EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 77

Geist · 04/29/09, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

First off, way to answer a question that wasn't asked. You obviously have missed all of our class developments since WotLK came out. 50% of our dps is spells now which means a SLOW caster mainhand is a VERY good option. You still use WF/FT and sure your windfury procs will be less then with a melee weapon but when you are putting 6500 raid buffed AP through any weapon it will give you nice numbers and the Lightning Bolts and Shocks numbers will be that much more substantial. Real issue is that there aren't too many of them to select between.

[Wraith Strike] always sims really close (within 20 dps) to [Calamity's Grasp] and CG is 13 ilevels better then WS. If WS was a 226 weapon it would beat CG without much issue and if there was a 239 caster weapon with a 2.6 speed it would be BiS for us until 3.2 comes out.

As for SR being so low on the priority list, he is specced 2/2 Imp SS with JoW, BoW and replenishment selected so do you really think mana is an issue on any level inside of his simulator.

To answer his actual question, I really am not surprised by those results. They don't have to do with his using a caster weapon and they aren't demonstrating that he did anything wrong. What is happening is cooldown interaction inside of the Sim. Since the Sim is perfect in it's function it lacks the flexibility of Human interaction into a priority system. It can't know that ES is up in less then 0.2 seconds or anything like that when it hits another attack so what happens is the cooldowns interact in ways that we can't really see and that is what causes the dps gain/loss. It really has no relevance and should simply be ignored. He just needs to stick to the simple principle of using your MW-4/5 as fast as possible so charges aren't wasted and then hit abilities as they come off cooldown and his performance will be, for all practical purposes, optimized. If he can wait 0.2 seconds to hit ES instead of LL that will make his performance a better but that level of attention is such that he may end up standing in the fire and Dying will take a much bigger chunk out of his dps.

ya I have ran naxx for months,but the weapon gods have not shined down upon me and I have to improvise on my mainhand.using the newest caster dagger as my stop gap until I can get a real raid weapon since it simmed well above my previous crafted mace and has been a welcomed upgrade all things considered.

so my results are just a matter of the sim being to good at what it does then.thats good to know,I mainly was just looking to see what kind of dps changes would occur by worst possible rotation from adding the /castrandom macro for SS,ES,LL into play.I've read how the differance isn't to significant but just wanted to doublecheck on my own conditions.

and yes my WF procs are less then average but it balances out nicely with Lightiningbolt as my #2 source of dmg behind white attacks,not to mention the increase to earthshock or even my magma totems tick ammount from having my spellpower buffed by 1/3 from just the weapon.

Malan · 04/29/09, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

I've had that bug happen a few times. Normally only on the first run right after it's been started up. I repeat the run and everything works fine. One version awhile back had it bad so I just started running 100 hour EP runs first and then doing my real run and it was always fine after that first run. With the current versions it's been a very rare occurrence so I haven't really been too worried about it.

Almost sounds like Tukez has a variable that isn't being initialized properly.

iconocclast · 04/29/09, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

I'll try to make it simple for you in case you really did follow that link and just still don't get it.

Expertise Cap is 140 rating.
1 Expertise = 8.197 Expertise Rating.
EP range is 4 expertise = 32.788 expertise rating.
111 expertise rating + 32.788 expertise rating = 143.788

143.788 expertise rating > 140 expertise rating = you are over the cap with your EP value.

I suggest you try entering your cap of 140 and see that even that number incurs an error going passed cap; in fact anything above 100 will error the sim.

OnosKT · 04/29/09, 4:47 PM

I suggest you try entering your cap of 140 and see that even that number incurs an error going passed cap; in fact anything above 100 will error the sim.

1. You really don't get it.

2. You are incorrect, not anything above 100 generates that behavior, anything over 108 generates the behavior. And here is the magic of why that is happening (again).

The Sim takes your expertise rating value (let's say 108 for this example) and adds to this number 4 expertise (this is NOT rating). So calculate with me

108 + 4 * 8.2 = 140.8

This number is over 140. Because of this the sim tells you that EP expertise goes past cap. And it does. It is not telling you that your expertise is over the cap. It is telling you that adding it's stepping function in order to calculate EP values would put that calculation over the cap.

