EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 78

Rouncer · 05/02/09, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by Saabu

Option 1: Can you clarify how I would do this? Simply switch the expertise rating I input to a negative value? I.e, -145

Option 2: How do I 'normalize' the expertise value?

Appreciated

Nah, leave the ratings you input from your paper doll alone. The value that you will make negative is the one under the EP tab where it says Expertise. I use -4 for mine since I run capped. Then when you do your EP run you will get a value for Expertise like -2.57 just remove the minus sign and that is your EP value for expertise.

As for normalizing you are just working off the assumption that you will get as close to expertise capped as possible without going over and that you will use gems to get there as needed. Since you get 1 point of expertise rating for 2 points of AP on a gem you are just setting the EP value of Expertise to 2.

Holyshyit · 05/02/09, 11:51 PM

I am expertise capped too, however setting expertise to negative values under the EP tab seems to make no difference. I have tried from -4 till -20000 and the warning message still stays and expertise EP is not calculated. My config file below

### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 12000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   -2
ep_expertise                    -4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              SW
rotation_priority2              SR
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              ES_SS
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              ES
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              MT
rotation_priority9              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        2.50
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         33.82
oh_crit                         33.82
mh_hit                          10.43
oh_hit                          10.43
mh_expertise_rating             141.00
oh_expertise_rating             141.00
ap                              3735
melee_haste                     6.86
armor_penetration               5.52
str                             192
agi                             815
int                             527
spi                             159
spellpower                      1394
spell_crit                      26.48
spell_hit                       13.04
spell_haste                     5.28
max_mana                        12021
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      mongoose

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        grim_toll

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      naxx_melee_4
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    feral_spirit

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Ultrin · 05/03/09, 1:05 AM

Hey guys, just wondering if you could help me please, I've use Shock and Awe to get the stats for Enhsim, but I keep getting a message that it can't run it as there are errors (enchant not found, melee ans spell haste not found, set bonus not found). I've tried removing, adding and replacing a few of what I think are the right errors, but I'm not 100% sure on what I am doing. Could you take a look at my input and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Thanks

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   6
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         6
rotation_priority1              FS
rotation_priority2              MW5_LB
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ES
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6              LS

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################



###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################
race                 draenei
mh_speed             2.60
oh_speed             1.60
mh_dps               156.5
oh_dps               156.6
mh_crit              24.74
oh_crit              24.74
mh_hit               10.40
oh_hit               10.40
mh_expertise_rating  143.00
oh_expertise_rating  143.00
ap                   3392
haste                3.69
armor_penetration    10.31
str                  121
agi                  813
int                  467
spi                  145
spellpower           1017
spell_crit           17.06
spell_hit            13.00
max_mana             11121
mp5                  0
mh_imbue             windfury
oh_imbue             flametongue

mh_enchant           berserking
mh_weapon            -
oh_enchant           -
oh_weapon            -

trinket1             pyrite_infuser
trinket2             sphere_of_red_dragons_blood

totem                totem_of_splintering
set_bonus            naxx_melee_2
metagem              relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1         windfury_weapon
glyph_major2         lava_lash
glyph_major3         earth_shock

glyph_minor1         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3         - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim


#############
## Talents ##
#############
ancestral_knowledge       5/5
improved_shields          0/3
mental_dexterity          3/3
shamanistic_focus         1/1
flurry                    5/5
elemental_weapons         3/3
unleashed_rage            3/3
weapon_mastery            3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness          3/3
improved_stormstrike      2/2
static_shock              3/3
maelstrom_weapon          5/5
convection                0/5
concussion                5/5
call_of_flame             2/3
elemental_devastation     3/3
reverberation             0/5
elemental_focus           1/1
elemental_fury            5/5
call_of_thunder           0/1
unrelenting_storm         0/3
elemental_precision       0/3
lightning_mastery         0/5
elemental_oath            0/2
lightning_overload        0/2
lava_flows                0/1
storm_earth_and_fire      0/3
shamanism                 0/3
unleashed_rage            3/3
weapon_mastery            3/3
dual_wield_specialization 3/3
mental_quickness          3/3
improved_stormstrike      2/2
static_shock              3/3
maelstrom_weapon          5/5
convection                0/5
concussion                5/5
call_of_flame             2/3
elemental_devastation     3/3
reverberation             0/5
elemental_focus           1/1
elemental_fury            5/5
call_of_thunder           0/1
unrelenting_storm         0/3
elemental_precision       0/3
lightning_mastery         0/5
elemental_oath            0/2
lightning_overload        0/2
lava_flows                0/1
storm_earth_and_fire      0/3
shamanism                 0/3

