EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 102

Aximous · 02/27/09, 8:22 PM

1, 2 I'm having the same results about those, and I'm not sure where did you get that everyone is claiming that hex is the wrong totem, never seen someone saying stuff like that. 4. you're missing arcane resistance from the config file and BI does arcane damage.

Duscha · 02/28/09, 12:11 AM

I'm always looking for the best gear set available and I want you to help me if anything out could beat this:

[Valorous Earthshatter Faceguard]: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Arcanum of Torment]
[Favor of the Dragon Queen]: [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderguards]: [Greater Inscription of the Axe], [Precise Dragon's Eye]
[Drape of the Deadly Foe]: Major Agility
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]: Powerful Stats, [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Rigid Dragon's Eye]
[Slime Stream Bands]: Greater Assault, [Rigid Dragon's Eye], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Frosted Adroit Handguards]: [Bright Scarlet Ruby], Crusher
[Torn Web Wrapping]: [Eternal Belt Buckle], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt]: [Icescale Leg Armor], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Pristine Monarch Topaz]
[Boots of the Renewed Flight]: Icewalker
[Surge Needle Ring], [Ring of Invincibility]
[Mirror of Truth], [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Calamity's Grasp]: Berserking
[The Stray]: Berserking
[Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability]

The summarized set can be found here: Chardev.

explanatory notes:

- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.
- Otherwise I have few haste as possible taken. As a result the windfury damage increases rapidly.
- Already pre patch 3.01 [The Stray] is simmed BiS for me.

Here the stats.

simulation_time                 15000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         25
max_lag                         50
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       500
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    300

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              MT
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              ES
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR
rotation_priority8              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.25
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          143.5
mh_crit                         34.5
oh_crit                         34.5
mh_hit                          11.28
oh_hit                          11.28
mh_expertise_rating             205
oh_expertise_rating             205
ap                              3762
haste                           3.63
armor_penetration               4.4
str                             135
agi                             901
int                             463
spi                             155
spellpower                      1129
spell_crit                      25.75
spell_hit                       14
max_mana                        11060
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Here the output.

MH:
miss                3633776        9.73%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            9330734        25.00%
hit                 5575521        14.94%
crit                18790139       50.33%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.67%
procs/swings        15.27%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 6169694        46.64%
crit                7059292        53.36%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2801106        46.76%
crit                3189060        53.24%

OH:
miss                3615606        9.69%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            9287127        24.88%
hit                 5571016        14.92%
crit                18856421       50.51%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 26025732       55.19%
crit                21128164       44.81%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2798981        46.73%
crit                3191185        53.27%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 4375560        55.20%
crit                3551044        44.80%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3466763        46.54%
crit                3982403        53.46%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 4290392        55.16%
crit                3487310        44.84%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6630135        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 48.16

flurry uptime                  95.92%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   80.60%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              42.38%
oh enchant uptime              38.00%
trinket1 uptime                32.51%
trinket2 uptime                18.33%
totem uptime                   82.77%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 0.00      0.00%
replenishment       0.00      0.00%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      100.00%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1833.52   29.98%    82.96
windfury            802.83    13.13%    7.35
flametongue         556.05    9.09%     52.39
stormstrike         337.18    5.51%     6.66      36.67     15.57%
lava lash           276.93    4.53%     8.28      22.80     9.68%
magma totem         578.57    9.46%     3.00      55.79     23.69%
earth shock         609.19    9.96%     8.81      56.91     24.17%
lightning bolt      837.86    13.7%     8.64      63.32     26.89%
lightning shield    283.65    4.64%     0.82      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 6115.78
MPS                 235.49
MP2min              28258.52
MRPS                9.11
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 15000.00h
elapsed real time: 20.56s
simulation speed: 2626203x

Rouncer · 02/28/09, 1:13 AM

Originally Posted by Duscha

- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.

