Just with regards to the procs on items like these. How useful do people generally find them? Personally I prefer ones that give me mana back as its likely I will use it. On chain healing I can see how the haste could come in useful but you have no idea when it will proc. It could just pop in a lull in the healing and its wasted. On MT healing using Tidal Waves the haste seems to be a overkill if you are using LHW since you are stuck with the GCD anyway and even using HW its probably too much.

I would think that ones that are on use would be more practical as a panic button when you suddenly need bigger heals but as I said I prefer ones that passively return mana instead of a short burst of healing every 2 mins since again you will never know when a panic moment will happen, another could happen 30s after the first. I find that the when someone is getting killed its due to unexpected damage and not having the time for a full cast ( in which case instants casts are best) or healing focused on another target who was about to drop.

[Forethought Talisman] dropped for me last night on Grobbulus. From what I can tell after some experimentation it's got a hidden 45 second internal cool down. When it does proc (893 every 3 seconds for me) they get a 9 second buff. The massive leap in spell power is great but I can't see the proc being able to be relied upon. It's a random occurrence that for a slightly under geared shaman is a happy thing as it can proc off of any hit in Chain Heal. I've most often seen it on targets whom my heals crit on, but as of yet i'm unaware if this has any bearing at all.

With the PTR 3.08 [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] just got nerfed from 26sp to 18sp, making it a "static" 180sp instead of 260sp.

Recently I got [Je'Tze's Bell] from Naxx and I did a small research after one of our raids about the cooldown.

I did an analysis of 12 boss encounters with different length of fight and the average proc time of Effervescence from the trinket was 1:19 (79 seconds), which could lead to assumption of 1 min internal cooldown, however in two cases it procs in less then 1min (49 sec and 53 sec). So basically I would consider the 45 sec comment from Orcheon and Silverhoof as valid one.

Recently got [Spark of Life] With Shamans returning to full time raid healing i'd say this is by far the best trinket out there.
Over a night of raiding it proc'd once every minute over a total of 38 casts which makes it worth 44mp5 and supports the 45sec ICD.

However when testing it in Dalaran just on myself i saw it proc back to back. Im interested to see if anyone else has seen anything like this.

Are there are encounters where this would even be useful? I am thinking possibly between phases on Kel'thuzad, Thaddius and Malygos would be decent places to spam Lightning Shield, at least until I pick up a better trinket. Thoughts?

Requires Level 60 and still in touch with every trinket listed:

[Scarab Brooch]

If I linked that to my NS+TF+HW macro and got a 12-13k crit it would put a shield for 1800-1950 on the tank. That is assuming none of my heal was over heal. Once every 3 minutes. With no other stats. It's not a good trinket.

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Even with the nerf on the PTR, [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] still looks to be one of the best trinkets in the game. The front page should now be updated with all the cooldown confirmations and other useful information in the thread.

Still looking for info on a few trinkets:
* Is there a hidden cooldown on [Soul Preserver]?
* Confirmation of a 45 second hidden cooldown on [Forge Ember]
* Also I'm curious to know after the next patch if [Je'Tze's Bell] remains a BOP world drop or if it is changed to only drop in instances.

This was last night:

The only proc within 45 seconds is this one:
But i guess that's just server lag or something, since it's only 0.125 seconds short of the 45 seconds

I don't have the trinket myself, but a friend (priest) linked me this wws where he got 16 proccs in a 5 minute fight. That at least proves that it doesn't have a 45 sec cooldown, but i would be really surprised if it had any at all. It's value for shamans, however, depends heavily on the encounter. Spamming 2.2 sec chain heals on 4 targets puts it at ¨141 mp5, which is quite godly when combined with the spellpower. If we look at a randomly selected shaman from the same fight and look at his actual heals, he hit with 159 direct heals (or 171 if AA counts) putting it at a quite mediocre 8.5 mp5. It's quite impossible to give it a static value, but it might be something to keep around for the really spammy fights with no movement.

Right now i'm not really seeing all your mana issues assuming you mostly spam chain heal. i'm using 2pct6 and the [Totem of Forest Growth] to get chain heal down to about 640 mana. mostly socketed for int and at 580 haste i don't see why you are listing [Je'Tze's Bell] and [Soul of the Dead] as top trinkets. for sure they are nice in case you are having mana issues.