Now imagine your expertise rating was 107. The EP value is 139.8 -> not over the cap, everything is good.

Edit:

You can get it to have 100 over EP expertise if your EP expertise step is 5 and not 4 which is by default.

Eva · 04/30/09, 8:35 AM

I've been using enhsim for quite some time now, and whenever i noticed a particular low DPS-figure in the output, I was able to find an error I made. However this time, no matter how I look at it, I can't find the mistake I might have made.

My problem is the white-swing and SS dmg. It seems to miss almost exactly as much as my mh/oh hit. Can anyone spot the error?

EnhSim version 1.7.0

................................................................................

MH:
miss                266294         10.53%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            630796         24.94%
hit                 442330         17.49%
crit                1189493        47.04%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.54%
procs/swings        14.12%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 410908         49.93%
crit                411998         50.07%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 192988         50.05%
crit                192637         49.95%

OH:
miss                266144         10.52%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            631282         24.96%
hit                 441310         17.45%
crit                1190177        47.06%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 1663583        52.89%
crit                1481487        47.11%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 192767         49.99%
crit                192858         50.01%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 253283         52.96%
crit                225002         47.04%

Flame Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 952            52.19%
crit                872            47.81%
dots                7296.00

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 247454         49.82%
crit                249222         50.18%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 260782         52.91%
crit                232120         47.09%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 437383         100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 47.75

flurry uptime                  94.61%
unleashed rage uptime          99.99%
elemental devastation uptime   78.14%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              41.24%
oh enchant uptime              37.54%
trinket1 uptime                20.59%
trinket2 uptime                32.37%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.18      0.08%
mp5                 17.76     8.19%
replenishment       34.80     16.05%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 8.92      4.11%
shamanistic rage    108.99    50.26%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         46.20     21.30%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               45.45     1.53%     84.30
windfury            18.51     0.62%     6.86
flametongue         567.58    19.09%    52.42
stormstrike         9.75      0.33%     6.43      35.41     13.50%
lava lash           309.09    10.4%     8.28      22.80     8.70%
magma totem         473.02    15.91%    2.40      44.65     17.03%
earth shock         550.10    18.5%     7.97      98.82     37.68%
flame shock         1.78      0.06%     0.03      0.36      0.14%
lightning bolt      789.64    26.56%    8.22      60.19     22.95%
lightning shield    207.77    6.99%     0.81      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 2972.69
MPS                 262.22
MP2min              31467.00
MRPS                262.14
Out of mana time    8.36%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 2.35s
simulation speed: 1534526x

### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    0
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           40
ep_crit_rating                  20
ep_hit_rating                   20
ep_expertise                    3
ep_haste_rating                 20
ep_armor_penetration_rating     20
ep_spellpower                   24
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    0

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              SR
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ES
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6              MT
rotation_priority7              LS
rotation_priority8              FS

miss                            9.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           7700
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              2600/2600
armor_debuff_minor              610/610
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          306/306
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 150/150
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   19/19
agi_and_strength_buff           98/98
intellect_buff                  40/40

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          178.8
oh_dps                          163.3
mh_crit                         32.86
oh_crit                         32.86
mh_hit                          10.49
oh_hit                          10.49
mh_expertise_rating             141
oh_expertise_rating             141
ap                              3950
melee_haste                     13.32
armor_penetration               0
str                             131
agi                             921
int                             552
spi                             155
spellpower                      1459
spell_crit                      26.37
spell_hit                       13.11
spell_haste                     10.25
max_mana                        12396
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_the_dancing_flame

set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    flametongue_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             4/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            1/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Peterle · 04/30/09, 8:51 AM

You can find the answer on the enhsim homepage:

armor_debuff_major 20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor 5.0/5.0

The mechanic of armor debuffs changed to percentage based.

OnosKT · 04/30/09, 11:46 AM

In any event, the net effect is that AP is valued near zero, and that screws with the EP ratios. Again I've only had it happen once, but it might be a lingering bug in the 1.7.0 release (sorry I don't recall in which version I hit the issue).

