EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 45

Tramana · 01/01/09, 6:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bellante

Ye, use a /startattack macro for SS and LL both, so I can mash anything to start attacking. Point was just that you don't need to stand back and have autoattack going before approaching, say, Patchwerk. You just open with SS. Anyway, just wanted to have it confirmed that SS achieved the same result, as it is the approach I've been using.

It's simple enough to see if you're getting in phase weapons in a wws parse or combatlog for a fight like patchwerk

Or you can test on a target dummy. Get into range of the target dummy and start with a SS. For me this is what I got when I tried:

1/1 14:09:23.526  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,17364,"Stormstrike",0x9
1/1 14:09:23.535  SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1711,1710,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
1/1 14:09:23.570  SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,1851,1850,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
1/1 14:09:23.570  SPELL_DAMAGE,"Stormstrike",0x1,990,989,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
1/1 14:09:24.794  SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1053,1052,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
1/1 14:09:25.446  SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1038,1037,1,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
1/1 14:09:26.653  SWING_DAMAGE,"Expert's Training Dummy",0x10a28,1036,1035,1,0,0,0,1,nil,nil

So leading with stormstrike does not automatically put your weapons in phase.

Kalahad · 01/02/09, 3:50 PM

While keeping weapons in phase, dual Webbed Death with 2x Flametongue is simming far higher for me then any other combo (150-200 dps higher then any Calamity+WD/SR/Stray Combo). Anyone else getting this? I'm sure things will change once the WF glyph is changed, however. If every rogue in the guild didn't want to DW Webbed Death's as well I'd seriously consider trying it out.

Protico · 01/02/09, 4:58 PM

I just recently updated from 1.4.3, which seemed to be giving me pretty reasonable numbers (numbers which seemed in the ballpark for what I would just guess) to 1.5.0 which seems to be giving me unreasonable numbers. I am not sure whether I am just working from bad assumptions and these numbers are right, or if I am doing something wrong. I will also point out that I am not entirely sure what the EP range settings should be when trying to determine EP values, so that may be my issue, I left them at default except expertise which I set to 1.

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    1
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SS
rotation_priority3              ES
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              ST
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              0/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        2.50
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         28.83
oh_crit                         28.83
mh_hit                          13.78
oh_hit                          13.78
mh_expertise_rating             26
oh_expertise_rating             26
ap                              3649
haste                           5.34
armor_penetration               2.53
str                             129
agi                             822
int                             437
spi                             153
spellpower                      1129
spell_crit                      20.87
spell_hit                       17.23
max_mana                        10671
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      mongoose
oh_enchant                      mongoose

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           stonebreakers_totem

set_bonus                       -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    flametongue_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 5.37364% (140.961 hit rating).

Calculating EP values...
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated.
Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated.
Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated.
Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated.
Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated.
Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated.


EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      4956.67
ap                        1.00      0.55      5066.11        109.45
crit rating               2.13      1.17      4991.69        35.02
hit rating                1.80      0.99      4986.27        29.61
expertise rating          2.87      1.57      4969.53        12.87
haste rating              0.17      0.09      4959.48        2.81
armor penetration rating  1.33      0.73      4978.47        21.81
spellpower                1.13      0.62      5049.07        92.40
mh dps                    6.19      3.39      4982.07        25.40
oh dps                    2.26      1.24      4965.93        9.27
strength                  1.10      
agility                   1.83      
intelligence              1.59      
spirit                    0.02      0.01      4958.52        1.85
mana                      0.01      0.00      4957.65        0.98
mp5                       0.25      0.14      4959.39        2.73

( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.13, HitRating=1.80, HasteRating=0.17, ExpertiseRating=2.87, ArmorPenetration=1.33, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=6.19, OffHandDps=2.26, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.83, Intellect=1.59, Spirit=0.02, Mana=0.01, Mp5=0.25 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=0.17&dps=6.19&mp5=0.25&mcr=2.13&odps=2.26&spd=1.13&Agi=1.83&mhit=1.80&Int=1.59&Spi=0.02&map=1.00&arp=1.33&Exp=2.87

elapsed simulation time: 14000.00h
elapsed real time: 36.86s
simulation speed: 1367372x

The numbers which seem unreasonable to me are expertise and haste. I would think just the increase in white damage would make haste more valuable than .17, and shouldn't expertise be negligible after cap? I also know that my hit is stupid right now, I have to re-gem since I picked up Grim Toll.

