EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 61

• Caladiera · 02/24/09, 1:40 AM

Hi Tukez & Mac compilers,

I was trying to compile the 1.5.9 release for a Mac using the boost_1_37_0 and I got the following error:

error: config/no_tr1/utility.hpp: No such file or directory

When I tried using the boost folder provided in the source I got:

error: boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/stdlib/libstdcpp.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/platform/macros.hpp: No such file or directory

Ideas?

rava · 02/24/09, 2:04 AM

Proposed alteration to sim from PTR notes:

* Unleashed Rage - Reduced to 3 points, down from 5. Each point now also increases your total Agility by 1/2/3%.

Rouncer · 02/24/09, 2:23 AM

I made a 3.1 thread - please move discussion of the notes to there unless it is specific to the Sim.

tukez · 02/24/09, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by Caladiera

Hi Tukez & Mac compilers,

I was trying to compile the 1.5.9 release for a Mac using the boost_1_37_0 and I got the following error:

error: config/no_tr1/utility.hpp: No such file or directory

When I tried using the boost folder provided in the source I got:

error: boost/config/compiler/gcc.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/stdlib/libstdcpp.hpp: No such file or directory
error: boost/config/platform/macros.hpp: No such file or directory

Ideas?

With the included boost dir, you shouldn't have to pay any attention to boost when compiling eg. you don't have to download or install it in anyway. I made the change in 1.5.6. I have only tested it on my computer with Vista.

I can't tell much about those errors..gcc.hpp and macros.hpp are included in the dir. libstdcpp.hpp is not.

Malan · 02/24/09, 10:48 AM

It's from following the compile instructions in xCode. Unfortunately I tried it multiple ways, both specifying the lib path and not specifying it. Neither worked for whatever reason. I've moved on to a windows system though so I'm not going to be able to figure out the OS X stuff anymore.

[late edit] finally having a system that can multi-thread the sim is fantastic. So today I tested out the rawr.enhance export option (works well) and checked on a few things. Despite the misgivings of some toward Magma Totem, I found that with 2/3 Call of Fire that prioritizing MT over LS, LL and even ES resulted in about 30-40 dps improvement each bump upward. The first decrease in DPS was when I prioritized over SS, and that was only about a 10 dps drop. With that in mind I shifted a third point to 3/3 Call of Fire (pulled the point from Static Shock to 2/3), and was very surprised to find that Static Shock 3/3 definitely out performs 3/3 Call of Fire despite the enormous dps presence of Magma Totem.

Odai · 02/25/09, 1:36 AM

i was just wondering if i have flametongue on my weapon do i include the extra SP and crit i get into my base stats or do i need to remove the flametongue enchant them use those stats?

Rouncer · 02/25/09, 1:47 AM

remove all buffs and weapon imbues before copying your paperdoll stats

Atren · 02/25/09, 1:49 AM

Well Malan, you have to remember you are comparing ~15% damage of fire totem to all the damage of static shock. Or if you go by last point then it is 50% increase of damage (4->6 is 50%) vs less than 5% increase of fire totem damage.

Odai, remove all weapon enchants before the export. Simulator automatically adds the FT spellpower to your stats.

Raut · 02/25/09, 4:35 AM

Couldn't OSX compile ZThread? That sounds weird. It's just a wrapper lib anyway.

mathiasm@zerg:/tmp$ ldd ~/Download/ZThread/lib/libZThread-2.3.so.2
        libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00002abdde88c000)
        librt.so.1 => /lib64/librt.so.1 (0x00002abddeaa7000)
        libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00002abddecb0000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00002abddefb1000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00002abddf234000)
        libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib64/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00002abddf58a000)
        /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x0000003630400000)

Daenerys · 02/27/09, 12:38 PM

Is [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Giant Slayer] available for testing in the sim? It's looking like a decent number of bosses in Ulduar are going to be classified as giants, but I've never seen any information about that enchant and what it does/how good it might be.

