EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 14

Malan · 09/22/08, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Pitbuller

Ancestral Knowledge
Rank 1
Increases your intellect by 2%.

If it would be only 1% then we would be very envy to paladin counter part. They get 3% per point it's also five point talent.

Ack, I'm an idiot, for some reason I was reading it as the 5% mana equivalent with intellect.

Pitbuller · 09/22/08, 1:24 PM

Originally Posted by tukez

Might be, that you are doing it wrong. If you increase Ancestral Knowledge, you also have to increase intelligence and spell crit. I know in these cases, it is kind of annoying, but it is consistent with other inputs. In the sim you always input what you see in your char sheet.

Well I don't know how you did the test, but I wasn't able to get 10dps gain. Dps gain was under 6dps. Maybe the EP values you have don't match with so little changes. You might want to try to calculate EP values again with lower ranges.

Then someone might think, that why do you need to input Ancestral Knowledge at all? Ep value calculation needs it. Also if you get 100 int temporary buff(trinket), with full AK, you actually get 110 int.

Yeah I did inputs wrong. That is actual pretty harsh talent to calculate with sim becouse you have to calculate new ap, int, spell power and spell crit value(Did I forget something?). I rerun sim and I get 7dps increase. It's still better than imp. shields but not much.

Roywyn · 09/22/08, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

Is it possible you dont have the correct base spell damage range and damage coefficient in place? Searing totem has done ~240 dps in all 25 test I conducted tonight, but the simulator seems to believe it should be doing 300 or so. SS also seems to be a tad low, but this may be due to the fact that I'm using a spell damage weapon for the MH instead of a beefy melee dps weapon :P

All NPCs have the issue that they don't chain cast.
Searing Totem, Imps, Water Elemental have a significant delay in between casts.
Ballpark 400ms.

Attack - Spell - World of Warcraft, ideally it should be 2.2s between casts, it will be around 2.6/2.7s however.
Best test would be Blasted Lands. Drop a totem, wait until it expires, drop again, etc
Do that a few times, check the amount of shots/casts and you have a good average.

It's definately not just a beta thing, it happens and always has happened on live as well.

Low Life · 09/22/08, 2:37 PM

What kind of DPS increase should I be seeing with this sim at 70 compared to Yo!'s? According to the sims my DPS would be going from around 1200 to somewhere close to 2000 with the same gear and about the same buffs, which means that everything's still even gemmed/enchanted with STR. I picked the stats for this sim on the beta server, so they should all be right. Am I doing something horribly wrong here or is the DPS increase just from new talents/mechanics/skills really going to be that huge?

Rouncer · 09/22/08, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by tukez

250% and 200% don't make any sense. 100% more crit damage with physical means 300% damage. That would also make sense with 4/5 EF giving 280%.

Are you sure about, that there are no partial resists? And I thought glancing hits can happen with white damage only.

Sorry, 300% crits.

Hothgor · 09/22/08, 3:57 PM

Everything I have tested indicates its currently 300% crits with 5/5 EF.

Levva · 09/22/08, 9:37 PM

A question was asked on the main thread http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...81/#post905066 that may have effects on the sim. Can you confirm the sim applies the spellpower boost to instant casts only?

Edit : DOH!!! I'll blame the early hour of the morning for not noticing this was crap.

Rouncer · 09/22/08, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

A question was asked on the main thread http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t27014-e...81/#post905066 that may have effects on the sim. Can you confirm the sim applies the spellpower boost to instant casts only?

That person was an idiot who couldn't read a tooltip properly, Mental Quickness reduces the mana cost of your Instant cast spells by 6% AND increases your spellpower by 30% of your AP.

Hothgor · 09/23/08, 2:55 AM

Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.

tukez · 09/23/08, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.

You are talking about the glyph, I assume? So dual FT with the glyph should give 4% spell crit?

Bargle · 09/23/08, 9:29 AM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

Bug: Double Flametongue Weapon Enchants aren't giving 4% spell crit, only 2%.

There's nothing to say whether this is a bug, oversight, or working as intended. The glyph merely reads, "Increases spell critical strike chance by 2% while Flametongue Weapon is active." It says nothing about 2% *per* active flametongue enchant.