A simple "those numbers are fine you are an idiot" will suffice if that is the case, thanks.

Malan · 01/02/09, 6:24 PM

Well number one, you aren't expertise capped.

mh_expertise_rating 26
oh_expertise_rating 26

26 rating is like 3 expertise.

Also, don't mess with the EP stuff at the top of the config file unless you know what you're doing. Since you said you don't, I suggest you change it back to what it was.

Protico · 01/02/09, 6:38 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Well number one, you aren't expertise capped.

26 rating is like 3 expertise.

Also, don't mess with the EP stuff at the top of the config file unless you know what you're doing. Since you said you don't, I suggest you change it back to what it was.

Ah yes, it used to ask for rating but want actual expertise, I see it actually wants rating now. Here is the corrected output, still with abnormal results. I only changed the expertise EP range because another post suggested that if you were capped you didn't want a high number there.

Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 5.37364% (140.961 hit rating).
Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.

EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      5233.06
ap                        1.00      0.56      5345.35        112.30
crit rating               1.90      1.06      5265.00        31.94
hit rating                1.67      0.94      5261.23        28.18
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -5233.06
haste rating              -0.20     -0.11     5229.65        -3.41
armor penetration rating  1.47      0.82      5257.78        24.72
spellpower                1.13      0.63      5328.05        94.99
mh dps                    5.35      3.00      5255.59        22.54
oh dps                    2.62      1.47      5244.10        11.05
strength                  1.10      
agility                   1.81      
intelligence              1.53      
spirit                    0.01      0.01      5234.24        1.19
mana                      0.01      0.00      5234.10        1.04
mp5                       0.43      0.24      5237.93        4.87

( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.90, HitRating=1.67, HasteRating=-0.20, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.47, SpellDamage=1.13, MainHandDps=5.35, OffHandDps=2.62, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.81, Intellect=1.53, Spirit=0.01, Mana=0.01, Mp5=0.43 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=-0.20&dps=5.35&mp5=0.43&mcr=1.90&odps=2.62&spd=1.13&Agi=1.81&mhit=1.67&Int=1.53&Spi=0.01&map=1.00&arp=1.47&Exp=0.00

elapsed simulation time: 13000.00h
elapsed real time: 36.02s
simulation speed: 1299458x

bobxii · 01/02/09, 8:15 PM

Couple things:

Post a dps run (i.e. non-ep value run); I think you'll see you're running OOM (more than 0.05% or so) judging from the non-negligible mp5 value, probably because of this:

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SS
rotation_priority3              ES
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              ST
rotation_priority7              SR

Which should have SR on top instead of the bottom.

Also, you're only running 1000 hours of combat time (this should get things in the ballpark, however, so it doesn't explain the haste issue). The three likely explanations are: 1) you're in the <1.5s MH swing range which hurts WF damage, and you don't have enough haste EP difference to make up for it with white damage/MW procs, or 2) you're in the realm of some other interfering cooldowns involving MW with something else, and 3) the combat time simply isn't long enough, giving you deviations in dps larger than the difference from the additional haste.

Also, to tukez: does the sim account for the 4.8% (Retesting hit table assumptions) physical crit depression on bosses? (I'm not sure what it is on spells) I have noticed the seemingly unattainable dps numbers from this sim (with the input stats).

Protico · 01/02/09, 8:57 PM

................................................................................

MH:
miss                197435         8.15%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            604033         24.94%
hit                 437876         18.08%
crit                1182126        48.82%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.21%
procs/swings        14.15%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 413046         51.49%
crit                389162         48.51%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 212350         51.47%
crit                200223         48.53%