Juzluu · 02/27/09, 4:05 PM

I know this is the wrong place, and Malan/Rounced are going to barbeque me for it, but I'm having a problem with Shock and Awe, and I don't know where else to post this, I can't find the Shock and Awe thread, which I thought (?) existed at some point. Anyways, I rely heavily on the combo points below the priority frame for MW; on fights that require your attention to be elsewhere, it's nice to be able to see your stacks in the middle of the screen. However, since the latest patch, the combo points have been badly screwed up, it seems like whenever I leave combat, however many stacks of MW I have stay on my combo bars, and never change again. For example, if I left combat, and I had 3 charges of MW, and they expired, when I entered combat again, I would still have 3 combo points according to Shock and Awe, and it wouldn't change, it would then be permanently stuck at 3 combo points until I re-log. I've already deleted the mod and re-downloaded it, and it's the more recent version. Any thoughts? Help would be greatly appreciated.

Broadus · 02/27/09, 4:24 PM

Every time i try to open the gui i get an error that says "the application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135)."

Any suggestions?

Malan · 02/27/09, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by Juzluu

I know this is the wrong place, and Malan/Rounced are going to barbeque me for it,

Try checking the UI forum.

rastotem · 02/27/09, 5:52 PM

my sim has gone crazy, I started getting wierd stats like:

EP value DPS total DPS difference

baseline -1339371
ap 1 -51 -1341431 -2060
crit rating 3 -132 -1342020 -2649
hit rating 1 -70 -1340778 -1407
expertise rating 3 -132 -1340457 -1086
haste rating -0 12 -1339121 250
armor penetration rating -0 14 -1339084 287
spellpower -0 16 -1338989 382
mh dps -6 328 -1336911 2460
oh dps -4 203 -1337847 1524
strength 1
agility 0
intelligence* 2
spirit -0 0 0 1339371
mana -0 0 0 1339371
mp5 -0 0 0 1339371

* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1, CritRating=3, HitRating=1, HasteRating=-0, ExpertiseRating=3, ArmorPenetration=-0, SpellDamage=-0, MainHandDps=-6, OffHandDps=-4, Strength=1, Agility=0, Intellect=2, Spirit=-0, Mana=-0, Mp5=-0 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?C...1&arp=-0&Exp=3

elapsed simulation time: 11000h
elapsed real time: 17s
simulation speed: 2287430x

Thing is.. I didn't change anything, any ideas?

Zanpaku · 02/27/09, 7:42 PM

I got some questions, that bother me and maybe someone could give me the answers.

Here my current stats.

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         150
max_lag                         300
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    1
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           20
ep_crit_rating                  10
ep_hit_rating                   10
ep_expertise                    3
ep_haste_rating                 10
ep_armor_penetration_rating     10
ep_spellpower                   10
ep_dps                          7
ep_mana                         0
ep_spirit                       0
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    0

rotation_priority_count         6
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              MW4_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              MT
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              LL

miss                            9.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           7700
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               
shadow_resistance               

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   0
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            snapper_extreme
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.06
oh_crit                         32.06
mh_hit                          10.77
oh_hit                          10.77
mh_expertise_rating             209
oh_expertise_rating             209
ap                              3849
haste                           3.6
armor_penetration               4.42
str                             131
agi                             804
int                             521
spi                             155
spellpower                      1154
spell_crit                      24.81
spell_hit                       13.46
max_mana                        9876
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        fury_of_the_five_flights

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Here the output.

MH:
miss                208445         8.99%
dodge               5808           0.25%
glancing            575122         24.81%
hit                 442295         19.08%
crit                1086747        46.87%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.69%
procs/swings        15.36%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2389           0.29%
hit                 415508         49.81%
crit                416223         49.90%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               988            0.25%
hit                 198191         50.05%
crit                196797         49.70%