Not sure if you are aware but they found that expertise doesn't really work in staggered amounts even though that is how it is displayed on the paper doll. So if your numbers are based on have 25 expertise on the paper doll but actually have say 210 expertise rating that actually equals out to 6.4% dodge reduction not the 6.25% dodge reduction that is shown on the paper doll. Which would explain your testing results so if you want the sim to be accurate then take the Boss dodge value back up to 6.5%.

Duscha · 02/28/09, 1:52 AM

I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.

Rouncer · 02/28/09, 2:09 AM

Originally Posted by Duscha

I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.

Rarely some windfury dodges?

Every missed Windfury is a lot of lost damage. If you want to make the Sim as accurate as possible then you need to give the proper dodge value or you are just dicking around. If you want to try to take being 0.0019% over 6.25% into account then just reduce the value of boss dodge to 6.4981 and then the results will be perfectly accurate.

Think about it this way. You are talking about a missed dodge or two in a multi-hour Naxx as being a representative sample. The sim as you have it set up is running 15,000 hours for you and if you have missed a single dodge with 6.25% then the cap is higher then that. Give the sim the correct value because garbage in equals garbage out. As for whether 18 AP is more valuable then 9 expertise that really is a personal determination that you really have to make for yourself.

rastotem · 02/28/09, 7:44 AM

Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?

Dragon-CR · 02/28/09, 11:14 AM

Is there a guide to compiling the sim on the PC if we want to make some changes? Everything I've seen in this thread and on the official site are for compiling for mac.

Zanpaku · 02/28/09, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by rastotem

Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?

No its not a bug. Its like Aximous said few posts before, i just forgot to input the arcan resi. Now it works perfect. But its quite irritating how weak the trinket seems to be. Fury of the five Flights makes 100 dps more than Bandits Insignia in the sim. At the doll i get nearly the same dps, but Bandits Insignia just proccs as bad as in the sim, so...

Here my results with Bandits Insignia:

MH:
miss                208651         9.00%
dodge               5774           0.25%
glancing            577167         24.90%
hit                 443264         19.12%
crit                1083495        46.74%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.70%
procs/swings        15.37%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2318           0.28%
hit                 417257         50.00%
crit                414971         49.72%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               951            0.24%
hit                 199104         50.29%
crit                195854         49.47%

OH:
miss                217149         9.00%
dodge               6076           0.25%
glancing            599474         24.85%
hit                 460735         19.10%
crit                1129302        46.81%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1631609        54.09%
crit                1384759        45.91%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               955            0.24%
hit                 198489         50.26%
crit                195514         49.50%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 257443         54.19%
crit                217629         45.81%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1125           0.26%
hit                 217488         50.11%
crit                215366         49.63%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 320361         54.05%
crit                272326         45.95%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 45.04

flurry uptime                  88.69%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.35%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              40.26%
oh enchant uptime              35.38%
trinket1 uptime                20.56%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      -1.#J%
mp5                 0.00      -1.#J%
replenishment       0.00      -1.#J%
unrelenting storm   0.00      -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      -1.#J%
shamanistic rage    0.00      -1.#J%
mana potion         0.00      -1.#J%
misc potion         0.00      -1.#J%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2076.30   33.53%    78.85
windfury            922.56    14.9%     6.95
flametongue         507.51    8.2%      50.27
stormstrike         400.33    6.46%     6.60      36.36     18.98%
lava lash           221.30    3.57%     7.23      14.04     7.33%
magma totem         519.68    8.39%     2.89      53.69     28.03%
earth shock         531.41    8.58%     7.92      29.97     15.64%
lightning bolt      960.67    15.51%    9.88      57.52     30.03%
misc                52.68     0.85%     1.23

DPS                 6192.43
MPS                 191.57
MP2min              22988.02
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.03s
simulation speed: 1187726x

and now with FotfF:

MH:
miss                208423         8.99%
dodge               5715           0.25%
glancing            576077         24.85%
hit                 443849         19.14%
crit                1084314        46.77%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.73%
procs/swings        15.40%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2436           0.29%
hit                 416564         49.83%
crit                416994         49.88%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               991            0.25%
hit                 199194         50.31%
crit                195774         49.44%