OH:
miss                206512         8.19%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            626060         24.84%
hit                 456636         18.12%
crit                1230904        48.84%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1867943        57.71%
crit                1368715        42.29%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 212512         51.51%
crit                200061         48.49%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 307761         57.82%
crit                224499         42.18%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 260550         51.04%
crit                249935         48.96%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 300525         57.80%
crit                219450         42.20%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 445058         100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 47.27

flurry uptime                  89.89%
unleashed rage uptime          99.99%
elemental devastation uptime   78.24%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              36.19%
oh enchant uptime              32.57%
trinket1 uptime                20.64%
trinket2 uptime                18.06%
totem uptime                   49.34%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.49     24.94%
replenishment       32.47     23.47%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 26.09     18.86%
shamanistic rage    45.27     32.73%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1631.18   31.47%    82.36
windfury            681.48    13.15%    6.69
flametongue         529.02    10.21%    53.94
stormstrike         305.11    5.89%     6.88      37.89     25.45%
lava lash           166.51    3.21%     8.51      17.09     11.48%
searing totem       332.03    6.41%     1.02      4.92      3.31%
earth shock         577.55    11.14%    8.87      36.90     24.79%
lightning bolt      781.14    15.07%    8.67      52.07     34.98%
lightning shield    179.54    3.46%     0.82      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5183.54
MPS                 148.87
MP2min              17863.83
MRPS                172.00
Out of mana time    0.05%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.72s
simulation speed: 1324503x

There is the output from a DPS run, my weapons are 2.6 and 2.5 so I can't imagine I ever get below 1.5. I moved the SR up to top priority per your suggestion and I am still seeing the low number. I normally run 5000+ hours for more precise EP numbers, but always run a short one first to make sure things look relatively normal before doing a long run.

Rouncer · 01/02/09, 9:25 PM

Originally Posted by Protico

Ah yes, it used to ask for rating but want actual expertise, I see it actually wants rating now. Here is the corrected output, still with abnormal results. I only changed the expertise EP range because another post suggested that if you were capped you didn't want a high number there.

Actually those values are correct. The issue is that you're running into the windfury chasm where your weapon is just under 1.5 seconds and it is decreasing the number of Windfury procs you see per unit time from the mainhand.

Toots can explain it better then me but basically either get more haste or stay right where you currently are because at your current level haste really has no value as a stat. Get another percent or two and it will start to have a value again as you will be under that "cap" for the most part and you will be back to your normal Windfury PPM rate.

Malan · 01/02/09, 9:54 PM

Rounced we may need to add those graphics that Toots made for the windfury-haste issue to the wiki. I'm not sure where that post went though...

Originally Posted by bobxii

Which should have SR on top instead of the bottom.

I don't see why SR would need the highest priority. Placing it last on priority, with a "use SR with less than X mana" option set would mean that the sim would use abilities till everything was on CD and then pop SR once you were below the mana line and had every ability on CD and LS was still active. That's exactly how I do it in-game.

Besides, if you aren't running into any sort of mana issues in your raid (I haven't even been using SR during bosses anymore) then you may as well just turn mana simulation off just to save yourself the hassle of potential wonky output.

Rouncer · 01/02/09, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Rounced we may need to add those graphics that Toots made for the windfury-haste issue to the wiki. I'm not sure where that post went though...

I don't think it was actually in our forums, I think it was from a post he linked from wowhead where someone was being a dumbass and he felt the need to educate.

e: nm http://elitistjerks.com/990992-post8.html it's in the TTT thread.

Although what is really missing is the chart that he listed that showed the specific amounts of haste that puts you into that zone. Maybe he would be willing to rewrite that for inclusion in the TTT since that would be the most useful and easiest to follow thing we could put there. Would be ideal if it showed Flurry + Windfury Totem and then showed the haste amount estimated with 1 goose enchant and with 2 goose enchants.

I'll try to find that other post though since that laid it all out simply enough that even I was able to follow it.

Protico · 01/03/09, 12:20 AM

Thanks for linking that post, it is illuminating. It would be a good addition to TTT, I had seen that graph re: WF procs vs Weapon speed but the post makes sense of it.

bobxii · 01/03/09, 12:33 AM

Ok, with essentially zero OOM time, the mp5 value thing was just a fluke.

You might actually try running it with negative haste EP values (ie. decreasing haste) to see if you're already in the "windfury chasm" (depends on if the main hand is running under or over 1.50s); you may do more dps with less haste (YAY). (However I added haste in every possible way and found that only with double goose up could you run under the 1.5s mark for the main hand outside of bloodlust.)

