EnhSim, DPS simulator - Page 88

Ruga · 06/19/09, 6:53 AM

Originally Posted by tortugapir8

New version 1.7.0.3 compiled and available at:

http://www.apatheia.org/download/enhsim.exe
MD5 Hash: F65AEF34965BAC370D22C4894958C761

This version nails down the armor penetration bugs and damage reduction formulas.

Thanks for that!

I noticed that the "Unknown Trinket: xyz" message is gone for Mjolnir Runestone (45931) and Blood of the Old God (45522).
Is it right to assume that they've been implemented or did you just disable that output?

Peterle · 06/19/09, 6:59 AM

Originally Posted by tortugapir8

This build is based on the 1.7.0 source and contains the following modifications:
Added support for the following trinkets: Dark Matter, Blood of the Old God, Mjolnir, and the Elemental Focus Stone

Updated Armor Penetration formula (exact changes can be seen above)

They are implemented.

tortugapir8 · 06/19/09, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by Malan

Verges are you still unable to get your version of the source compiled with the multi-threading enabled?

Yeah, I'm still not getting ZTHREADS to work, I'll have to spend some more time on this one. I'm also having troubles getting it to work in DEBUG aka combat log mode as well. Stupid C++

Levva · 06/19/09, 9:53 AM

I've created a new site where users can post tickets and discussions about the new builds of EnhSim. I'll need to grant Verges access once he gets back to me on his user account. The plan is to host this branch and keep EnhSim alive until either Tukez returns and is willing to maintain the original or the Java version is stable and available for public use.

The new site is EnhSim - Home the latest v1.7.0.3 packaged with GUI & default config file is available for download there.

NB. The gui is the original Tukez version as we don't have the source for it. So its unlikely to ever get updated. This is only important so far as the drop downs are concerned they don't have the new trinkets. However typing in the item ID or using ShockAndAwe/Rawr exports will work just fine.

Rawrr · 06/19/09, 2:39 PM

I selected the naxx melee and worldbreaker set bonuses on the gui, but I'm getting the message, "Set bonus not found". What's wrong with this?

kelben · 06/20/09, 8:36 PM

I'm having a bit of issue when running the enhance sim, its giving a huge value for intell - 5-28 ep value and I cannot figure out why for the life of me, I've been through the sim repeated and I cannot figure it out. Any suggestions on why it is extremely overrating intell?

Rani · 06/20/09, 8:54 PM

Originally Posted by kelben

I'm having a bit of issue when running the enhance sim, its giving a huge value for intell - 5-28 ep value and I cannot figure out why for the life of me, I've been through the sim repeated and I cannot figure it out. Any suggestions on why it is extremely overrating intell?

Uncheck the box "simulate mana"

Staticus · 06/21/09, 10:32 AM

Putting SR to the top of the priority list will solve the int problem.

Levva · 06/21/09, 2:32 PM

I've uploaded a new EnhSim v1.7.0.3b.zip to EnhSim - Release: V1.7.0.3b the major new addition to the zip is a pre-compiled Mac version for all you Mac users out there. Let me know how you get on using it.

Totentanz · 06/23/09, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

I've uploaded a new EnhSim v1.7.0.3b.zip to EnhSim - Release: V1.7.0.3b the major new addition to the zip is a pre-compiled Mac version for all you Mac users out there. Let me know how you get on using it.

the Mac binary does'nt work.
BTW, Sekhem_FM/dankitymao should publish soon an 1.7.3 updated version of ienhsim - Google Code

Levva · 06/23/09, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Totentanz

the Mac binary does'nt work.

Many thanks for the detailed and informative post giving full diagnostic information to enable me to fix the problem. Seriously mate what do you expect me to do with that info?

bobxii · 06/23/09, 1:13 PM

Double clicking:

Administrator$ /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim ; exit;
-bash: /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim: cannot execute binary file
logout

[Process completed]

From Terminal:

kyle-2:~ Administrator$ cd /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1 
kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$ ./EnhSim
-bash: ./EnhSim: cannot execute binary file
kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$

PPC G5x2

Totentanz · 06/23/09, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

Many thanks for the detailed and informative post giving full diagnostic information to enable me to fix the problem. Seriously mate what do you expect me to do with that info?

check the size of the executable (8K) before publishing it?

