EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 62

Woyzeck · 03/02/09, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by rastotem

Something weird that I have noticed, if write that I have 13.24% spell hit chance, along with Shadow Priest debuff that gives an extra 3% hit, making it 16.24% I get the "hit goes past caps" while as far as I know hit is capped at 17%, is there something I am missing?

Your hit + the hit added in the EP calculation go past the cap

rastotem · 03/02/09, 2:39 PM

Oh didn't think of that one

, so I want to reduce my hit ep? and if so by how much? at the moment its a value of 20.

Rouncer · 03/02/09, 2:47 PM

Just use a negative value.

Panamah · 03/02/09, 8:06 PM

I must be doing something wrong. I'm trying to use the simulator. I have two rogue weapons because nothing more shammy-like has dropped for me yet and their DPS was vastly better than my blue weapons. So, with simulation I found I got better DPS with FT on both and it out does my DPS using my 130 dps weapon MH with WF (in the simulation).

So today I was playing and plugged in the values for Calamity's Grasp and Angry Dread, using WF/FT. It's about the same as the numbers I was getting on my two daggers with FT/FT. Here's my armory: Me with two knives

Am I doing something wrong in the simulator or is this just the way it is with WF and FT these days? Also, the calculated DPS is quite a lot lower than I'm actually doing on Patchwerk. I'm doing 3900ish on him and the simulator has me around 3067. I know I'm not perfect on my rotation and I forget to refresh Magma totem sometimes, so I know I can do even better.

Here's my config file with the knives. I just changed weapon speed and DPS for the slow weapon tests (didn't bother to fuss with all the stats it'd change figuring it'd be minor). Oh yes, I changed over to Windfury glyph from Flametongue too.

Thanks for your help.

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        1.8
oh_speed                        1.5
mh_dps                          171.1
oh_dps                          156.7
mh_crit                         24.81
oh_crit                         24.81
mh_hit                          12.08
oh_hit                          12.08
mh_expertise_rating             181
oh_expertise_rating             181
ap                              3238
haste                           7.41
armor_penetration               0
str                             121
agi                             763
int                             433
spi                             145
spellpower                      1486
spell_crit                      17.53
spell_hit                       15.1
max_mana                        10611
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        flametongue
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      -
oh_enchant                      mongoose

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        sphere_of_red_dragons_blood

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       -

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

glyph_major1                    lightning_shield
glyph_major2                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3                    stormstrike
ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Xoya · 03/02/09, 8:25 PM

If that's the full config, then you don't have any buffs checked, which would cause your simulated DPS to be pretty low, so you should definitely do that.

Panamah · 03/02/09, 9:20 PM

Originally Posted by Xoya

If that's the full config, then you don't have any buffs checked, which would cause your simulated DPS to be pretty low, so you should definitely do that.

I left off the other stuff, here it is:

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    0
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         3
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES_SS
rotation_priority3              LL

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 2/2
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

Curious as to why FT/FT on fast weapons seems to be on par with the WF/FT on typical shammy weapons.

Butakuti · 03/02/09, 9:41 PM

rotation_priority_count 3
rotation_priority1 MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 ES_SS
rotation_priority3 LL

There is the issue, you are only ever having the sim cast MW5_LB and LL with that rotation. Make sure to add SS, LS and SR to the rotation, something like this:

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              MT
rotation_priority5              ES_SS
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              LS

This way it's using all your DPS abilities and refreshing magma totem. Should give you a much better picture of your max DPS.

Panamah · 03/02/09, 9:51 PM

Ah! Ok, I wasn't understanding all the abbreviations. I'll give that a shot.

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              MT
rotation_priority5              ES_SS
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              LS

What is SR? LS is lightning shield? SS must be stormstrike but I figured I had it covered with ES_SS.

Ok, reran with your priorities and the results are nicely humbling for me.

Quaunaut · 03/03/09, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Panamah

Ah! Ok, I wasn't understanding all the abbreviations. I'll give that a shot.