It seemed to work grand on v1.6.8 but i recently downloaded v1.7.0, so maybe i've missed something.

Also, when I was entering these stats into v1.6.8 it was telling me that I needed spell power, again not 100% sure what I'm doing, so it may be something really simple. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Atren · 05/03/09, 1:17 AM

Configlvl80 file that is with 1.7.0 enhsim is old and it has several mistakes in it, config file with explanations seems to be current. Compare to that to see what you must fix, it is same issue as to what Rouncer replied last page.

Boss Armor - 10645
Glancing - 24%
Spell Crit Chance Debuff - 5%

Yo! · 05/03/09, 2:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

Two options
1. Run your EP values using a negative number. Remove the minus symbol from the EP value and use that value.
2. Normalize Expertise to 2 considering you will Gem to the cap and if an item has expertise you can gem for more AP instead.

Option number 1 is wrong and misleading.
Option number 2 is simple AND correct.

While optimizing with current raid itemization you end up in Case 1 90% of the time, 10% being strange luck of getting items with heavy expertise only (Case 3), case 2 is for new 80s:
Case 1: some of your gems are with expertise
This fundamentally means expertise EP = EP of other stats present on gems, otherwise you would not reach such situation while optimizing your dps, remember that gems are equal in terms of item budget which would lead to replacing other gems with exp gems. So, if you have expertise gems and hit gems and AP gems, exp EP =hit EP = 2.
Case 2: only expertise gems
This means that without all exp gems you cannot cover cap. If you end up in this case while optimizing -value of exp is indeed >2. This also means that optimal dps gear set returned from wowhead/lootrank with exp =2 is not covering cap. You have to manually increase its value until returned gear set will cover exp cap.
Case 3: no expertise gems
This means that you managed to optimize your dps while exp is inferior to stats on gems, otherwise you would have to replace gems. In this case you can start to lower EP value for exp beyond 2 and "true" value for exp will be reached just before cap is broken.

Saabu · 05/03/09, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

As for normalizing you are just working off the assumption that you will get as close to expertise capped as possible without going over and that you will use gems to get there as needed. Since you get 1 point of expertise rating for 2 points of AP on a gem you are just setting the EP value of Expertise to 2.

If I go to the EP tab, and change the expertise value there to 2, it puts me over the expertise cap, as expected. I must be misunderstanding what you mean here.

Rouncer · 05/03/09, 11:50 AM

Option #1 shows the true value of expertise if someone wants to know how it compares to other stats. I find knowing the actual number has value to me, personally, since if there comes a time where it's value drops below another stat I want to know about it.

The person I was responding too had just been told that uncapped expertise had an EP value of 1.7 which is clearly wrong as shown by running the EP's using a negative value. Knowing the true value helps to ensure that people aren't dumbasses and stop maintaining capped Expertise.

I do like your simplified Cases though and, if it is ok with you, would like to incorporate that language into the TTT since it simplifies the concept and makes it possible for people to follow "rules" instead of requiring them to actually understand what the numbers are showing them.

Originally Posted by Saabu

If I go to the EP tab, and change the expertise value there to 2, it puts me over the expertise cap, as expected. I must be misunderstanding what you mean here.

no, you aren't setting the EP value of expertise to 2 in the simulator. You are setting the EP value of Expertise to 2 in whatever program/webpage/pawn you are using to evaluate the actual gear.