Levva · 06/23/09, 6:50 PM

Originally Posted by bobxii

Double clicking:

Administrator$ /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim ; exit;
-bash: /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1/EnhSim: cannot execute binary file
logout

[Process completed]

From Terminal:

kyle-2:~ Administrator$ cd /Volumes/Scratch/Downloads/EnhSim-v1 
kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$ ./EnhSim
-bash: ./EnhSim: cannot execute binary file
kyle-2:EnhSim-v1 Administrator$

PPC G5x2

PPC G5x2 means nothing to me. I'm vaguely aware that Macs have different processors. Would the information that it was compiled on a MacBook help? Does this mean its Intel only? If so I'll update the site to indicate this.

bobxii · 06/24/09, 12:31 AM

PPC means PowerPC, as in not Intel (like the Macbook has); however the application info states that it is a "Universal" app (meaning dual executables, one for each architecture), so it should run on PowerPC just fine.

Why it doesn't, I have no idea.

eikons · 06/24/09, 10:34 AM

This has been bothering be for a while now. I have not read all 2k+ posts in this thread so it might have been dealt with.

It's already been said that Rawr is overvaluing the SP stat (link) and thus shows Wraith Strike as a very good weapon while it might not be. I was eager to try this out so I did, but not without using EnhSim to check it. I expected EnhSim to clearly show this was not the case, but it did the opposite. It gives me a DPS increase of roughly 160 dps ABOVE Golden Saronite Dragon.(And basically all other known viable MH's)

Here's the rawr exports I used:

Wraith Strike:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            troll
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          90.0
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         29.00
oh_crit                         29.00
mh_hit                          13.97
oh_hit                          13.97
mh_expertise_rating             112
oh_expertise_rating             112
ap                              3651
melee_haste                     16.06
armor_penetration               2.52
str                             131
agi                             829
int                             540
spi                             154
spellpower                      1556
spell_crit                      21.58
spell_hit                       17.46
spell_haste                     12.35
max_mana                        12216
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        40684
trinket2                        45286

totem                           40322
set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 0/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0.0/3.0
haste_buff                      0.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

combat_length                   6.00

Result: 3186.77 DPS

And with Golden Saronite Dragon:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            troll
mh_speed                        2.7
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          188.1
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         28.71
oh_crit                         28.71
mh_hit                          15.31
oh_hit                          15.31
mh_expertise_rating             112
oh_expertise_rating             112
ap                              3734
melee_haste                     16.25
armor_penetration               2.52
str                             131
agi                             861
int                             497
spi                             154
spellpower                      1120
spell_crit                      20.64
spell_hit                       19.14
spell_haste                     12.50
max_mana                        11571
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        40684
trinket2                        45286

totem                           40322
set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 0/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0.0/3.0
haste_buff                      0.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast

combat_length                   6.00

Result: 3082.91 DPS

Am I dealing with a known issue, a bug, or is Wraith Strike actually a viable MH weapon?
I am using Rawr 2.2.7 and EnhSim 1.7.0

Thanks.

OnosKT · 06/24/09, 11:26 AM

Does the sim by any chance show that you are mana starved? Because that would explain what you are seeing.

Disable simulate mana if that is the case.

eikons · 06/24/09, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by OnosKT

Does the sim by any chance show that you are mana starved? Because that would explain what you are seeing.

Disable simulate mana if that is the case.

I have ran the sim with and without mana simulation. Obtained similar results - The ones posted in my previous post are in fact the ones where mana simulation was checked off.

Levva · 06/24/09, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by eikons

Am I dealing with a known issue, a bug, or is Wraith Strike actually a viable MH weapon?
I am using Rawr 2.2.7 and EnhSim 1.7.0

Thanks.

Rawr.Enhance v2.2.7 needs to be patched to v2.2.7.19935 please see Rawr.Enhance - Enhancement Shaman DPS calculator for details and patch download. This fixes a GCD haste issue where haste is wildly overvalued in certain situations.

V2.2.7 implements GCD interference model which has fixed the Wraith strike issue. In posting your config you completely neglected to either post the whole config so that people could run the sim and confirm your results or post the results for us to check. You need to post the key part of the config that isn't part of the export so that we can see what might be wrong. You also are using an out of date version of EnhSim, the current version is 1.7.0.3 and is available at EnhSim - Home

OnosKT · 06/24/09, 12:50 PM

Hm, I think there is an issue with the way your rotation is defined. Using your configs I get:

5236 DPS - strike
5377 DPS for GSD

So could you post your rotation settings?

