots of people wanted, It now auto adjusts due to haste too, accurately reflecting your personal GCD values.

This sounds like a great idea. Is that something that can be built into ShockAndAwe?

Is there setting that give signal when you have only four stack?

@Levva

I just started to play around with it, I originally didn´t use it and want to keep addons as few
as possible.

But your MW-Sound is just great to keep track on that :p
The default sound may be a little...tiny and not loud enough...but well, thats just me, I´m more the fell-nova guy *cough* (I´m above 30, so I need something that makes my boxes explode to realize I have to hit the LB/CL button :p )

I tried a few times to activate/deactivate LavaLash bar, best was the default bar shows up as a static bar, but does nothing while using LL.

Everything else looks fine, helpful little tool so far, customization is good too.

@Pitbuller
ED uptime looks indeed good by your numbers thanks for that. But maybe just don´t tell me what to "learn" and what not, I play that big blue pal for quite a while now and I´m not dumb.

There is already an option to display text on the MW bar. It shows the number of stacks you have. Similarly it shows the number of Orbs you have on your shield.

@Pitbuller, yup I can add an option to give different sound on 4 stacks. Should it still repeat the sound every 4 seconds though?

BTW folks feedback on whether sound every 4 seconds to warn you of 5 MW is often enough or too often. Every 5 seconds just didn't seem right when I tried it, every 2 was just far too frequent. I suppose I could make the duration configurable between 1 second and 10 seconds in steps of 0.1 secs.

Yeah I'm above 40 so know what you mean Whilst it sounds fine in testing mode, in combat its a bit "weak". Hence the request for any of the ingame sounds I could use and add as selections for those that don't have SharedMedia installed. I should have a look around for a Lightning bolt one as that should be louder. The key was trying to find something that alerted you without it being too likely to be just a sound made by a skill of a nearby player. Minimap ping (current default) fitted the bill but as you say a bit quiet.

Suggestions greatly appreciated though., although perhaps best posting them in the Addon's own thread rather than this one.

Re: LavaLash thanks for the feedback I can have a look at this tonight and hopefully get a fix up before the patch.

Power Auras is a great add-on that shows you if buffs are up or not. It is very easy to configure and you can easily set up a warning when you have 4 stacks or 5 stacks rdy. It takes some time to get used to it but it is more then worth it.

I've also tested ShockAndAwe and liked it, but Power Auras gives me a lot more freedom.

A flashing icon might be more "visible" especially during raids, when theres a lot of action going on in-game and on vent.

Would making an option to set the "repeat" interval be possible so everyone could adjust to their likings.

Edit: Any idea if powerauras is ready for 3.0?

It totally depends on your own gear - everyone gets different results from Enhsim at the moment.

EPs depend on your gear. Some get really high values on one stat and others on another stat.

As for a talent build, I intend to do something similar to this one (which seems to be the cookiecutter at 70) 8/53/0.

EDIT: Bleh, beaten to it. Although I did include the talent build! (which however should have been searched for instead of asked for).

I'm aiming for around 157 hit rating from gear & gems, with the rest of my gems going to crit rating, agi or (if I can convince myself to try it) int.

Simple reason: cap is wasted points on less than +3 mobs and I intend to be spending more time with near equal mobs in the coming months. Gems are pricey to change; Spicy Hot Talbuk can put you at spell cap in raids.

I think only 1 point in Imp SS is necessary with no Static Shock. You'll most likely only be getting in 2 ES + 1 LB between each SS. Maybe that extra 1 second more off your SS is worth that other point, not sure. You could then take that one point, plus the 2 in Imp GW and max out Imp Shields for the extra mana regen. I'm not sure if I'll do that yet, since I've become rather used to/reliant on Imp GW, but really it's just a convenience thing.

This is almoust true if we would use rotation and we would have some other good dps talents.
But with priority list and maelstorm weapons 2/2 imp. stormstike actual is very good choise. Simulator give 1.5% dps increase for that last point.

Maxed Imp Shields is an extra 7.5 mp5, or 180 mana per 2 min.

5/5 AK is superior with only 200 int, and it scales up from there. You should have 200 int with raid buffs and no int on your gear.

Imp. Shields is a garbage talent.

Imp GW is a talent whose utility is so great I expect all but the most bleeding edge raiders will take it. Indeed, this iteration of 8/53 is probably going to be one of the more popular specs.

I might tinker with a spec that had no improved totems for leveling; I rarely drop them since mana conservation is a bigger concern when farming than shaving a few miliseconds off a mob's death. Static shock and it's mana-free damage is certainly an option, as is going 4/5 MW (because what's the point of getting faster stacks if you don't have the mana pool to cast them?)