OH:
miss                216645         8.98%
dodge               6027           0.25%
glancing            598208         24.79%
hit                 462323         19.16%
crit                1129600        46.82%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1632285        54.10%
crit                1384709        45.90%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               962            0.24%
hit                 198166         50.17%
crit                195860         49.59%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 256740         54.06%
crit                218173         45.94%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1149           0.26%
hit                 217533         50.12%
crit                215304         49.61%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 321023         54.18%
crit                271508         45.82%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 45.02

flurry uptime                  88.71%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.29%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              40.28%
oh enchant uptime              35.47%
trinket1 uptime                20.56%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      -1.#J%
mp5                 0.00      -1.#J%
replenishment       0.00      -1.#J%
unrelenting storm   0.00      -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      -1.#J%
shamanistic rage    0.00      -1.#J%
mana potion         0.00      -1.#J%
misc potion         0.00      -1.#J%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2163.28   34.08%    78.85
windfury            955.78    15.06%    6.95
flametongue         520.48    8.2%      50.28
stormstrike         417.24    6.57%     6.60      36.36     18.98%
lava lash           230.44    3.63%     7.23      14.04     7.33%
magma totem         528.93    8.33%     2.89      53.69     28.02%
earth shock         543.67    8.57%     7.92      30.03     15.68%
lightning bolt      987.09    15.55%    9.88      57.47     29.99%

DPS                 6346.91
MPS                 191.59
MP2min              22991.26
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.06s
simulation speed: 1175702x

First of all before i start with my questions, i've to excuse for my bad grammar, because english isnt my native language.

ok here we go.
When i play arround with the sim...

1. why is totem of hex the best choice for me, when everyone claims the opposite.
2. why does the current windfury glyph do more dps than any other choice like LB, LS or LL
3. why do i make more dps ,ingame and in the sim, with a slow offhand (like 3.3k dps selfbuffed at heroic doll) instead of webbed death ( 3.2k dps)
4. why do i get such strange numbers, when i have Bandits Insignia equipped

white               2076.75   -0.43%    78.85
windfury            923.60    -0.18%    6.95
flametongue         507.46    -0.1%     50.28
stormstrike         400.40    -0.07%    6.60      36.35     18.99%
lava lash           221.33    -0.04%    7.23      14.03     7.33%
magma totem         519.90    -0.1%     2.89      53.69     28.05%
earth shock         531.75    -0.1%     7.92      29.93     15.63%
lightning bolt      959.61    -0.19%    9.86      57.42     30.00%
misc                -482901.69101.29%   1.23

I hope u can help me, cause atm i dunno who i can trust or if the sim isnt reliable.

Aximous · 02/27/09, 9:22 PM

1, 2 I'm having the same results about those, and I'm not sure where did you get that everyone is claiming that hex is the wrong totem, never seen someone saying stuff like that. 4. you're missing arcane resistance from the config file and BI does arcane damage.

Duscha · 02/28/09, 1:11 AM

I'm always looking for the best gear set available and I want you to help me if anything out could beat this:

[Valorous Earthshatter Faceguard]: [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Arcanum of Torment]
[Favor of the Dragon Queen]: [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderguards]: [Greater Inscription of the Axe], [Precise Dragon's Eye]
[Drape of the Deadly Foe]: Major Agility
[Valorous Earthshatter Chestguard]: Powerful Stats, [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Rigid Dragon's Eye]
[Slime Stream Bands]: Greater Assault, [Rigid Dragon's Eye], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Frosted Adroit Handguards]: [Bright Scarlet Ruby], Crusher
[Torn Web Wrapping]: [Eternal Belt Buckle], [Precise Scarlet Ruby]
[Valorous Earthshatter War-Kilt]: [Icescale Leg Armor], [Precise Scarlet Ruby], [Pristine Monarch Topaz]
[Boots of the Renewed Flight]: Icewalker
[Surge Needle Ring], [Ring of Invincibility]
[Mirror of Truth], [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]
[Calamity's Grasp]: Berserking
[The Stray]: Berserking
[Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability]

The summarized set can be found here: Chardev.

explanatory notes:

- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.
- Otherwise I have few haste as possible taken. As a result the windfury damage increases rapidly.
- Already pre patch 3.01 [The Stray] is simmed BiS for me.

Here the stats.

simulation_time                 15000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         25
max_lag                         50
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       500
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    300

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              MT
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              ES
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR
rotation_priority8              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.25
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          143.5
mh_crit                         34.5
oh_crit                         34.5
mh_hit                          11.28
oh_hit                          11.28
mh_expertise_rating             205
oh_expertise_rating             205
ap                              3762
haste                           3.63
armor_penetration               4.4
str                             135
agi                             901
int                             463
spi                             155
spellpower                      1129
spell_crit                      25.75
spell_hit                       14
max_mana                        11060
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Here the output.