I found something interesting; working out the PPM of the MH and OH yields some wierd results:

FT	
53.94	PPM	
8.51	lava lash	
6.88	stormstrike	
38.55	OH ppm	43.81  MH ppm
2.5 sec		2.6 sec

Obviously this isn't right, since the MH is SLOWER than the OH! Even the vagaries of flurry mechanics (which with a ~90% uptime are much less significant) wouldn't account for this much deviation, and the miss %'s for each hand are nearly identical.

Rouncer · 01/03/09, 2:07 AM

Originally Posted by bobxii

Obviously this isn't right, since the MH is SLOWER than the OH! Even the vagaries of flurry mechanics (which with a ~90% uptime are much less significant) wouldn't account for this much deviation, and the miss %'s for each hand are nearly identical.

Windfury

Sprinter · 01/05/09, 4:30 AM

Hi folks,
i put up the best gear combination i can think of (3.0.3) together and made some enhsim calculations.
As starting a new topic is restricted i thought this is the best forum to post it to as all calculations are based on enhsim.

This is the gear overview:
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

The result using enhsim 1.5.0 is: 5413 DPS

Notes:
- Darkmoon Card Crusade is only slighly better then FotFF
- 40Hit Food
- No Set bonus has been chosen in enhsim. (is valorous earthshatter bonus available in enhsim?)

Used Enhsim Config can be downloaded here

Levva · 01/05/09, 7:17 AM

I was wondering if Tukez could add a ES_SS option to the priority list in the sim I'm intending to add this to the next version of ShockAndAwe. The idea being use ES if SS still on target. This allows a priority of : MW5_LB, ES_SS, SS, ES, LL

ie: give elevated ES priority if SS still on target but put it after SS if no SS debuff on target. A small tweak but I think a useful one. My plan is to try this out in ShockAndAwe so that it advises using ES before SS if there's still a SS debuff.

Thoughts?

Rouncer · 01/05/09, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sprinter

Hi folks,
i put up the best gear combination i can think of (3.0.3) together and made some enhsim calculations.
As starting a new topic is restricted i thought this is the best forum to post it to as all calculations are based on enhsim.

The result using enhsim 1.5.0 is: 5413 DPS

Notes:
- Darkmoon Card Crusade is only slighly better then FotFF
- 40Hit Food
- No Set bonus has been chosen in enhsim. (is valorous earthshatter bonus available in enhsim?)

You can put in set bonuses. Under procs and stuff, Naxx_4_melee.

I have Frosted Adroit Handguards + 4pc Valorous as BiS (if your Rogues let you have them). Hunter 4pc set bonus is pretty meh so they are probably much more interested in the Blue Aspect Helm then the Rogues are over the gloves.

Webbed Death is a superior option to Sinister Revenge for the offhand once you include 4pc Naxx. Hand of Nerub is actually about equal to Sinister Revenge once you have the 4pc bonus and is unlikely to be very contested (also looks amazing too).

Swap the Mirror for a Grim Toll.

With Frosted Adriot, Grim Toll and using Valorous Helm you can use Feast over the hit food.

Vesham · 01/05/09, 11:24 AM

Any specific reason why Webbed Death is superior to Sinister Revenge? I had assumed that a slower offhand would be superior but Sinister Revenge won out because of dps.

Bargle · 01/05/09, 11:39 AM

So, I was playing around with EnhSim last night, and I decided to see what dual Webbed Deaths would look like with my gear (I currently mainhand Calamity's Grasp and offhand Webbed Death). The results were rather surprising: EnhSim shows an increase of ~390 DPS by switching from Calamity's Grasp with WF to Webbed Death with FT in my mainhand. Am I missing something, or does this seem accurate? Configs/outputs below...

Calamity's Grasp w/WF + Webbed Death w/FT ~5927 DPS

Config:

simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       1000
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ST
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              SR
rotation_priority7              LL

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 144/144
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        1.40
mh_dps                          171.6
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         33.78
oh_crit                         33.78
mh_hit                          10.37
oh_hit                          10.37
mh_expertise_rating             214.00
oh_expertise_rating             214.00
ap                              3770
haste                           3.60
armor_penetration               2.01
str                             129
agi                             853
int                             457
spi                             153
spellpower                      1405
spell_crit                      27.56
spell_hit                       12.96
max_mana                        10971
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  0/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Output:

................................................................................