Rouncer · 06/24/09, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by OnosKT

Hm, I think there is an issue with the way your rotation is defined. Using your configs I get:

5236 DPS - strike
5377 DPS for GSD

So could you post your rotation settings?

That's a 141 dps upgrade from a single slot. I just ran the two in Enhsim and ended up with a 130 dps upgrade switching from Wrath to GSD so seems pretty much as expected.

eikons · 06/24/09, 1:40 PM

Thank you for your quick responses!

I have updated Rawr.Enhance to v2.2.7.19935 already. I neglected to mention that as it was not very relevant to the question at the end of my post. The position Wraith Strike takes in the list is the almost the same as it was in v2.2.7 - although some PvP weapons and Calamity slipped back above it with a minor margin.

As for the Simulator, I've updated it to 1.7.0.3b. I was not aware there was a new version as the gui links to EnhSim: Downloads where the updated version is not (yet) posted.

The updated EnhSim seems to work correctly, although I still find it surprising how "well" Wraith competes considering it being an SP weapon.

Here's all settings I use btw. I've overwritten the old version So I can't say what the settings were on my previous test, surely I've done something very wrong.

### Saved by version 1.7.0 of EnhSimGUI

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        1
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    1
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       750
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2 		ES_SS
rotation_priority3 		SS
rotation_priority4 		ES
rotation_priority5 		MT
rotation_priority6 		LL
rotation_priority7 		SR
rotation_priority8 		SW 

miss                            8.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        24.0
armor                           10645
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/687
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 0/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0/3.0
haste_buff                      0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/51
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   0
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               0
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            troll
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         29.92
oh_crit                         29.92
mh_hit                          13.97
oh_hit                          13.97
mh_expertise_rating             128
oh_expertise_rating             128
ap                              3778
melee_haste                     13.08
armor_penetration               2.52
str                             131
agi                             865
int                             497
spi                             154
spellpower                      1133
spell_crit                      21.80
spell_hit                       17.46
spell_haste                     10.06
max_mana                        11571
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
oh_enchant                      3789

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        45286
trinket2                        40684

totem                           40322

set_bonus1                      naxx_melee_2
set_bonus2                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -

glyph_major1                    flametongue_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Anyways thank you again for your quick responses and awesome work on EnhSim/Rawr!

Rouncer · 06/24/09, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by eikons

although I still find it surprising how "well" Wraith competes considering it being an SP weapon.

Spellpower weapons have always been good if they are the proper speed since speed matters a lot more then weapon dps especially on a mainhand.

My EP values for mainhand weapon dps is around 5.3 but my EP value for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed is over 700. If Blizzard gave us a 232 caster dps claw with a 2.7 speed I would bet large sums of gold that it would beat the crap outta GSD even though it would be 7 ilevels below it. Wrathstrike is basically equal to Calamity's Grasp even though CG is 13 ilevels better. Please keep all of that in mind before disparaging SP weapons.

hozzer · 06/24/09, 6:20 PM

Originally Posted by Rouncer

My EP values for mainhand weapon dps is around 5.3 but my EP value for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed is over 700.

Are you sure you didn't slip a decimal point there? I got around 70 EP for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed and use 700 as the value for 1 weapon speed in lootrank.

Rouncer · 06/24/09, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by hozzer

Are you sure you didn't slip a decimal point there? I got around 70 EP for 0.1 mainhand weapon speed and use 700 as the value for 1 weapon speed in lootrank.

eh, I might of. I've updated my values for lootrank months ago and have 700 listed in it so it indeed may be 70 per 0.1 and not 700. Point still stands though as having that caster weapon at a 2.6 speed is what really matters in making it viable for enhancement.

If weapon speed is a constant then we are left evaluating the other stats.

WS
90.3 dps
461 spellpower

vs

CG
171.3 dps
98 AP

81dps difference = 429.3 EP
461 - 98 = 363 EP

putting CG at 66.3 EP over WS

Actual EP values I get for them from lootrank

CG = 3008.65
WS = 2953.88
(keep in mind that CG is 13 ilevels over WS)

GSD (an equivalent 13 ilevel push over CG) = 3225.93

Gimme a 232 caster weapon (7 ilevels less) with a 2.7 speed and I still will bet it's gonna be worth more then GSD. Just not holding my breath for Blizzard to itemize one for us.