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              MT
rotation_priority5              ES_SS
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              LS

What is SR? LS is lightning shield? SS must be stormstrike but I figured I had it covered with ES_SS.

Ok, reran with your priorities and the results are nicely humbling for me.

Shamanistic Rage. Yes, LS is Lightning Shield. ES_SS if I remember right is to ES only if the SS debuff is on.

draizen · 03/03/09, 6:04 AM

es_ss is for better use of the stormstrike debuff, here my rotation

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LS
rotation_priority8              LL

so if there is an stormstrike charge left on the mob, you shock before stormstrike, to get one charge "more".
leaving ES completly out of the rotation is running into a tiny dps decrease for me in several 10k test, just sim it for your own fits

Panamah · 03/03/09, 3:47 PM

Thanks for the help getting the rotation right in the sim.

I'm surprised to find I'm still getting that my two FT/FT daggers sim better than slow/slow WF/FT by about 90 dps.

1.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5135 (flametongue weapon, flametongue glyph)
2.6/1.5 FTW/FTW/FTG = 5027
2.6/1.5 WFW/FTW/WFG = 5042

Rouncer · 03/03/09, 6:21 PM

I wouldn't really worry about it too much. Flametongue's coefficient is going to scale with weapon speed in 3.1 and right now it's bugged on the PTR and doesn't get any spellpower from MQ. So fast weapons are going to be horrible with Flametongue in 3.1 and if the bug with MQ doesn't get fixed you won't be using FT on either of your weapon's anyway. No matter what their speed.

Panamah · 03/03/09, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Rounced

I wouldn't really worry about it too much. Flametongue's coefficient is going to scale with weapon speed in 3.1 and right now it's bugged on the PTR and doesn't get any spellpower from MQ. So fast weapons are going to be horrible with Flametongue in 3.1 and if the bug with MQ doesn't get fixed you won't be using FT on either of your weapon's anyway. No matter what their speed.

Ok, I won't worry. They're all I have to deal with as far as weapons anyway. Hopefully some proper shaman weapons will drop for me before 3.1 goes live!

Chrizz · 03/04/09, 12:35 PM

I'm seeing some pretty odd results when trying to sim my stats using the Greater Speed enchant to cloak, and without it. Oddly I'm consitently finding a measly 12-14 dps decrease when I sim with the cloak enchant rather than with no enchant at all. I've ran multiple sims for both scenarios, and increased the simulation time from 5000h-10000h-15000h. The results never vary by more than 2 DPS regardless of how many times I run it or how long I sim for, and the only difference between the two configs is an additional 1.46% to haste. Could anyone clue me in is to why my dps might decrease by increasing my haste rating from 2.96% to 4.42%, leaving all other stats the same?

The config I'm using is:

simulation_time                 10000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         100
max_lag                         200
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           50
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   0
ep_expertise                    0
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   30
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       50
ep_mp5                          10

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1		SR
rotation_priority2		MW5_LB
rotation_priority3		SS
rotation_priority4		ES
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6		MT
rotation_priority7              LS


miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            troll
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         34.14
oh_crit                         34.14
mh_hit                          11.25
oh_hit                          11.25
mh_expertise_rating             216
oh_expertise_rating             216
ap                              3814
haste                           4.42
armor_penetration               4.41
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             493
spi                             154
spellpower                      1144
spell_crit                      25.3
spell_hit                       14.06
max_mana                        11511
mp5                             95

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond
glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    flametongue_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

OnosKT · 03/04/09, 1:00 PM

It is called the Windfury Chasm

If you continue adding haste you will see your DPS increase. Using your config file as base:

2.96% haste - 6051
4.42% haste - 6036
4.42% haste - 6077
4.88% haste - 6088

If you want the background for it:

http://elitistjerks.com/990992-post8.html

Rouncer · 03/04/09, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by OnosKT

It is called the Windfury Chasm

Just for the sake of clarity, Windfury Chasm is a phenomenon only observed in the perfect world of the sim. In the game there is too much variability from latency and from server mechanics to cause such a precise drop off. Easiest thing when you get a result like that is to put a negative number into the EP for haste and then use the EP values from that sim run to evaluate the gear/enchant.