MH:
miss                1302079        10.63%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            3060674        24.98%
hit                 1266509        10.34%
crit                6623148        54.06%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          14.42%
procs/swings        13.11%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1721051        45.99%
crit                2021099        54.01%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 933606         46.13%
crit                1090416        53.87%

OH:
miss                2427399        10.63%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            5706428        24.99%
hit                 2361432        10.34%
crit                12339126       54.04%

OH Flametongue:
miss                10034          0.04%
hit                 12827540       51.35%
crit                12145090       48.61%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 931308         46.01%
crit                1092714        53.99%

Earth Shock:
miss                1099           0.04%
hit                 1402884        51.36%
crit                1327609        48.60%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1172208        45.94%
crit                1379448        54.06%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                996            0.04%
hit                 1239502        51.36%
crit                1172923        48.60%


Lightning Shield:
miss                1151           0.04%
hit                 2729717        99.96%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 43.55

flurry uptime                  90.86%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   83.22%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              35.14%
oh enchant uptime              26.83%
trinket1 uptime                19.14%
trinket2 uptime                32.61%
totem uptime                   67.47%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.72     26.48%
replenishment       33.68     25.69%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 28.05     21.39%
shamanistic rage    34.67     26.44%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1809.37   30.53%    116.96
windfury            668.01    11.27%    6.24
flametongue         756.65    12.77%    83.28
stormstrike         285.69    4.82%     6.75      37.17     26.51%
lava lash           106.26    1.79%     8.51      16.51     11.77%
searing totem       413.63    6.98%     1.06      5.10      3.63%
earth shock         676.45    11.41%    9.11      34.64     24.70%
lightning bolt      842.33    14.21%    8.04      46.83     33.39%
lightning shield    368.17    6.21%     1.01      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5926.57
MPS                 140.24
MP2min              16829.15
MRPS                154.31
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 8.34s
simulation speed: 2157497x

Webbed Death w/FT + Webbed Death w/FT ~6317 DPS

Config:

simulation_time                 5000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       1000
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ST
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              SR
rotation_priority7              LL

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0


spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 144/144
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        1.40
oh_speed                        1.40
mh_dps                          156.4
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         33.74
oh_crit                         33.74
mh_hit                          11.01
oh_hit                          11.01
mh_expertise_rating             214.00
oh_expertise_rating             214.00
ap                              3745
haste                           2.87
armor_penetration               2.01
str                             129
agi                             860
int                             457
spi                             153
spellpower                      1668
spell_crit                      29.43
spell_hit                       13.76
max_mana                        10971
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        flametongue
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  0/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   1/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Output:

................................................................................

MH:
miss                2286304        10.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            5712946        24.99%
hit                 2523022        11.04%
crit                12335609       53.97%

MH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 11172840       49.48%
crit                11405912       50.52%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 925676         46.12%
crit                1081499        53.88%

OH:
miss                2274666        9.95%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            5696529        24.92%
hit                 2521513        11.03%
crit                12365173       54.10%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 12474744       49.48%
crit                12738974       50.52%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 924098         46.04%
crit                1083077        53.96%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1396034        49.51%
crit                1423759        50.49%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 1207381        46.02%
crit                1415947        53.98%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1036203        49.56%
crit                1054542        50.44%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 3058434        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 37.14

flurry uptime                  95.17%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   83.26%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              23.29%
oh enchant uptime              27.42%
trinket1 uptime                19.52%
trinket2 uptime                32.71%
totem uptime                   66.91%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 0.00      0.00%
replenishment       0.00      0.00%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      100.00%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1780.29   28.18%    152.39
flametongue         1677.09   26.55%    159.31
stormstrike         175.64    2.78%     6.69      36.86     27.46%
lava lash           108.32    1.71%     8.74      17.01     12.68%
searing totem       486.76    7.71%     1.05      5.08      3.79%
earth shock         782.66    12.39%    9.40      34.88     25.99%
lightning bolt      841.74    13.32%    6.97      40.39     30.09%
lightning shield    464.66    7.36%     1.13      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 6317.18
MPS                 134.23
MP2min              16107.82
MRPS                30.92
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 8.44s
simulation speed: 2133459x

Nevets_69 · 01/05/09, 11:54 AM

I wondered about that, can anyone corroborate the sim results? I mean the sim is good, and we all put a lot of stock in it, still nice to double check this sort of thing.