• Jessamy · 05/03/09, 12:47 PM

I think some people might be confused about terminology. The sim calculates EP values by using step values. The EP step value for expertise is set by default to 4 in the sim. This means the sim increases your expertise value (not expertise rating) by 4, and compares your dps with the new value to your dps with your current values. It then makes a calculation to tell you over that step size how much 1 point of expertise rating is worth in increased dps, presenting its findings for all stats in equivalancies to attack power. When Rouncer is saying input negative expertise into the sim, this means input a negative step size into the sim. The sim will then decrease your expertise, calculate dps with the new lower value, and tell you how much attack power you would have to lose to get a similar loss.

Think of it like calculating the slope of a function. Ideally you would use a derivative to find the exact value of the slope at the point on your graph. But if the function is an irrational plot of real world data, and graphs out pretty jagged, this won't provide a helpful prediction. So, you take 2 points on your graph that aren't right next to each other, and calculate the slope between them.

This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of armor penetration vs. dps. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly. Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.

Edit: I apologize for potentially adding confusion when my intention was to clarify. Some people were confused about what "negative expertise" actually means. Whether you use a positive or negative step size for expertise in the sim, whether your calculated expertise EP is 0 or -3, you should use 2 for your EP value for expertise unless you are far below the cap and can't reach the cap with gems. When you gain or lose expertise with a gear upgrade, you can put yourself back at the cap by changing gems at the conversion rate of 2 AP = 1 expertise.

Levva · 05/03/09, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ultrin

Hey guys, just wondering if you could help me please, I've use Shock and Awe to get the stats for Enhsim, but I keep getting a message that it can't run it as there are errors (enchant not found, melee ans spell haste not found, set bonus not found). I've tried removing, adding and replacing a few of what I think are the right errors, but I'm not 100% sure on what I am doing. Could you take a look at my input and tell me what I'm doing wrong. Thanks

It seemed to work grand on v1.6.8 but i recently downloaded v1.7.0, so maybe i've missed something.

Also, when I was entering these stats into v1.6.8 it was telling me that I needed spell power, again not 100% sure what I'm doing, so it may be something really simple. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You missed updating ShockAndAwe to the latest version. V4.33 will be released very very soon (ie: within hours) v4.32 is designed to work with EnhSim v1.7.0+

Originally Posted by Jessamy

This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of dps vs. armor penetration. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly. Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.

However given that Expertise rating is now shown to be a smooth and not stepped as previously imagined is there not significant merit in changing this in v1.7.1 to be expertise_rating ep values. The default can then just be changed to 32.

Yo! · 05/03/09, 2:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jessamy

This works great for a steadily (if unevenly) increasing function, like the plot of dps vs. armor penetration. Hit rating has 3 points where the slope drastically changes (the yellow, spell, and white caps), and so the sim warns if the EP step size passes any of these 3 cusp points. Expertise rating has a point where the fuction plateaus, any value beyond this point providing no dps increase. The sim warns if your step size passes this point, and informs that increasing expertise won't add any dps, giving it an EP value of 0. But expertise is not useless, and if you're capped decreasing your expertise will hurt you badly.

Correct.

Originally Posted by Jessamy

Thus, since EP is the slope of expertise over dps (as expressed as attack power), you simply find the slope of the function before the cusp point, which is done by inputting a negative step size.

Wrong.

The "true" value of expertise with cap reached is not the one that is just before reaching cap.
It reaches plateau with the help of gems - it becomes as valuable as other gems.

EP value of 0 = undervalued. Generated wowhead list will have low expertise, thus forcing exp value to rise in next iteration.
EP value of 2.7 or whatever is calculated with negative step = overvalued, Generated wowhead list will offer too much expertise, which will lead to replacing exp gems with ap gems which contradicts their pretended higher value.
EP value of 2 allows preservation of the cap and allows focusing on other stats.