I agree the [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] being the best trinket right now but the other two i strongly i have to disagree.

I'm using [The Egg of Mortal Essence] and [Mercurial Alchemist Stone] to improve my ch throughput.
Perhaps you should make some throughput and longevity best of section, as them being two quite different things.

Unfortunately, the [Warp-Scarab Brooch]doesn't heal for 30 seconds. Once the shield has absorbed the maximum damage, it's gone. As Torrential pointed out, even with a crit from our biggest heal, the shield would absorb no more than 2,000 damage. This is a tiny amount of damage at Level 80. With a 3-minute cooldown and no stats, it's not a good trinket at all.


Thanks so much for linking the log. This is exactly what I wanted to see. Here's what the WWS shows, which indicates that the trinket is just like the one from Gruul's with no hidden cooldown. However, it should proc even more than Gruul's now that our chain heal hits 4 targets. The mana returned can vary greatly from fight to fight but it's a nice trinket since it scales with your spell haste. I suggest all shaman grab it if they have a chance since it may prove useful on some fights.

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The problem with the [The Egg of Mortal Essence]and [Embrace of the Spider] is that the proc is too unpredictable. Sure, the increased haste is great but it can go to waste. Whereas the mana returned from the other trinkets, can quite more often be used. It might allow a healer to cast Riptide (an expensive spell) more often, or frequently change the target of their Earth Shield in order to spam LHW.

The value of the Egg is the static 98 spellpower. The haste bonus is icing on the cake and I don't really consider it when ranking the trinket. However, [Je'Tze's Bell]has 106 spellpower, plus the mana returned which I think makes it a superior trinket.

However, you are correct that [Mercurial Alchemist Stone]should be on the list. I expect to see an epic version of this trinket when Blizzard releases the patch that contains the new raid content (or shortly after). If there were an epic version of this trinket right now, it would be too powerful and we would see raiders taking alchemy soley to get its benefits. Whereas, the rare-version is quite good but there are also several options available from current raid content that can match it.

You misunderstandthe wording on the trinket, but I'll admit that the wording is ambiguous. I have this trinket - the way it works, is it puts this buff on yourself, which causes your heals to put this buff on others. Basically, for 30 seconds, all of your heals will put a shield lasting 8 seconds that absorbs 15% of the heal, overhealing included.

Essentially giving all your heals a 30% bonus, better considering it counts over healing. Better than I thought, and potentially helpful for soft enrages. Still, though, it lacks any other stats and is only very situationaly helpful.

I can see Scarab Brooch being a very handy trinket for fights like Illidari Council when there is a lot of random burst damage going around. Other than something like that I probably wouldn't ever use it.

I use the scarab on 3 drake sarth when vesperon is up and we play with twilight torment.

So i am new to thinking about the big picture for shamans, I didn't start playing WoW until after BC, and i rolled a shaman, by the time i reached 70, the exspansion was well under way. And while i did get to exsperiance end game content, i never really had to look at what gear to grab becuase i just tried to get items i saw on "how to heal like a Pro"-skyhoof. SO with my nubness being stated.

how good is haste for a shaman, i have the badge trinket, but no one else in this whole forums brought up spell haste.

could somewon exsplain to me why it is not as valued a stat for shamans? Becuase i would thinking being able to cast more CH would be very useful in almost every situation.

Thanks,

Talrothis

Haste is a valued stat, especially when chain healing. the problem is that spellpower provides a bigger bonus to raw healing output, and haste also causes you to drain mana faster. You might want to check out the thread "Resto Shaman Healing Equivalence Points" for a more lengthy discussion.

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Flow of Knowledge looks like its going to be added in 3.0.8. Wowhead has the item listed at just + crit rating. Could be an easy to obtain trinket at only 25 Wintergrasp marks.

I was lucky enough to snag Soul of the Dead and after raiding for a couple weeks with it I really can't stress how much I love it. I got the Egg today after some deliberation, and while I like the static +spellpower the proc is pretty lackluster. Most proc-trinkets I've used will proc within a couple casts to start their internal but my Egg is being very shy to get it's first proc off. I like it but Je'Tze's would really be better as a static +spellpower.