EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 71

csarichmond · 04/15/09, 10:43 PM

Looking for help.

Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui

When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks.

Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim.

What am I doing wrong?

tz.

Levva · 04/16/09, 6:13 AM

Originally Posted by csarichmond

Looking for help.

Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui

When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks.

Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim.

What am I doing wrong?

tz.

You aren't telling us which version you are using, and you haven't posted your config file or your results. THAT is what you are doing wrong. We're good but we're not psychic, ie:we can't read your mind remotely and work out what you have done.

Bellante · 04/16/09, 6:49 AM

Originally Posted by csarichmond

Looking for help.

Just loaded Enhsim for first time, and worked through inputing values throught the EnhsimGui

When I run the simulator, however, it only give me dps for the white attacks.

Despite putting in my rotation (ticked boxes for the one's I want, and moved them to run from the top down), I am getting no yellow attacks on the Sim.

What am I doing wrong?

tz.

As Levva said, post your config, but a good guess is that you have not set a dps rotation priority. It's fairly simple, you order the abilities in the rotation priority frame and tick them off, then run a simulation. Then you fiddle with the rotation until you've maxed your dps, and then you try to do that in the game. One option is for example:

SW
MW5_LB
ES_SS
SS
ES
MT
LS
LL

which to me gives max dps. Rinse and repeat.

Photek · 04/16/09, 11:27 AM

I'm getting some weird values, simmed my ep values to see what to get on those expertise gems I dont need anymore and haste is getting the highest value, then I simmed with haste, crit and ap gems to test the dps. AP gems is winning on the dps on all the sims I did, I dont understand.

This are the EP values I'm getting w/o the expertise gems I dont need anymore, as you can see haste is getting the hightest ep value.

EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      6126.04
ap                        1.00      0.60      6246.07        120.04
crit rating               1.85      1.11      6159.42        33.38
hit rating                1.64      0.98      6155.53        29.49
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -6126.04
haste rating              1.96      1.18      6161.34        35.30
armor penetration rating  1.44      0.86      6151.91        25.87
spellpower                0.98      0.59      6214.43        88.39
mh dps                    5.34      3.20      6150.07        24.03
oh dps                    2.44      1.46      6137.00        10.96
strength                  1.10      
agility                   1.73      
intelligence              1.60      
spirit                    -0.02     -0.01     6124.60        -1.43
mana                      0.01      0.00      6126.98        0.95
mp5                       -0.11     -0.07     6124.71        -1.32

And this are the config files I'm using for AP, CRIT and HASTE gems with it's corresponding simmed dps.

AP (6223 dps):

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SW
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              LS
rotation_priority9              SR

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            mega_mammoth_meal

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         30.85
oh_crit                         30.85
mh_hit                          17.43
oh_hit                          17.43
mh_expertise_rating             146
oh_expertise_rating             146
ap                              3984
melee_haste                     4
armor_penetration               4
str                             225
agi                             847
int                             553
spi                             155
spellpower                      1195
spell_crit                      23.28
spell_hit                       14.29
spell_haste                     4.6
max_mana                        12411
mp5                             101

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

CRIT (6213 dps):

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SW
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              LS
rotation_priority9              SR

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            mega_mammoth_meal

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.59
oh_crit                         32.59
mh_hit                          17.43
oh_hit                          17.43
mh_expertise_rating             146
oh_expertise_rating             146
ap                              3824
melee_haste                     4
armor_penetration               4
str                             225
agi                             847
int                             553
spi                             155
spellpower                      1147
spell_crit                      25.02
spell_hit                       14.29
spell_haste                     4.6
max_mana                        12411
mp5                             101

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    lightning_shield
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

HASTE (6204 dps):

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    1
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SW
rotation_priority3              ES_SS
rotation_priority4              SS
rotation_priority5              ES
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              LS
rotation_priority9              SR

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            mega_mammoth_meal

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         30.85
oh_crit                         30.85
mh_hit                          17.43
oh_hit                          17.43
mh_expertise_rating             146
oh_expertise_rating             146
ap                              3824
melee_haste                     7
armor_penetration               4
str                             225
agi                             847
int                             553
spi                             155
spellpower                      1147
spell_crit                      23.28
spell_hit                       14.29
spell_haste                     7.04
max_mana                        12411
mp5                             101

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    feral_spirit
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

I'm sure there's something wrong there but I dont realize what is it, anyone realize what is it?