OH:
miss                216778         8.98%
dodge               5946           0.25%
glancing            598929         24.82%
hit                 462067         19.15%
crit                1129040        46.79%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1632544        54.11%
crit                1384488        45.89%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               927            0.23%
hit                 198146         50.17%
crit                195895         49.60%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 257369         54.19%
crit                217613         45.81%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1115           0.26%
hit                 217774         50.17%
crit                215181         49.57%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 319682         53.99%
crit                272442         46.01%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 44.99

flurry uptime                  88.66%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.36%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              40.42%
oh enchant uptime              35.36%
trinket1 uptime                20.55%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      -1.#J%
mp5                 0.00      -1.#J%
replenishment       0.00      -1.#J%
unrelenting storm   0.00      -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      -1.#J%
shamanistic rage    0.00      -1.#J%
mana potion         0.00      -1.#J%
misc potion         0.00      -1.#J%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2161.80   34.06%    78.85
windfury            957.80    15.09%    6.97
flametongue         520.47    8.2%      50.28
stormstrike         416.74    6.57%     6.60      36.36     18.99%
lava lash           230.44    3.63%     7.23      14.03     7.33%
magma totem         528.93    8.33%     2.89      53.68     28.03%
earth shock         543.26    8.56%     7.92      29.94     15.64%
lightning bolt      987.86    15.56%    9.87      57.47     30.01%

DPS                 6347.31
MPS                 191.48
MP2min              22977.94
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.20s
simulation speed: 1123946x

Zanpaku · 03/02/09, 6:11 AM

It is 3/6/9 expertise. Not sure where the % came from. It isn't in our tooltips at the moment.

That would be awesome.

rastotem · 03/02/09, 1:06 PM

Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?

Woyzeck · 03/02/09, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by rastotem

Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?

Your hit + the hit added in the EP calculation go past the cap

rastotem · 03/02/09, 1:39 PM

Oh didn't think of that one

, so I want to reduce my hit ep? and if so by how much? at the moment its a value of 20.

Rouncer · 03/02/09, 1:47 PM

Just use a negative value.

Panamah · 03/02/09, 7:06 PM

I must be doing something wrong. I'm trying to use the simulator. I have two rogue weapons because nothing more shammy-like has dropped for me yet and their DPS was vastly better than my blue weapons. So, with simulation I found I got better DPS with FT on both and it out does my DPS using my 130 dps weapon MH with WF (in the simulation).

So today I was playing and plugged in the values for Calamity's Grasp and Angry Dread, using WF/FT. It's about the same as the numbers I was getting on my two daggers with FT/FT. Here's my armory: Me with two knives

Am I doing something wrong in the simulator or is this just the way it is with WF and FT these days? Also, the calculated DPS is quite a lot lower than I'm actually doing on Patchwerk. I'm doing 3900ish on him and the simulator has me around 3067. I know I'm not perfect on my rotation and I forget to refresh Magma totem sometimes, so I know I can do even better.

Here's my config file with the knives. I just changed weapon speed and DPS for the slow weapon tests (didn't bother to fuss with all the stats it'd change figuring it'd be minor). Oh yes, I changed over to Windfury glyph from Flametongue too.

Thanks for your help.

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        1.8
oh_speed                        1.5
mh_dps                          171.1
oh_dps                          156.7
mh_crit                         24.81
oh_crit                         24.81
mh_hit                          12.08
oh_hit                          12.08
mh_expertise_rating             181
oh_expertise_rating             181
ap                              3238
haste                           7.41
armor_penetration               0
str                             121
agi                             763
int                             433
spi                             145
spellpower                      1486
spell_crit                      17.53
spell_hit                       15.1
max_mana                        10611
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        flametongue
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      -
oh_enchant                      mongoose

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        sphere_of_red_dragons_blood

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       -

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

glyph_major1                    lightning_shield
glyph_major2                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3                    stormstrike
ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Xoya · 03/02/09, 7:25 PM

If that's the full config, then you don't have any buffs checked, which would cause your simulated DPS to be pretty low, so you should definitely do that.