trunghung · 03/04/09, 4:54 PM

Hi,

I have an enhancement in my guild. his gear is decent mostly 25-man naxx gear. For some reason his dps is consistently low (around 1600 dps or below). can someone take a look at our wws and tell me what he can do to improve his dps. Can a really bad connection hammer his dps that badly? I think he told us that his internet connection is terrible, is there a macro he can use to alleviate his lag issue? his id is lahja on kilrogg (us). here are a few links to our wws

Patchwerk: Patchwerk
Razuvious: Instructor Razuvious (his best dps 2800)

appreciate your help.

Malan · 03/04/09, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by trunghung

Hi,

I have an enhancement in my guild. his gear is decent mostly 25-man naxx gear. For some reason his dps is consistently low (around 1600 dps or below). can someone take a look at our wws and tell me what he can do to improve his dps. Can a really bad connection hammer his dps that badly? I think he told us that his internet connection is terrible, is there a macro he can use to alleviate his lag issue? his id is lahja on kilrogg (us). here are a few links to our wws

Patchwerk: Patchwerk
Razuvious: Instructor Razuvious (his best dps 2800)

appreciate your help.

At first glance on your patchwerk parse it looks like he is:
1) Not dropping any totems other than Mana Spring - no SoE, no WF
2) Only doing DPS for half the fight. He used about 1 minutes worth of abilities in your almost 3 minute parse.
3) Has no imbue on his offhand or he's trying to use a 2H like an idiot
4) He isn't spell hit capped

Conclusion: He's pulling your chain, doesn't appear to have any idea what he's doing and you should probably remove him from your guild or at least not let him raid.

(Also your question had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread)

jasonf · 03/04/09, 5:07 PM

He is using WF/WF and no magma / searing totem.

Hes too far from the expertise cap and hes lacking an enchant and the belt socket also. Tell him to replace his ap gems with expertise ones and start using Flametongue on his offhand.

Honestly though i doubt that will make up for the 2500 DPS hes lacking.

Malan · 03/04/09, 5:08 PM

I'll bet you 5 bucks that he is not using any imbue on his offhand.

← Click Here

Also what sort of stupid spec is he using? 8/60/3? What the hell is that?

nataku · 03/04/09, 5:12 PM

His gear looks ok, though he's not expertise capped. He has a pretty weird spec of 8/60/3 as well.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Not going at least 15 pts into elemental is a bad idea.

Panamah · 03/04/09, 5:14 PM

He only used Stormstrike 8 times and Earthshock 7 times during a 3 min fight? No Lava Lash at all. No magma totem. It looks like he must be watching TV or something because he sure isn't doing much of anything else. At best, he's clueless in how to play. At worst, he's going afk. You might want to have him read this: Shaman: Enhancement and he should get ShockAndAwe addon and TotemTimers is another good one, but that'll only help if he's clueless.

Rouncer · 03/04/09, 5:23 PM

He's not AFK, he's EBAY.

Jayqubee · 03/04/09, 7:08 PM

So i'm somewhat new to enhancement, but I really want to be able to get the most dps i can out of my gear. I've studied the enhancement think tank article but because of how complex stats work with enhancement there seems to be no static EP values.
So for this sim will i need a particular program to run it, and do i download all of the listed files at Downloads - enhsim - Google Code ? Sorry if im not supposed to ask or if this is the wrong place, kinda new to this.

Protico · 03/04/09, 8:28 PM

Originally Posted by Jayqubee

So i'm somewhat new to enhancement, but I really want to be able to get the most dps i can out of my gear. I've studied the enhancement think tank article but because of how complex stats work with enhancement there seems to be no static EP values.
So for this sim will i need a particular program to run it, and do i download all of the listed files at Downloads - enhsim - Google Code ? Sorry if im not supposed to ask or if this is the wrong place, kinda new to this.

Take a look at the sim wikidot, it has a guide for getting things set up. LINK!