PS: sorry for my poor english, not my main language ;p

Protico · 04/16/09, 11:32 AM

Try running the Sim for more than 1000 hours of combat time. The longer you run the simulation the less effect RNG will have on the outcome. 6000-12000 hours is pretty standard I think.

lifewater · 04/16/09, 11:55 AM

Calculating EP Values takes excessively long for me, sometimes up to 30 minutes. Is this normal? Also is there a way to turn down the amount of hours simulated when calculating EP values? My apologies if this has been covered.

Malan · 04/16/09, 11:59 AM

EP number crunching is very dependent on your computer system so if you're running on an older computer there's not much you can do about it. Make sure you have the multithreading option turned on though, single threaded simulation is extremely slow.

MatsT · 04/16/09, 12:03 PM

Photek: You're not doing anything wrong, just interpreting the results wrong. If AP=1 and Haste Rating=1.96, it means one gem with AP gives 32 EP and one gem with haste gives 31.36 EP. AP gems should yield a higher dps.

Zaurok · 04/16/09, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by MatsT

Photek: You're not doing anything wrong, just interpreting the results wrong. If AP=1 and Haste Rating=1.96, it means one gem with AP gives 32 EP and one gem with haste gives 31.36 EP. AP gems should yield a higher dps.

What he said. remember that you get 2 AP for any 1 stat from gems. So the value of AP being one ends up being 2. If any stat value isn't higher than 2, AP will be your #1 gem choice.

Photek · 04/16/09, 12:43 PM

Oookay, I get it, that clarify all, thank you very much both of you

Lucentia · 04/16/09, 4:05 PM

in the config file, does Naxx_Melee_4 set bonus include both the +10% lightning shield and +5% flurry haste, or just the haste? i keep seeing people's config files up here with just the naxx_melee_4 listed and not naxx_melee_2

Nefastilock · 04/16/09, 4:43 PM

Stupid question, but the result for searching "elemental" got me lost.
Is it possible to simulate dps of a pure elemental build?
If so, anything I should know?

OnosKT · 04/16/09, 4:46 PM

EnhSim as in Enhancement Shaman simulator. You might be able to set the rotation for elemental, but I can't say what results you will get, as it's not meant to simulate Ele. You'd be better getting Rawr and using it for elementakl since they have a full Ele model.

• Jessamy · 04/16/09, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by Nefastilock

Stupid question, but the result for searching "elemental" got me lost.
Is it possible to simulate dps of a pure elemental build?
If so, anything I should know?

All 3 specs have rawr modules. For more tailored results, use enhsim for enhancement, shaman_hep for resto, and I'm not familiar but it looks like this is the elemental resource:

[Elemental] SEIC Spreadsheet - v3

Abusive · 04/16/09, 5:02 PM

Hey having a problem when switching glyphs around. Says the program encounters a problem and needs to close. I can run it fine with flametongue, stormstrike, and lightning shield but when attempting to switch lightning shield with another glyph i get the error. Using version 1.6.8 if you need the config i can throw that up here if I figure out how.

OnosKT · 04/16/09, 5:08 PM

Are you sure (if you are using the GUI) that it is pointing to the correct .exe?

In order to post the config: save the config from the GUI (this will create a file with a given name)
Open that file and copy the contents
Make a post here and embed the copied text in tags.

Abusive · 04/16/09, 5:16 PM

Yeah, I can run the sim fine with the glyphs I've exported over from shocknawe but whenever I try to change things up the problem occurs. Here's the config I'm using when trying to switch glyphs up

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20


mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              SW
rotation_priority2              SR
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              ES_SS
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              ES
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              MT
rotation_priority9              LS

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        24.00
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        2.50
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.25
oh_crit                         32.25
mh_hit                          11.10
oh_hit                          11.10
mh_expertise_rating             143.00
oh_expertise_rating             143.00
ap                              3910
melee_haste                     ?
armor_penetration               0.00
str                             129
agi                             775
int                             481
spi                             153
spellpower                      1173
spell_crit                      25.12
spell_hit                       13.88
spell_haste                     8.72
max_mana                        11331
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        meteorite_whetstone

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_bolt

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   3/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Haalun · 04/16/09, 6:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lucentia

in the config file, does Naxx_Melee_4 set bonus include both the +10% lightning shield and +5% flurry haste, or just the haste? i keep seeing people's config files up here with just the naxx_melee_4 listed and not naxx_melee_2

Yes, naxx_melee_4 includes both bonuses. If you list both naxx_melee_4 and naxx_melee_2, it will apply the lightning shield bonus twice.

