Whoops, guess I'm out of the loop. All I saw on mmo-champion was "no shaman changes this build" so I assumed it was still broken. On that note, has anyone done some testing to look for an internal cooldown?

This thread now has 31 pages of arbitrary assumptions how talents and abilities may work. It has proven only one thing, that it is not possible to do serious theorycrafting without knowing how things will actually work.

Still people keep posting "perfect" rotations, talent builds, dps numbers, "ideal" gear setups and weapon choices, all based on numbers people pull out of their ..., you know what I mean.

How about we wait until certain things are done, before we get another 31 pages of useless stuff:

+ The shaman talent revamp, which Blizzard said is coming soon.
+ Details about shaman Inscriptions, which could reduce the cooldown of Stormstrike, Shocks, LvB, or modify other things important for our dps.
+ People that actually play the beta posting feedback about how certain talents and abilities work, so we can base calculations on true numbers. (e.g. if Flametongue still has a damage component, before you jump here posting slow/fast+flametongue beats everything else on dps)

There are so many things we don't know yet, will Maelstrom work on yellow attacks, what's the cooldown on static shock and how will it look with the new CoE, how will Spirit Wolves work, and so on.

I'm not that worried. I used most of the weapons you named (well, I passed on the BT trash set), so I'm a happy beneficiary of the improved itemization. My point was simply that we don't know enough yet to be *sure*. It's not like the devs have never implemented something that in retrospect didn't work out the way they intended.

In any case Dragonhoof's post is the most sensible thing I've seen here in a while, so I'm going to shut up until we have much better data. When we do, I'll still be interested in seeing just how much, if at all, fast weapons gimp us.

If you dislike theories and discussions about the wotlk talent and spells, this would seem like the wrong thread for you. In an MMO things are always subject to change, despite that, I, and a great deal of others, enjoy theorizing about spells and abilities. If people enjoy theorizing and discussing, why not let them? If they didn't, this thread would be empty and no one would be any better off.

I'm heading out to the blasted lands now with a notebook to see if i can get some numbers for static shock cooldown.

I'll exclude all LS procs that occur within 1 second of the mob hitting me, unless i get multiple procs.

Will also try and test the FS tick.

I don't think there will be a cooldown on static shock, since it has a relatively low chance to proc, and doesn't do a lot of damage.

Let's take an example : you do 2 auto-attacks while stormstriking, and you get a windfury proc. That is 6 hit in one GCD, and the maximum you can get (unless flame shocks' dot can also proc static shock but they probably won't... feel free to investigate ).

Now with a 6% chance to proc, you have 1 - (94% ^ 6) = 31% chance to proc atleast one charge.

Chance to proc exactly one charge is 6 * ( 6% * (94% ^ 5) ) = 26,4%

You have 31% - 26,4% = 4,6% chance to proc atleast 2 orbs.


So even on a big burst of 6 attacks, it is very unlikely you will get more than 2 procs (3 maybe, but it is less than 1%... beyond 3 is just totally unlikely).

Ok

No cooldown on Static shock - I got 2 procs one second apart that were definately not due to being hit by the mob.

Removed - flame shock ticks don't proc LS

It also procs itself.

Anything else that i can test?

I noticed the GW quest item change last night collecting Scourged soil for a quest.

Very interesting. So Lavaburst will not only "steal" the direct flameshock dots' damage, but it will also steal chances to proc static shock.

Another fact pointing towards using lightning bolt with the maelstrom weapon buff when you don't need to refresh elemental devastation.

Please provide a combat log illustrating the bolded claims.

Reading the thread I see that beta reports indicate Windfury is not proc'ing Maelstrom Weapon.

Is this considered a "bug" or "working as intended"?

Can WF proc other stuff such as Flurry/Mongoose/Executioner?

It takes longer to get to, but you'd get more accurate testing on the guys in Dire Maul North, because they'll never turn around and hit you. You won't have to try to figure out if the charge going off is a Static Shock proc or due to incoming damage.

You don't need image editing skills. When you're fighting them, turn on /combatlog, and when you're done, cut and paste from the log file.

Unless it is completely overrun by idiots, would Gurubashi Arena or the Dire Maul Arena not be the best place to get accurate results?
Take a tank, a healer and yourself, and try and beat the crap out of the tank.


Edit: seems i've missed something, I never knew there were mobs in DM North that didn't hit back.

They're at the very end. The Gordok Spirits behind the king: Gordok Spirit - NPC - World of Warcraft I wish there was a higher level version, but they're the closest melee can get to our own Dr. Boom, in terms of testing DPS rotations. And leveling weapon skill--I leveled 2h axe skill on one of them from 1 to 375 by clearing to it, hitting attack, and going to bed. I woke up and all my gear was broken, but I was still attacking it and had 375 weapon skill.

You can see for yourself that its proccing itself by mounting up and running through mobs, or at least it looks like it - off to get a combat log now.

As for DM, i'm on my own and don't know the instance that well so I may skip it.

You can also GW while water walking now. Its kinda fun.

Looks like a 6% chance to proc off itself.

Also - having just kited the blasted lands mobs around for 10 minutes I didnt see any flameshock ticks proccing LS so I was wrong on that.

I´m following this thread for a while now even if I´m not a shaman (im a warrior), but it is interesting to see how your changes will affect melee groups in the near future. Sorry if this question has already been answered, but somebody wrote earlier that 1 Int gives you 1 ap in WotLK. Mental Dexterity will also increase attack power by 100 percent of your intellect.

Am I totally wrong or is this in fact 2ap for 1 int? Won't int be hands down the best stat you can have beside crit?

sorry if I might be wrong here, I´m just a warrior =)

It looks from the Log that Static Shock was proccing off of reactionary Lightning Shield Procs.

I did not see any procs off of static shock charges though. (either chain procs of 3 lightning shield orbs in a row, or 2 orbs from offensive melee or casts)

It looks like you didn't attack back for the first 4 minutes though, and there's only ~1 minute of autoattack, so it's not a large testbed.

Of course, 6% * 6% is 0.36% chance of seeing static shock proc off itself if it IS possible. We'll jsut need some longer testing with offensive spells/melee.

Mental dexterity is the talent that will give us 1AP/INT. INT will not give AP in its own. it will be 1-1 for 3 talent points currently.

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Thx a lot, m8