MH:
miss                3633776        9.73%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            9330734        25.00%
hit                 5575521        14.94%
crit                18790139       50.33%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.67%
procs/swings        15.27%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 6169694        46.64%
crit                7059292        53.36%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2801106        46.76%
crit                3189060        53.24%

OH:
miss                3615606        9.69%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            9287127        24.88%
hit                 5571016        14.92%
crit                18856421       50.51%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 26025732       55.19%
crit                21128164       44.81%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 2798981        46.73%
crit                3191185        53.27%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 4375560        55.20%
crit                3551044        44.80%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3466763        46.54%
crit                3982403        53.46%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 4290392        55.16%
crit                3487310        44.84%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6630135        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 48.16

flurry uptime                  95.92%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   80.60%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              42.38%
oh enchant uptime              38.00%
trinket1 uptime                32.51%
trinket2 uptime                18.33%
totem uptime                   82.77%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 0.00      0.00%
replenishment       0.00      0.00%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      100.00%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1833.52   29.98%    82.96
windfury            802.83    13.13%    7.35
flametongue         556.05    9.09%     52.39
stormstrike         337.18    5.51%     6.66      36.67     15.57%
lava lash           276.93    4.53%     8.28      22.80     9.68%
magma totem         578.57    9.46%     3.00      55.79     23.69%
earth shock         609.19    9.96%     8.81      56.91     24.17%
lightning bolt      837.86    13.7%     8.64      63.32     26.89%
lightning shield    283.65    4.64%     0.82      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 6115.78
MPS                 235.49
MP2min              28258.52
MRPS                9.11
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 15000.00h
elapsed real time: 20.56s
simulation speed: 2626203x

Rouncer · 02/28/09, 2:13 AM

Originally Posted by Duscha

- I'll just aim for 6.25% expertise even if it's not capped. I watched the dodges seriously for a long time and I made the following conclusion: 0.25% less expertise just leads to 0.1% white dodges and 0% yellow dodges. Maybe I'm just lucky, but give it a try.

Not sure if you are aware but they found that expertise doesn't really work in staggered amounts even though that is how it is displayed on the paper doll. So if your numbers are based on have 25 expertise on the paper doll but actually have say 210 expertise rating that actually equals out to 6.4% dodge reduction not the 6.25% dodge reduction that is shown on the paper doll. Which would explain your testing results so if you want the sim to be accurate then take the Boss dodge value back up to 6.5%.

Duscha · 02/28/09, 2:52 AM

I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.

Rouncer · 02/28/09, 3:09 AM

Originally Posted by Duscha

I got stable 205 expertise rating for several weeks and the results were always the same: 0.1% white dodges and rarely some Windfury dodges even on a whole Naxxramas run. Finally are 18 attackpower more valuable than the last 9 expertise. The sim can't calculate it properly.

Rarely some windfury dodges?

Every missed Windfury is a lot of lost damage. If you want to make the Sim as accurate as possible then you need to give the proper dodge value or you are just dicking around. If you want to try to take being 0.0019% over 6.25% into account then just reduce the value of boss dodge to 6.4981 and then the results will be perfectly accurate.

Think about it this way. You are talking about a missed dodge or two in a multi-hour Naxx as being a representative sample. The sim as you have it set up is running 15,000 hours for you and if you have missed a single dodge with 6.25% then the cap is higher then that. Give the sim the correct value because garbage in equals garbage out. As for whether 18 AP is more valuable then 9 expertise that really is a personal determination that you really have to make for yourself.

rastotem · 02/28/09, 8:44 AM

Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?

Dragon-CR · 02/28/09, 12:14 PM

Is there a guide to compiling the sim on the PC if we want to make some changes? Everything I've seen in this thread and on the official site are for compiling for mac.

Zanpaku · 02/28/09, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by rastotem

Zanpaku, it seems u have solved my problem, it was bandits insignia that was making my sim go crazy with all the wierd ep values, just like ur's, guess its a bug?

No its not a bug. Its like Aximous said few posts before, i just forgot to input the arcan resi. Now it works perfect. But its quite irritating how weak the trinket seems to be. Fury of the five Flights makes 100 dps more than Bandits Insignia in the sim. At the doll i get nearly the same dps, but Bandits Insignia just proccs as bad as in the sim, so...