Cheysuli · 05/04/09, 4:22 AM

In v1.7.0 108 expertise rating with unleashed rage 3/3 makes enhsim think that it is over cap. Still calculating EP gives positive values for expertise rating.

Levva · 05/04/09, 7:54 AM

Originally Posted by Cheysuli

In v1.7.0 108 expertise rating with unleashed rage 3/3 makes enhsim think that it is over cap. Still calculating EP gives positive values for expertise rating.

Good grief not another one. Tukez I think you need to change the wording. How about...

"If you include the EP step value your expertise will go over the cap"

and of course just replace expertise for MH hit rating, and OH hit rating. If they are clueless enough to be over the cap even without the EP step values then this should be a

"Even before including the EP step values your expertise is over the cap, recommend setting the EP step to a negative value"

Raut · 05/04/09, 9:43 AM

I've been meaning to write a stub to the enhance TTT about exp, hit and EP but Yo! sums it up nicely.

The negative exp thing people do in the sim is only usable to prove that exp still is a superior stat to cap. Same with hit(spell softcap). For lootrank or wowhead you should always insert exp and hit as value=2 as Yo! explains. Using the actual EP value of exp is only usable when your gear is terrible and you are looking for gear to get closer to the cap. If using the actual EP value after reaching the cap, you inflate poor items with a lot of exp or poor gear with a lot of sockets. Same goes for hit.

Don't recommend setting exp to a negative value. Instead suggest to use the value 2 for reference when browsing gear sites. We're talking after reaching the cap here and thus a negative value is misleading.

Flannelfoot · 05/04/09, 2:09 PM

I'm having EnhSim crash whenever I try to calculate EP values. It gets as far as '6/14 Expertise skipped' and then crashes when trying to do the calculations for 7/14 (which i cannot for the life of me remember what is). All simulations however run without any problems at all. I have a fresh download of EnhSim 1.7.0 and the gui is linked to the correct enhsim.exe file. I have experimented with different ep steps on the various stats but I always get the same problem.

Here is a copy of my config file:

### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         100
max_lag                         200
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   20
ep_expertise                    2
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      0
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES_SS
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              ES
rotation_priority5              LL
rotation_priority6              SW
rotation_priority7              MT
rotation_priority8              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 165/165
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/51
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   0
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         31.49
oh_crit                         31.49
mh_hit                          10.37
oh_hit                          10.37
mh_expertise_rating             140
oh_expertise_rating             140
ap                              3826
melee_haste                     9.32
armor_penetration               10.64
str                             131
agi                             795
int                             511
spi                             155
spellpower                      1147
spell_crit                      26.30
spell_hit                       12.96
spell_haste                     7.17
max_mana                        11781
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
oh_enchant                      3789

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        45286
trinket2                        40684

totem                           40322

set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    feral_spirit
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            1/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Any insight as to what is causing this problem is greatly appreciated.

OnosKT · 05/04/09, 2:56 PM

Are you running on Windows 7 by any chance? I have been having a similar issue recently on my Beta 7 install, where 1.7.0 crashes when it runs the first two EP values (sim works fine)

Eathir · 05/04/09, 3:01 PM

I'm having some issues with reconciling with the output I get from EnhSim and was basicly wondering if something is wrong with the input. I seem to be getting very high values for hitrating, past spell hit cap (ranging from 2.9-3.1) where I'd expect to get values a bit below 2 atleast.

Outputfile for EP calc:

EP                        value     DPS       total DPS      difference

baseline                                      2960.24
ap                        1.00      0.36      3031.61        71.37
crit rating               2.03      0.72      2981.92        21.68
hit rating                3.00      1.07      2992.40        32.16
expertise rating          0.00      0.00      0.00           -2960.24
haste rating              1.80      0.64      2979.55        19.31
armor penetration rating  1.56      0.56      2976.96        16.72
spellpower                1.05      0.37      3016.22        55.98
mh dps                    5.38      1.92      2974.65        14.41
oh dps                    2.52      0.90      2966.99        6.75
strength                  1.00      
agility                   1.65      
intelligence              1.52

this is the config file related to the above outputfile:

simulation_time                 6000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         120
max_lag                         140
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         0
ep_spirit                       0
ep_mp5                          0