Mindrila · 04/16/09, 6:47 PM

Edit:
Ah figured it out where I went wrong... oh my ... time for bed ...

syzygylock · 04/16/09, 7:01 PM

I have a question regarding the Hit and Exp EP values with the simulator. I used EnhSim 1.6.8. My hit currently is 420 and my exp is 181 (31). Before I run the simulator, I manually lowered the hit and exp so that they don't go over cap and my hit EP is 2.7 and my Exp EP is 2.49. This is weird because I thought it suppose to get lower as we get closer to the cap.

Thanks,

Vesham · 04/17/09, 3:21 AM

Are you using a negative EP for either? Expertise should be effectively zero if you're capped. Sounds to me like you're simming the wrong configuration or you're not imputting Hit/Expertise correctly.

Luc · 04/17/09, 4:34 AM

Originally Posted by syzygylock

I have a question regarding the Hit and Exp EP values with the simulator. I used EnhSim 1.6.8. My hit currently is 420 and my exp is 181 (31). Before I run the simulator, I manually lowered the hit and exp so that they don't go over cap and my hit EP is 2.7 and my Exp EP is 2.49. This is weird because I thought it suppose to get lower as we get closer to the cap.

Thanks,

You're incorrect there. Hit and Exp hold their high values all the way until the exp cap and the spell hit cap.

That is why it is so important to use gems and enchants (and sometimes even gear swaps) to get your hit and exp as close as possible to those caps. Anything less than the cap and you are ignoring the large gains of an EP=~3 stat over the EP=~2 alternatives. Any more than the cap is a total waste of stat points in the case of Exp and a moderate waste of potential alternative EP=2 stat to a now weak hit EP.

OnosKT · 04/17/09, 10:21 AM

Yeah, I can run the sim fine with the glyphs I've exported over from shocknawe but whenever I try to change things up the problem occurs. Here's the config I'm using when trying to switch glyphs up

I can't seem to be able to replicate it. Loaded your config, simulated with it. Changed the last glyph from lightning_bolt to LS. Works fine, changed LS to something else, and it works fine again. I would suggest deleting your EnhSim dir, and 'reinstalling' it.

Also note this:

melee_haste                     ?

I think the SAA that you are using is old. (not sure if Levva fixed that anyway) but if not you will need to enter your melee haste by hand in order to get good results.

Nubittos · 04/17/09, 12:43 PM

Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 3.74093% (98.1319 hit rating).

Calculating EP values...
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated.
Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated.
Calculation 12/14: Mana skipped.
Calculation 13/14: Spirit skipped.
Calculation 14/14: Mp5 skipped.
Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated.


EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      6121.44
ap                        1.00      0.57      6235.29        113.85
crit rating               1.97      1.12      6222.42        100.98
hit rating                1.72      0.98      6209.42        87.97
expertise rating          -2.93     -1.67     6066.76        -54.68
haste rating              2.17      1.24      6195.58        74.14
armor penetration rating  1.48      0.84      6172.07        50.63
spellpower                1.04      0.59      6157.13        35.68
mh dps                    5.23      2.97      6143.75        22.31
oh dps                    2.35      1.34      6131.48        10.04
strength                  1.10
agility                   1.78
intelligence*             1.41
spirit                    0.00      0.00      0.00           -6121.44
mana                      0.00      0.00      0.00           -6121.44
mp5                       0.00      0.00      0.00           -6121.44