Here my results with Bandits Insignia:

MH:
miss                208651         9.00%
dodge               5774           0.25%
glancing            577167         24.90%
hit                 443264         19.12%
crit                1083495        46.74%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.70%
procs/swings        15.37%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2318           0.28%
hit                 417257         50.00%
crit                414971         49.72%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               951            0.24%
hit                 199104         50.29%
crit                195854         49.47%

OH:
miss                217149         9.00%
dodge               6076           0.25%
glancing            599474         24.85%
hit                 460735         19.10%
crit                1129302        46.81%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1631609        54.09%
crit                1384759        45.91%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               955            0.24%
hit                 198489         50.26%
crit                195514         49.50%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 257443         54.19%
crit                217629         45.81%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1125           0.26%
hit                 217488         50.11%
crit                215366         49.63%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 320361         54.05%
crit                272326         45.95%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 45.04

flurry uptime                  88.69%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.35%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              40.26%
oh enchant uptime              35.38%
trinket1 uptime                20.56%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      -1.#J%
mp5                 0.00      -1.#J%
replenishment       0.00      -1.#J%
unrelenting storm   0.00      -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      -1.#J%
shamanistic rage    0.00      -1.#J%
mana potion         0.00      -1.#J%
misc potion         0.00      -1.#J%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2076.30   33.53%    78.85
windfury            922.56    14.9%     6.95
flametongue         507.51    8.2%      50.27
stormstrike         400.33    6.46%     6.60      36.36     18.98%
lava lash           221.30    3.57%     7.23      14.04     7.33%
magma totem         519.68    8.39%     2.89      53.69     28.03%
earth shock         531.41    8.58%     7.92      29.97     15.64%
lightning bolt      960.67    15.51%    9.88      57.52     30.03%
misc                52.68     0.85%     1.23

DPS                 6192.43
MPS                 191.57
MP2min              22988.02
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.03s
simulation speed: 1187726x

and now with FotfF:

MH:
miss                208423         8.99%
dodge               5715           0.25%
glancing            576077         24.85%
hit                 443849         19.14%
crit                1084314        46.77%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.73%
procs/swings        15.40%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2436           0.29%
hit                 416564         49.83%
crit                416994         49.88%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               991            0.25%
hit                 199194         50.31%
crit                195774         49.44%

OH:
miss                216778         8.98%
dodge               5946           0.25%
glancing            598929         24.82%
hit                 462067         19.15%
crit                1129040        46.79%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1632544        54.11%
crit                1384488        45.89%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               927            0.23%
hit                 198146         50.17%
crit                195895         49.60%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 257369         54.19%
crit                217613         45.81%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1115           0.26%
hit                 217774         50.17%
crit                215181         49.57%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 319682         53.99%
crit                272442         46.01%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 44.99

flurry uptime                  88.66%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   82.36%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              40.42%
oh enchant uptime              35.36%
trinket1 uptime                20.55%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      -1.#J%
mp5                 0.00      -1.#J%
replenishment       0.00      -1.#J%
unrelenting storm   0.00      -1.#J%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      -1.#J%
shamanistic rage    0.00      -1.#J%
mana potion         0.00      -1.#J%
misc potion         0.00      -1.#J%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               2161.80   34.06%    78.85
windfury            957.80    15.09%    6.97
flametongue         520.47    8.2%      50.28
stormstrike         416.74    6.57%     6.60      36.36     18.99%
lava lash           230.44    3.63%     7.23      14.03     7.33%
magma totem         528.93    8.33%     2.89      53.68     28.03%
earth shock         543.26    8.56%     7.92      29.94     15.64%
lightning bolt      987.86    15.56%    9.87      57.47     30.01%

DPS                 6347.31
MPS                 191.48
MP2min              22977.94
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 3.20s
simulation speed: 1123946x

Zanpaku · 03/02/09, 7:11 AM

It is 3/6/9 expertise. Not sure where the % came from. It isn't in our tooltips at the moment.

That would be awesome.

rastotem · 03/02/09, 2:06 PM

Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?