Healing trinkets - Page 10

Aéquitas · 10/01/09, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by Jessamy

That calculation was done in a different tier of content, with different bosses, different gear, and different shaman talents. I did the same calculations with values from my most recent shaman_hep report:

For healing output:
1 SP = 1 SP (0.5090 hps)
1 Crit rating = 0.7085 SP (0.3606 hps)

Riptide_hot Rank 4: hits: 5276, effective healing: 2925579 (6.91% of player's overall)
	Overheals: (54.76%)

Earthliving_hot Rank 6: hits: 5466, effective healing: 2146451 (5.07% of player's overall)
	Overheals: (51.48%)

Assume a proc every 50s (your assumption from 2 months ago).

3572 / 50 = 71.44 hps
71.44 / 0.509 = 140.4 hep with no overheal
140.4 - 47% = 65.8 hep with typical hot overheal

111 + 66 = 177 hep

Since we're assuming mana is not an issue, compare to Eye of the Broodmother, with healing output value for crit (rather than overall value).

87 * .7085 + 125 = 187 hep

So Forethought Talisman is amazing for its ilvl, retains surprising value well beyond its tier of content, and should not be discounted. It's not the best pure throughput trinket currently available though.

If I go by these numbers then he Onyxia trinkets are indeed not that bad at least better then the combo of [Eye of the Broodmother] and [Sif's Remembrance]

Altough if mana really isn't an issue maybe it would be better to go with [Eye of the Broodmother] and [Forethought Talisman]

• Jessamy · 10/01/09, 4:43 PM

All anyone has really said here is use common sense. We all have lots of trinkets (and relics), and they're a great way to tweak gear on the fly. On a fight where I don't need to consider mana at all, I might choose Forethought Talisman and Eye of the Broodmother. On the General Vezax encounter where I need to be careful of mana conservation, I use [Pandora's Plea] and [Spark of Hope]. For an even more extreme example, I use [Medallion of the Alliance] for the Faction Champions. For most fights, mana is a consideration, but not the only consideration.

The Onyxia trinket set is a well rounded option. Don't neglect the hp5 benefit. It will have high overhealing, but try comparing it with overhealing from healing stream totem from your shaman_hep reports to establish a value for comparison.

Jarin · 10/07/09, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Rapparee

First off, the the [Forethought Talisman] is an incredible trinket. It is still the best you can have when mana is not an issue. see post [Resto] shaman_hep reports

I wanted to follow-up on the numbers for the [Forethought Talisman] just to clarify what was in that other (now somewhat old) post:

First, as far as I can tell, there has been a change to how spellpower is valued in terms of HPS at some point in July so that the formula posted is now correct (it wasn't at the time, though it took a bit of time to figure that out). If you've been keeping logs, you'll notice that the HPS value of Spell Power just about doubles in one of the patches due to changing the time basis of the value from "alive combat time" to "combat casting time".

Given this, I get HEP values ranging from 203 to 344 on the last many weeks in Ulduar, and an "estimated" HEP of 215 for last night's TOC25 (where I wasn't using it, but I just recalculated the value of the amount of healing done per second against my newer shaman_hep weights). If there isn't a lot of overhealing, the talisman is very strong (though completely uncontrollable).

For the same set of recorded raids, the Eye of the Broodmother gets me HEP values of 186 to 196 and last night in TOC25 was valued at 169.

That said.. I've been using Broodmother and am now seriously reconsidering it for Twins on sunday.

YMMV, part of the reason for these rankings was that I got my lowest ever ranking for crit last night:

For healing output:
1 SP = 1 SP (0.5946 hps)
1 Crit rating = 0.4062 SP (0.2415 hps)
1 Haste rating = 1.7286 SP (1.0278 hps)
1 INT = 0.2843 SP (0.1690 hps)

Shaman Healing Equivalency Points:
1 SP = 1
1 mp5 = 0.8936 (calculated)
1 mana = 0.0073
1 Haste rating = 1.6590
1 Crit rating = 0.5106
1 INT = 0.6249 (actual)
1 INT = 0.8121 (max theoretical)

Henhicks · 10/07/09, 9:49 PM

What you guys think about [Shiny Shard of the Scale] and [Shiny Shard of the Flame]?

does anyone know if the set is valuable? Is cauterizing heal any good? Thanks

Harrylee · 10/08/09, 7:11 AM

It seems to be a random instant healing proc cauterizing heal - Wowhead Search.