* part of the EP value is missing because of skipped tests.
( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.97, HitRating=1.72, HasteRating=2.17
, ExpertiseRating=-2.93, ArmorPenetration=1.48, SpellDamage=1.04, MainHandDps=5.
23, OffHandDps=2.35, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.78, Intellect=1.41, Spirit=0.00, M
ana=0.00, Mp5=0.00 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=2.17&dps=5.23&mp5=0.00&mcr
=1.97&odps=2.35&spd=1.04&Agi=1.78&mhit=1.72&Int=1.41&Spi=0.00&map=1.00&arp=1.48&
Exp=-2.93

elapsed simulation time: 33000.00h
elapsed real time: 61.36s
simulation speed: 1936177x

simulation_time                 3000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         100
max_lag                         200
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  90
ep_hit_rating                   90
ep_expertise                    -4
ep_haste_rating                 60
ep_armor_penetration_rating     60
ep_spellpower                   60
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         0
ep_spirit                       0
ep_mp5                          0

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              SW
rotation_priority2              SR
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              ES_SS
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              ES
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              MT
rotation_priority9              LS

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        24.00
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.4
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         30.15
oh_crit                         30.15
mh_hit                          11.39
oh_hit                          11.39
mh_expertise_rating             130
oh_expertise_rating             130
ap                              3665
melee_haste                     12.31
armor_penetration               0.00
str                             139
agi                             793
int                             480
spi                             162
spellpower                      1399
spell_crit                      23.01
spell_hit                       14.31
spell_haste                     12.31
max_mana                        11316
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        fury_of_the_five_flights
trinket2                        grim_toll

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Hey guys. This is my latest result and I would love some comments on the results... This is with 3.0.8 almost perfect gear and I would love to hear if your results are close to this? it is with version 1.6.8 Enhsim by the way.
Thanks all.

syzygylock · 04/17/09, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Vesham

Are you using a negative EP for either? Expertise should be effectively zero if you're capped. Sounds to me like you're simming the wrong configuration or you're not imputting Hit/Expertise correctly.

Now I used the exact stats that I have and Exp came out to be 0.0. But hit is still high. I thought that we only need to get hit to 14% or (367) according to the ThinkTank and I have 422. Did I mis-read and understand it differently? Or did the simulator thinks that I need to get to the real 27% for dual wield?

Here is my config:

simulation_time                 10000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         100
max_lag                         150
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ES_SS
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6              ST
rotation_priority7              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20/20
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   0
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          runic_mana_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.4
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         25.86
oh_crit                         25.86
mh_hit                          12.87
oh_hit                          12.87
mh_expertise_rating             181
oh_expertise_rating             181
ap                              3214
melee_haste                     4.32
armor_penetration               0
str                             133
agi                             803
int                             435
spi                             153
spellpower                      964
spell_crit                      18.11
spell_hit                       15.85
spell_haste                     4.32
max_mana                        10641
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        windfury

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    flametongue_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Here's my output:

Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.

Calculating EP values...
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated.
Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated.
Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated.
Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated.
Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated.
Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated.


EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      4335.32
ap                        1.00      0.49      4433.53        98.20
crit rating               1.77      0.87      4361.38        26.06
hit rating                2.73      1.34      4375.50        40.17
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -4335.32
haste rating              1.85      0.91      4362.56        27.23
armor penetration rating  1.66      0.82      4359.84        24.52
spellpower                1.03      0.51      4411.11        75.78
mh dps                    5.20      2.56      4354.49        19.17
oh dps                    3.43      1.68      4347.96        12.63
strength                  1.10
agility                   1.78
intelligence              1.37
spirit                    0.02      0.01      4336.85        1.52
mana                      -0.00     -0.00     4335.30        -0.02
mp5                       0.16      0.08      4336.94        1.62

( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=1.77, HitRating=2.73, HasteRating=1.85
, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.66, SpellDamage=1.03, MainHandDps=5.2
0, OffHandDps=3.43, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.78, Intellect=1.37, Spirit=0.02, Ma
na=-0.00, Mp5=0.16 )
http://www.lootrank.com/wow/wr.asp?Cla=64&Str=1.10&mh=1.85&dps=5.20&mp5=0.16&mcr
=1.77&odps=3.43&spd=1.03&Agi=1.78&mhit=2.73&Int=1.37&Spi=0.02&map=1.00&arp=1.66&
Exp=0.00

elapsed simulation time: 130000.00h
elapsed real time: 346.36s
simulation speed: 1351179x