Urgok

Where's the 32 coming from?

 

Rouncer

Your EP value setting. That's how EPs work. They add that much to your stats and see what difference it makes to your dps. Your EP step is taking you to the cap which is why you are getting that message.

 

Urgok

So your saying that the EP values under the EP tab are applied to the output of the program when I hit the Simulate button?

 

Rouncer

Is the message you get "EP expertise goes past cap with MH. EP expertise goes past cap with OH"

Notice the EP portion of that message?

If that is not the message then link your config file and I'm sure we'll be able to tell you what you are doing wrong. If that is the message you are getting and you still don't understand what is going on then I can't help you because eugenics is considered unethical in most countries.

 

Brynmor

Its because of the way the simulator calculates the EP values. If you go the EP range and look at the numbers, let's use crit rating for this example, mine says 30 for the EP range. What that means is that the sim adds 30 crit rating to my character, figures out how much of a DPS increase that 30 crit was and then tells me how much each point of crit will increase my dps.

So in the case of your expertise rating even if you are under cap if your Expertise EP range is high enough it will tell you that you are over the cap because its adding that amount of Expertise to your character in the simulation. SO, if you get that message when you are under the cap decrease the Expertise EP range incrementily until you no longer get the over cap message.

Hope that helps.

 

Urgok

Ah ok, that does make sense now. That still has nothing too do with the disconnect between the stated expertise value and the actual miss % on MH and OH attacks. I probably shouldn't have mentioned the over the cap message since it apparently has completely derailed the important thing.

 

Malan

Expertise doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with miss to begin with, maybe that's your issue.

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e30Birdy

I agree cause sxpertise has to do with dodges and parries and nothing to do with miss %

Any word on the new Sim yet as i dont have my lagfree comp atm i cant do any live testing so i know whether to enchant this murder or not

 

Urgok

I corrected the errors in the initial post.

 

Kaaji1359

Hey... I love the SIM BTW!

OK so two things:

1) First off, I've applied all the buffs and all of my stats, yet everytime I run "Simulate," my DPS drops by about 400-500 b/c it says that I have 17% out of mana uptime. Now this doesn't make any sense, as with all the buffs from 25mans it is literally impossible for me to run out of mana (Patchwerk for example, which is must like EnhSim). Why is it saying this, and is there a way to negate this "out of mana uptime" that lowers my DPS?

2) How do you come up with the EP amounts to add to your stats to obtain the EP values? Sometimes I think they seem a bit off... 200 AP added doesn't seem to be equivalent to 30 crit. I'm just wondering where these values were obtained?

Thanks!

 

e30Birdy

Did you put SR as first priority in your rotation? Meaning most important to use and it will only use it if you have 700 mana left

 

Pitbuller

Generic stat ep value calcualtion:
Stat EP = [(new dps - old dps) / ep step] / (dps per ap)

Slow, slower, shaman weapon.

 

Malan

That isn't what the EP step in the config file means at all. Did you read the wikidot for EnhSim that Tukez created?

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Kaaji1359

Wow I feel retarded about not putting SR in my rotation. Sorry to waste your time with that question.

Really? I thought that it would calculate DPS, then add whatever AP/crit/etc. that's in the config to your stats and then calculate DPS, and do the formula above? But no, I did not read Tukez's wikidot... I know it's somewhere above, but 50+ pages is a lot to go through Would you mind giving a link?

Thanks

 

EndallUSDW

I have SR at the bottom of my rotation. I don't think it matter so much where its placed so long as it is in there. I am only out of mana usually around 1.7% of the time.

 

e30Birdy

I have SR at the top of my rotation du to the fact that it is the most important thing in my rotation cause the fact that without many even if its 1,7% its a huge loss in dps.

Putting it at the top means it has the highest priority if you have below 700 mana and will only be used then.

I am out of mana 0% on Sim.

 

Malan

You could also just turn off mana simulation and then we wouldn't be having this discussion. (for the umpteenth time)

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e30Birdy

Malan sorry i always forget to recommend that option.

 

EndallUSDW

Hummm... still gave me .88% out of mana at best. Only a 1dps difference as well.

 

Rawrr

I have 382 hit rating so why does it say that "EP hit goes past cap with spells?" Is this distorting my EP for hit? 446 is spell hit cap. I'm using 30 as my hit rating EP range.

 

Malan

Because you probably also have "I have a shadow priest" indicated in the config file.

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EndallUSDW

All it is telling you is that you are capped out on spell hit because the hit cap for spell is 356. As soon as you hit that 356 hit rating the EP values for are going to go down. Instead of having both spell and melee benefit from hit, only its only melee. At this point start geming for AP because you will get more out of it. With an EP value less than 2.0 for any stat you will get more out of a 32ap gem than a 16hit/expert/crit gem.

 

Malan

No, that's not true at all. Stop giving out advice if you don't know basic things like that.

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EndallUSDW

Okay then, why don't you give some constructive criticism then.

As far as I am aware, raid buffed with a shadow priest , 356hit is your goal.

 

Vesham

He did, in the post directly above yours.

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