Levva · 01/05/09, 12:57 PM

I'm doing a spreadsheet just now of the main choices for OH weapons with the aim of coming up with Sim dps figures for each weapon. At present Sinister Revenge is a clear winner. I'd be happier if someone could check the spreadsheet calcs though to confirm I've picked up every change. I've not finished so the results part requires further updating. The Sim Adjustments figures in the results is what I adjusted the base config by. I think I've caught everything but if this can be double checked please, and I'll adjust the results accordingly.

The base config file used was :

simulation_time                 10000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         5
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SS
rotation_priority3              ES
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              LS

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            snapper_extreme
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        1.80
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          171.3
mh_crit                         31.32
oh_crit                         31.32
mh_hit                          10
oh_hit                          10
mh_expertise_rating             216
oh_expertise_rating             216
ap                              3799
haste                           6
armor_penetration               2
str                             133
agi                             942
int                             523
spi                             156
spellpower                      1414
spell_crit                      23.67
spell_hit                       12.5
max_mana                        11961
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   0/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

The results so far are :

Name			iLvl	Type			DPS	Speed	Agi	Hit	AP	ArP	Crit	Haste	Exp			
Anarchy			213	Dagger			156.4	1.8	29	28	86	25						
Angry Dread		213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	2.5	31	25	86		29					
Murder			213	Dagger			156.7	1.5	25	21	86			21				
Sinister Revenge	226	Dagger			171.1	1.8	36	37	98				24				
Split Greathammer	213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	1.6	43		66		29		21			
The Hand of Nerub	213	Fist Weapon		156.6	1.6	33	21	86		29					
Twilight Mist		213	Dagger			156.7	1.8	25	21	86			33				
Webbed Death		213	Dagger			156.4	2.4	43	21	66		31					
														
Differences from base stats of Sinister Revenge														
Name			iLvl	Type			DPS	Speed	Agi	Hit	AP	ArP	Crit	Haste	Exp			
Anarchy			213	Dagger			156.4	1.8	-7	-9	-12	25	0	-24	0			
Angry Dread		213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	2.5	-5	-12	-12	0	29	-24	0			
Murder			213	Dagger			156.7	1.5	-11	-16	-12	0	0	-3	0			
Sinister Revenge	226	Dagger			171.1	1.8	0	0	0	0	0	0	0			
Split Greathammer	213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	1.6	7	-37	-32	0	29	-24	21			
The Hand of Nerub	213	Fist Weapon		156.6	1.6	-3	-16	-12	0	29	-24	0			
Twilight Mist		213	Dagger			156.7	1.8	-11	-16	-12	0	0	9	0			
Webbed Death		213	Dagger			156.4	2.4	7	-16	-32	0	31	-24	0			
														
Sim adjustments									Hit Percentage			Crit Percentage				
Name			iLvl	Type			DPS	Speed	Agi	Melee	Spell	AP	ArP	Melee	Spell	Haste	Exp	Spellpower
Anarchy			213	Dagger			156.4	1.8	-7	-0.27	-0.34	-19	1.62	-0.08	0.00	-0.73	0	-6
Angry Dread		213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	2.5	-5	-0.37	-0.46	-17	0.00	0.57	0.63	-0.73	0	-6
Murder			213	Dagger			156.7	1.5	-11	-0.49	-0.61	-23	0.00	-0.13	0.00	-0.09	0	-8
Sinister Revenge	226	Dagger			171.1	1.8	0	0.00	0.00	0	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0	0
Split Greathammer	213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	1.6	7	-1.13	-1.41	-25	0.00	0.72	0.63	-0.73	21	-8
The Hand of Nerub	213	Fist Weapon		156.6	1.6	-3	-0.49	-0.61	-15	0.00	0.60	0.63	-0.73	0	-5
Twilight Mist		213	Dagger			156.7	1.8	-11	-0.49	-0.61	-23	0.00	-0.13	0.00	0.27	0	-8
Webbed Death		213	Dagger			156.4	2.4	7	-0.49	-0.61	-25	0.00	0.76	0.68	-0.73	0	-8
														
