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Old 04/22/10, 3:37 PM   #76
-Abakus-
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On a second look-through, here's what I found:
-Under the "Important Stats" section, SP is listed before hit. Under "Stat and Gearing - Priority", hit is listed before SP
-Under "Damage Bonuses" in the Math section, I read the following:
The multiplicative bonuses come into effect after the passive bonuses are calculated. For this example, the start point is the final passive damage calculated above.

100% * 110% * 103% * 116%

[top] 131.428%

Clearcasting


110%, Raid Damage buff = 103%, Raid Spell Damage Debuff = 116%
correct me if I'm wrong, but CC is the 110%, Ferocious Inspiration/Sanctified Retribution/Arcane Empowerment, and the 116% is supposed to be Curse of Elements/Ebon Plaguebringer/Earth and Moon. If so, the 116% should be 113%


EDIT: not quite sure why the font got so large

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Old 04/22/10, 3:44 PM   #77
 masanbol
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That math section could be out of date (it was from Bink's original article). I'll doublecheck the numbers and update it when I get the chance.

The "Important Stats" section is more of a general caster class description rather than a mathematical comparison, and it doesn't go into caps or anything. I can see how it might be confusing as written, I'll look at that soon.

(Also I'm pretty sure the font got large because you copied the header tags)


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Old 04/22/10, 4:04 PM   #78
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The combined strength of raid damage buff + spelldamage buff is 116.39%, so I'd guess it was just a typo/brainblip accidentally using the combined figure instead of the proper 113% for CoE. I can't think of any other reason why it'd be listed as 116%.

[e] Reworded for clarity.

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Old 04/22/10, 5:33 PM   #79
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The only other thing that was bugging me was the "Unknown" coefficient beside Tstorm.

I took it upon myself to do some testing on this. I took off all trinkets/ring that had procs, no CSD, respecced out of Concussion and anything else that might affect damage (was specced into Elemental Fury, however). I tried this with 2990 SP, 1005 SP, and 0 SP to try to make it consistent. No Curse of Elements, no Elemental Oath, attacking a level 60 target dummy (to avoid partial resists)

The base damage of my tooltip (and 0 SP findings) is 1450-1656, giving a range of 206 damage. Averaged out, that's 1553 base damage.

2990 SP
high: 2165
low: 1964
range: 201

(2065 + 1964) / 2 = 2064.5 (average damage @ 2990 SP)
2064.5 - 1553 = 511.5 (damage from SP)
511.5 / 2990 = 0.171
coeff = 17.1%

1005 SP
high: 1819
low: 1625
range: 194

(1819 + 1625) / 2 = 1722 (average damage @ 1005 SP)
1722 - 1553 = 169 (damage from SP)
169 / 1005 = 0.168
coeff = 16.8%

0 SP gave base values consistently.

so... Coefficient = ~17%

Working with this number...
2990 SP
max: 2164.3
min: 1958.3

1005 SP
max: 1826.9
min: 1620.9

Ok, so from this we can gather that it's a bit higher than a flat 17%. Doing the same math assuming a 17.1% coefficient seems to fit the sample data perfectly.

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Old 04/22/10, 5:55 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by -Abakus- View Post
Ok, so from this we can gather that it's a bit higher than a flat 17%. Doing the same math assuming a 17.1% coefficient seems to fit the sample data perfectly.
We would expect the coefficient to be:

Base cast time / constant * ( 1 - # extra effects * penalty )

Cast time is instant so = 1.5
Constant for AoE = 7
# extra effects: knockback + mana restore = 2
Penalty is apparently "normally" 5%, though not always (e.g. both ES and FrS seem to suffer a 10% penalty)

Feeding that through using your experimental result of 17.1% gives a total penalty value close to 20%. Assuming it is 20% and feeding that back through would make the coefficient 1.5/7*(1-0.2) = 17.14%

So as your experimental result of 17.1(4)% seems to make sense based on "the rules", I'd say bravo!

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Old 10/12/10, 11:02 AM   #81
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An extensive rewrite of the TTT is in progress, and should be complete soon. Please bear with me as there is a lot to go over and many changes were only recently finalized.


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Old 10/12/10, 11:36 AM   #82
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Looking forward to your rewrite. If anyone wants a quick overview what to do when 4.0.1 is up and running:

4.0.1 Elemental Guide

at TotemSpot has a solid guide by Binkenstein.

Thanks to both of you for the work you put into this.

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