I've just had this happen to me today in 1.7.0. It calculated the baseline twice and thought the second calculation was the AP one. The second time while running it, all was fine (the output window showed 2/14 AP and then 1/14 baseline)

Edit: This should go in the EnhSim bug list obviously:

I'm wondering if people to whom this happen could say what system they are running it on, as that might help the person fixing it. In my case it's a quad core Intel on Vista. I wonder if the Quad Core might mess up the threading library or code.

Rouncer · 04/30/09, 5:35 PM

I've had it happen on my system back when it was using XP and again since I've updated it to Vista 64. In both cases it was on a Core 2 Quad 6700.

ankasunamore · 04/30/09, 10:40 PM

Hello All. This is the first time i've gotten the sim to work properly (i think) so i was just wondering if you can help me see if i have done everything right. I'm really interested to know how much better armpen is then crit, as in a recent Ulduar run my main tank was say that he believed armpen was more important then crit for melee classes with the recent improvement of armpen.

Any help/criticism is greatly appreciated

Thank heaps

EnhSim version 1.7.0

Spell hit + EP range goes past cap by 2.66364% (69.8726 hit rating).
Expertise is past cap, EP expertise test will be skipped.

Calculating EP values...
Calculation 2/14: Attack power calculated.
Calculation 1/14: Baseline DPS calculated.
Calculation 3/14: Crit(physical) calculated.
Calculation 4/14: Crit(spell) calculated.
Calculation 6/14: Expertise skipped.
Calculation 5/14: Hit calculated.
Calculation 7/14: Haste calculated.
Calculation 8/14: Armor Penetration calculated.
Calculation 9/14: Spellpower calculated.
Calculation 10/14: Mh Dps calculated.
Calculation 11/14: Oh Dps calculated.
Calculation 12/14: Mana calculated.
Calculation 13/14: Spirit calculated.
Calculation 14/14: Mp5 calculated.


EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      6026.57
ap                        1.00      0.62      6150.05        123.49
crit rating               2.02      1.25      6063.94        37.37
hit rating                1.76      1.09      6059.19        32.62
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -6026.57
haste rating              1.19      0.73      6048.55        21.98
armor penetration rating  1.65      1.02      6057.05        30.48
spellpower                1.07      0.66      6125.30        98.73
mh dps                    6.45      3.99      6056.45        29.89
oh dps                    2.60      1.60      6038.60        12.03
strength                  1.10
agility                   1.82
intelligence              1.82
spirit                    0.03      0.02      6028.90        2.33
mana                      0.02      0.01      6030.30        3.74
mp5                       0.39      0.24      6031.36        4.80

( Pawn: v1: "EnhSim": Ap=1.00, CritRating=2.02, HitRating=1.76, HasteRating=1.19
, ExpertiseRating=0.00, ArmorPenetration=1.65, SpellDamage=1.07, MainHandDps=6.4
5, OffHandDps=2.60, Strength=1.10, Agility=1.82, Intellect=1.82, Spirit=0.03, Ma
na=0.02, Mp5=0.39 )
Loot Rank for WotLK
=2.02&odps=2.60&spd=1.07&Agi=1.82&mhit=1.76&Int=1.82&Spi=0.03&map=1.00&arp=1.65&
Exp=0.00

elapsed simulation time: 13000.00h
elapsed real time: 53.39s
simulation speed: 876568x

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              SS
rotation_priority3              ES
rotation_priority4              MT
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6              LS
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        24.00
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20/20
armor_debuff_minor              5/5
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################

config_source shockandawe

race                 troll
mh_speed             2.60
oh_speed             2.50
mh_dps               171.3
oh_dps               156.6
mh_crit              32.77
oh_crit              32.77
mh_hit               12.41
oh_hit               12.41
mh_expertise_rating  145.00
oh_expertise_rating  145.00
ap                   3784
melee_haste          3.69
spell_haste          2.84
armor_penetration    6.74
str                  131
agi                  936
int                  506
spi                  154
spellpower           1135
spell_crit           23.85
spell_hit            15.52
max_mana             11706
mp5                  0
mh_imbue             windfury
oh_imbue             flametongue