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         9
rotation_priority1              SW
rotation_priority2              SR
rotation_priority3              MW5_LB
rotation_priority4              ES_SS
rotation_priority5              SS
rotation_priority6              ES
rotation_priority7              LL
rotation_priority8              MT
rotation_priority9              LS

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/51
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   0
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_relentless_assault
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            fish_feast

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2,6
oh_speed                        2,6
mh_dps                          178.8
oh_dps                          143.5
mh_crit                         31.22
oh_crit                         31.22
mh_hit                          10.77
oh_hit                          10.77
mh_expertise_rating             143
oh_expertise_rating             143
ap                              3667
melee_haste                     11.81
armor_penetration               6.58
str                             129
agi                             868
int                             527
spi                             153
spellpower                      1100
spell_crit                      25.24
spell_hit                       13.46
spell_haste                     9.09
max_mana                        12021
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
oh_enchant                      3789

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        44253
trinket2                        40684

totem                           40267

set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    lightning_shield
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

It appears that trinkets/weapon enchants aint being written out as anything but numbers (DMG + MoT and Berserking enchants on both MH and OH)

OnosKT · 05/04/09, 3:22 PM

Um, you are not spell hit capped:

13.46 + 3.00 (misery) = 16.46 < 17.00 (spell hit cap). As such it is normal that your hit will have a fairly high value (Simply changing my hit to 13.46 puts me at 2.49 EP for hit from 1.40ish)

As for numbers - those are fine, I think they represent wowhead IDs and the sim treats them correctly.

Utters · 05/04/09, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by OnosKT

Um, you are not spell hit capped:

13.46 + 3.00 (misery) = 16.46 < 17.00 (spell hit cap). As such it is normal that your hit will have a fairly high value (Simply changing my hit to 13.46 puts me at 2.49 EP for hit from 1.40ish)

As for numbers - those are fine, I think they represent wowhead IDs and the sim treats them correctly.

He appears to be alliance which would provide him with a free 1% hit which should cover the difference.

Eathir · 05/04/09, 6:55 PM

Do I somehow need to add the 1% extra spellhit from racials? I assumed it got added through the race being chosen but that could be the cause.

Flannelfoot · 05/04/09, 7:29 PM

Originally Posted by OnosKT

Are you running on Windows 7 by any chance? I have been having a similar issue recently on my Beta 7 install, where 1.7.0 crashes when it runs the first two EP values (sim works fine)

Nope, running vista 64.

Levva · 05/04/09, 8:30 PM

Originally Posted by Eathir

I'm having some issues with reconciling with the output I get from EnhSim and was basicly wondering if something is wrong with the input. I seem to be getting very high values for hitrating, past spell hit cap (ranging from 2.9-3.1) where I'd expect to get values a bit below 2 atleast.

this is the config file related to the above outputfile:

mh_speed                        2,6
oh_speed                        2,6

The 2,6 will cause a problem it needs to be 2.6!!

Mengus · 05/04/09, 10:41 PM

I think our EU bretheren aren't used to using decimal points.

Just a hint, when a new version comes out, try using the default config file first to do any calculations/simulations. If the default config file works fine, then something you're adding is screwing up the sim.

I generally will make a copy, and edit that with my current values, as much as it sucks to reenter data, sometimes it's safer.

OnosKT · 05/04/09, 11:43 PM

Actually I have tried on mine and the 2,6 seems to work fine.

Eathir · 05/05/09, 2:31 AM

I'll rerun it with . rather then , for the values, I assumed the problem wouldnt be there as those values got taken straight from Rawr's export function.

Eathir · 05/05/09, 3:22 AM

okies, just did a rerun of my sim using 2.6 rather then 2,6 as base weaponspeed, it does still provide the same results.