Hothgor · 09/23/08, 1:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bargle

There's nothing to say whether this is a bug, oversight, or working as intended. The glyph merely reads, "Increases spell critical strike chance by 2% while Flametongue Weapon is active." It says nothing about 2% *per* active flametongue enchant.

Except the paper doll on BETA clearly shows me having 4% extra crit with double FT enchanted, not 2%.

jwwpua · 09/23/08, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

Except the paper doll on BETA clearly shows me having 4% extra crit with double FT enchanted, not 2%.

If it's showing +4% with double FT, what is the bug you're referring to?

Mine shows +2% with 1 FT, and +4% with 2 FT's.

Malan · 09/23/08, 3:41 PM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

Except the paper doll on BETA clearly shows me having 4% extra crit with double FT enchanted, not 2%.

Could just be a display bug, FT is bugged out on the char tab anyways and makes your spell damage stack up when you equip weapons, but its just a display bug.

Hothgor · 09/23/08, 3:48 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Could just be a display bug, FT is bugged out on the char tab anyways and makes your spell damage stack up when you equip weapons, but its just a display bug.

True...but when I click off one or both FT weapon enchants, the crit % on the paper doll goes down 2 or 4%. The simulation is bugged to only give you 2% spell crit regardless of if you have two weapons buffed with Flametongue. There would be no reason for it to NOT give us 4% spell crit with 2 enchants after all.

Malan · 09/23/08, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Hothgor

. There would be no reason for it to NOT give us 4% spell crit with 2 enchants after all.

Unless they only intended you to get the benefit from one? I don't know, there's obviously a bug here but I don't think you can say for certain which side of the fence the bug is on.

Vaeys · 09/24/08, 9:09 AM

I thought there was a discussion about flame shock & stormstrike, but I can't seem to find it... however after checking for my own curiosity:

- Flame Shock initial hit gets the boost from the SS debuff if it is up (and consumes a charge)
- if SS debuff is up when Flame Shock dot ticks, the dot gets +20% damage, but does not consume a charge

So if you flame shock, then SS, the ticks after will get the boost, and if it wears off during the flame shock (and isn't refreshed) the remaining tics don't get the boost.

tukez · 09/24/08, 11:03 AM

1.1.1
-Fixed LB coef to 71.43%.
-Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s.
-The Skull of Gul'dan trinket added.
-Added totems Totem of Ancestral Guidance, Totem of Splintering, Totem of the Void and Skycall Totem.
-With Flametongue Glyph and dual FT, you now get 4% spell crit.
-Chain Lightning added.
-Stats with zero value are not printed.
-Elemental Fury changed to affect Lava Lash.
-Lava Lash and Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.

enhsim - Google Code

Forgot to add that I changed Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.

Malan · 09/24/08, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by tukez

Forgot to add that I changed Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.

They do not consume the debuff. Only the DD does.

Pitbuller · 09/24/08, 11:14 AM

I think these are wrong. Can someone confirm.
- Lightning Shield changed to consume and gain benefit from Stormstrike debuff.
- Flame Shock dots to benefit from SS debuff also.

Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s

tukez · 09/24/08, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

They do not consume the debuff. Only the DD does.

Yes...or you mean it doesn't get the benefit at all?

Malan · 09/24/08, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by tukez

Yes...or you mean it doesn't get the benefit at all?

If they don't consume the debuff the DoT component should not benefit. Same for Flametongue Weapon - it doesn't consume the charge, so it should not receive benefit.

tukez · 09/24/08, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Pitbuller

Also "Fixed Searing totem attack interval to 2.2s." This is right but NPc do not chain cast and right interval then bumbep up to 2.5-2.6s

I'll change this to 2.55s on the next update.

Sorry · 09/24/08, 12:27 PM

Just tested this on the PTR.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.
Lightning Shield charges benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.

Malan · 09/24/08, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sorry

Just tested this on the PTR.
Flameshock DoTs benefit from SS debuff while not using up charges.

Well that's odd. Oh well, can't complain about that I guess.