mh_enchant           berserking
mh_weapon            -
oh_enchant           berserking
oh_weapon            -

trinket1             darkmoon_card_greatness
trinket2             grim_toll

totem                totem_of_dueling
set_bonus1           - naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2           - naxx_melee_4
set_bonus3           - 
gloves_enchant      - 
cloak_enchant       - 
metagem              relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1         windfury_weapon
glyph_major2         flametongue_weapon
glyph_major3         stormstrike

glyph_minor1         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim


#############
## Talents ##
#############
ancestral_knowledge       2/5
improved_shields          3/3
mental_dexterity          3/3
shamanistic_focus         1/1
flurry                    5/5
elemental_weapons         3/3
unleashed_rage            3/3
weapon_mastery            3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness          3/3
improved_stormstrike      2/2
static_shock              3/3
maelstrom_weapon          5/5
convection                0/5
concussion                5/5
call_of_flame             3/3
elemental_devastation     3/3
reverberation             0/5
elemental_focus           0/1
elemental_fury            5/5
call_of_thunder           0/1
unrelenting_storm         0/3
elemental_precision       0/3
lightning_mastery         0/5
elemental_oath            0/2
lightning_overload        0/2
lava_flows                0/1
storm_earth_and_fire      0/3
shamanism                 0/3

CroMe · 05/01/09, 9:01 AM

I'm not sure about this, feel free to correct if I'm wrong:

I noticed that this sim provides lower dps then possible when setting weapon speed to 2.6 if your character sheet says 2.48 because of 5.04 % haste. I often beat this sim in dps when I've just set weapon speed of calamity's grasp to 2.6.

If you use Glyph of Flametongue Weapon, you should add the 2% spellcrit (flametongue weapon) to your normal critchance aswell, just the same thing as stated above. i dont think that sim calculates this buff on its own. If it does i'd be very surprised.

I've set it like this:

simulation_time                 10000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count		8
rotation_priority1      	SW
rotation_priority2			SR
rotation_priority3			MT
rotation_priority4			MW5_LB
rotation_priority5			SS
rotation_priority6			ES
rotation_priority7			LL
rotation_priority8			LS

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
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spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    elixir_of_major_agility
guardian_elixir                 elixir_of_mighty_thoughts
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

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### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.48
oh_speed                        2.38
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         34.31
oh_crit                         34.31
mh_hit                          10.49
oh_hit                          10.49
mh_expertise_rating             137
oh_expertise_rating             137
ap                              3973
melee_haste                     5.04
armor_penetration               3
str                             131
agi                             954
int                             532
spi                             155
spellpower                      1464
spell_crit                      25.46
spell_hit                       13.11
spell_haste                     3.87
max_mana                        12096
mp5                             93

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    feral_spirit

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   5/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

If I'm wrong here, tell me please.

• Jessamy · 05/01/09, 9:31 AM

If you have a 2.6 speed weapon, put 2.6 in the sim. It will calculate the true swing timer based on your haste (including buffs).

OnosKT · 05/01/09, 10:20 AM

To CroMe

You are wrong, the sim takes care of both hasting your weapon and adding the 2% crit from flametongue. Simple test: Set your stats with FT glyph (without adding the 2% crit) and run the simulator for 10k hours. Now remove the glyph and add 2% crit to your stats and rerun the sim. Your crit chance for your spells should look virtually the same.

To ankasunamore:

1. Your tank is wrong. I have yet to see a situation where ArP is better than crit via EP. Your simming looks right, however I would increase the simulation_time to 10000. It will take longer but it will result in less variability in EP values. I would also advise setting simulate_mana to 0 for EP value calcualtions, and add ES_SS before SS in the rotation. Also add SW (spirit wolves) to your rotation, probably as first or second priority.

CroMe · 05/01/09, 10:51 AM

Thanks for your answer onosKT

I dont understand how thar sim works then, but well

Frostshockz · 05/01/09, 12:35 PM

Is there a way to change gear in the Sim, or do we need to manually change stats?