Sim Results														
Name			iLvl	Type			DPS	Speed	Sim DPS								
Anarchy			213	Dagger			156.4	1.8	5437.03								
Angry Dread		213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	2.5	5396.01								
Murder			213	Dagger			156.7	1.5										
Sinister Revenge	226	Dagger			171.1	1.8	5492.33								
Split Greathammer	213	One-Handed Mace		156.6	1.6										
The Hand of Nerub	213	Fist Weapon		156.6	1.6										
Twilight Mist		213	Dagger			156.7	1.8										
Webbed Death		213	Dagger			156.4	2.4

BTW it strikes me this would be best taken to a separate thread to discuss OH weapons, as a topic I'm sure it will be the subject of ongoing debate, especially when patch 3.1 comes out. I am assuming of course that the sim is giving accurate results.

Rouncer · 01/05/09, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bargle

So, I was playing around with EnhSim last night, and I decided to see what dual Webbed Deaths would look like with my gear (I currently mainhand Calamity's Grasp and offhand Webbed Death). The results were rather surprising: EnhSim shows an increase of ~390 DPS by switching from Calamity's Grasp with WF to Webbed Death with FT in my mainhand. Am I missing something, or does this seem accurate? Configs/outputs below...

You added in the imbues.

You changed the stats to allow for the weapon difference but you then added the additional spellpower for the Flametongue imbues.

Click off ALL imbues and then copy the paper doll stats since the Sim will add the spellpower from Flametongue imbue when you select that option on the "Procs and Stuff" panel.

Fixing your Spellpower brings it to a 1131 with CG+WD and 1120 with WDx2 then running the exact same setting through the sim gives

CG+WD=5611

and

WDx2=5595

Which still makes it an issue since WD gets better as you add more haste. But since they are changing WF glyph next patch it will push the balance right back into WF's favor and move the issue off the table for now.

Originally Posted by Levva

I'm doing a spreadsheet just now of the main choices for OH weapons with the aim of coming up with Sim dps figures for each weapon.

Levva, you did it too.

You are adding in the spellpower from Flametongue imbue into your paperdoll stats.

I'm probably the only enhancement shaman with over 1400 spellpower atm and that's because KT is a bitch and won't give me my Calamities Grasp so I am stuck with using a Wrathstrike. Think about it, without a spellpower weapon or elemental gear you need 4667AP to get 1400 spellpower from Mental Quickness.

Zyla and I have been discussing offhands over the last few days and based on my sim runs with my stats (which aren't really ideal and favor a faster offhand more then normal due to the additional spellpower from the Wrathstrike as well as the fact that I run with Mongoosex2 so the haste also favors the faster offhand).

Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Hand of Nerub > Angry Dread

Malan · 01/05/09, 3:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rounced

I'm probably the only enhancement shaman with over 1400 spellpower atm

Unbuffed or buffed? I had over 1900 last night at some point when I glanced at it.
(Just checked and I'm at 1336 on the armory with no buffs, so I don't think you're ~that~ much higher than everyone else considering I'm missing several BiS items.)

Rouncer · 01/05/09, 3:26 PM

Originally Posted by Malan

Unbuffed or buffed? I had over 1900 last night at some point when I glanced at it.
(Just checked and I'm at 1336 on the armory with no buffs, so I don't think you're ~that~ much higher than everyone else considering I'm missing several BiS items.)

Your 1336 is including 274 from Flametongue so you really only have 1062 spellpower. I clicked off my imbues before I logged because I wanted to copy my stats from the Armory while I am at work, to play with the Sim.

Completely unbuffed I have 1524 spellpower and with Flametongue on offhand I have 1798 spellpower (that's also with the wrong boots - I logged out on my heroic set which has boots with runspeed on them instead of my Sapp boots with Icewalker).

461 spellpower from that mainhand is a lot, true I would much rather have your mainhand but mine doesn't sim out too badly until KT wants to cooperate.

• Zyla · 01/05/09, 3:46 PM

Levva: you have Webbed Death at 2.4 speed. It is 1.4.

edit: beaten

ncervantes · 01/05/09, 4:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rounced

Webbed Death > Sinister Revenge = Hand of Nerub > Angry Dread

Can you link sim's that brought you to this conclusion? I just picked up Anarchy and wanted to see how it compares to the rest.