Hamano · 10/08/09, 9:54 AM

Since our guild has been extremely lucky with Solace of the Defeated drops, I happen to have both the normal mode version and the heroic mode.

I still happen to switch out the normal mode version alot for Scale of Fates, a trinket I am absolutely in love with. Mana is a non issue on 90% of the fights (If not more) and the Scale is amazing for getting the throughput exactly when it is needed.

Ever since I started raiding I have geared myself towards output, and tried to pick up as much trinkets as possible. This is purely because it is so much easier to switch from two output to two regen trinkets on the fly instead of switching your whole gearset.

I'm not a big fan of spellpower, but I don't think there is anything that beats the heroic version of Solace for throughput right? (168 pure spellpower). I might try the egg of mortal essence, but I'm really not a big fan of proccing haste.

thegreatswam · 10/08/09, 11:42 AM

Why has no one mentioned [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]? I know that its only a 213 item but its 200 spellpower and very rarely especially in TOC 25 Heroic am I not casting a spell for 10 seconds for it to go off. I'm using that and [Eye of the Broodmother] and its 325 SP for me constant during the fights that I dont have mana issues and then I'm using [Energy Siphon] instead of Illustration when I need mana but it also gives me that "On Use" throughput. I would love to get [Scale of Fates] and [Solace of the Defeated] but what do you think about using Illustration as a main trinket?

Dasteyy · 10/08/09, 12:05 PM

I have been using [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] since the day I dinged 80 practically and used [Eye of the Broodmother] since the release of Ulduar and must say I have been very pleased with those 2 trinkets. However I recently required the heroic version of [Solace of the Fallen] and I must say I am very happy with it. It makes me being able to mindlessly spam heal without every going oom, meaning that I am gonna replace my Illustration trinket aswell as soon as I acquire the normal version of Solace. This will make me able to pick up gear with only crit and haste (obviously there isnt enough pieces to do so but maybe in Icecrown).

Daidalos · 10/08/09, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by thegreatswam

Why has no one mentioned [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]? I know that its only a 213 item but its 200 spellpower and very rarely especially in TOC 25 Heroic am I not casting a spell for 10 seconds for it to go off. I'm using that and [Eye of the Broodmother] and its 325 SP for me constant during the fights that I dont have mana issues and then I'm using [Energy Siphon] instead of Illustration when I need mana but it also gives me that "On Use" throughput. I would love to get [Scale of Fates] and [Solace of the Defeated] but what do you think about using Illustration as a main trinket?

Most people don't mention it due to dps usually getting priority on it. I have been using this trinket for a long time now. Its still a very good trinket just not many healers have it and there are some better options if you have them like ([Scale of Fates]).

thegreatswam · 10/08/09, 1:44 PM

Well thanks for making me feel better about using a trinket no one was talking about I was worried that it was not as effective for healing as I thought it was. I cant wait to get my hands on Solace... would you replace Illustration or Eye of the Brood with the Solace trinket if you were me?

Daidalos · 10/08/09, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by thegreatswam

Well thanks for making me feel better about using a trinket no one was talking about I was worried that it was not as effective for healing as I thought it was. I cant wait to get my hands on Solace... would you replace Illustration or Eye of the Brood with the Solace trinket if you were me?

I would replace brood with solace. I've never used brood but I don't really see how it would be better than solace for anything (even situationally).

thegreatswam · 10/08/09, 3:48 PM

Oh I agree that solace is better than brood in every way but I was more asking is brood or illustration better. 200sp vs 125sp and 87crit basically. According to the base HEP values illustration would be more valuable as SP is only second to haste but I wanted to make sure that when I get my first Solace I should be replacing brood.

Daidalos · 10/08/09, 6:34 PM

Originally Posted by thegreatswam

Oh I agree that solace is better than brood in every way but I was more asking is brood or illustration better. 200sp vs 125sp and 87crit basically. According to the base HEP values illustration would be more valuable as SP is only second to haste but I wanted to make sure that when I get my first Solace I should be replacing brood.

Illustration is slightly better assuming you keep the buff stacked at 10.