What I would like to do is to sim out which of the T8 and which filler piece is BiS. Just so I am sure which items are at the top of my list.

I have always just manually changed the stats within the sim as I wanted different gear.

Nevets_69 · 05/01/09, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Frostshockz

Is there a way to change gear in the Sim, or do we need to manually change stats?

What I would like to do is to sim out which of the T8 and which filler piece is BiS. Just so I am sure which items are at the top of my list.

I have always just manually changed the stats within the sim as I wanted different gear.

I think you're looking for this thread.

Frostshockz · 05/01/09, 1:25 PM

Okay, I have never used Rawr, so I will test this out tonight.

Thank you.

ankasunamore · 05/01/09, 8:15 PM

Thank you for your help Onos. I to thought that Armpen wasn't better then crit, but is there a lvl that would be appropriate? i did read in the other thread that about 150 static armpen would make the new totem worth while. Probable the wrong place to ask that, so i might see what i can find out in the other thread.

Thanks again

Sansa · 05/01/09, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by CroMe

Thanks for your answer onosKT

I dont understand how thar sim works then, but well

You're confused because you're probably missing the fact that you're supposed to put in your stats WITHOUT any buffs active. Including Flametongue weapon. So your stats would not include the buff from flametongue weapon since you wouldn't have flametongue weapon active when you input spell crit. Then when you set your glyphs t include flametongue weapon glyph and use weapon enchant-flametongue on offhand, the sim calculates the spell crit in.

CroMe · 05/02/09, 4:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sansa

You're confused because you're probably missing the fact that you're supposed to put in your stats WITHOUT any buffs active. Including Flametongue weapon. So your stats would not include the buff from flametongue weapon since you wouldn't have flametongue weapon active when you input spell crit. Then when you set your glyphs t include flametongue weapon glyph and use weapon enchant-flametongue on offhand, the sim calculates the spell crit in.

Nope, not really
I am confused because i can beat that sim in dps, if I change to normal weapon speed which should not be possible.

OnosKT · 05/02/09, 11:58 AM

Where are you beating the sim? On target dummies or a specific boss?

Rouncer · 05/02/09, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by CroMe

Nope, not really
I am confused because i can beat that sim in dps, if I change to normal weapon speed which should not be possible.

CroMe, put up or shut up.

I really want to see a WWS or a World of Logs report showing you beating the sim on a single target encounter where you are not leveraging Magma Totem by having it hit more then one target. Before doing that fix these values in your sim and reinput your stats without any weapon imbues or buffs active since that is the way the Sim is meant to be used.

Boss Armor - 10645
Glancing - 24%
Spell Crit Chance Debuff - 5%

Saabu · 05/02/09, 1:40 PM

I understand the reasons for the sim saying expertise goes over cap, and it not simming an EP value.

For using addons like Pawn, what is everyone doing to get around this? With my current EP values (expertise is a Zero) it is hard to compare items. For example, I am at the cap now exactly. If I drop any equipped item that has expertise, I go under the cap. So an item with a higher total EP value may not be the best if it is going to drop me below the expertise cap.

Does this make addons like Pawn unusable?

Quirk · 05/02/09, 2:03 PM

set your expertise in the sim to the value you would have if you were to unequip one of your expertise-laden items. when you calculate EP values after that, you will be under the expertise cap and you will be given a fair EP value for expertise.

for me, expertise comes in at ~1.7

Rouncer · 05/02/09, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Quirk

set your expertise in the sim to the value you would have if you were to unequip one of your expertise-laden items. when you calculate EP values after that, you will be under the expertise cap and you will be given a fair EP value for expertise.

for me, expertise comes in at ~1.7

No, that's a bad way to do it since you obviously didn't remove enough Expertise to get under the dodge cap. Expertise should be between 2.5 and 3.0EP in value if you are uncapped.

Two options

1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value.

2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead.

Saabu · 05/02/09, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

Two options

1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value.

2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead.

Option 1: Can you clarify how I would do this? Simply switch the expertise rating I input to a negative value? I.e, -145

Option 2: How do I 'normalize' the expertise value?

Appreciated