Out of curiosity does anybody have any thoughts on the viability of [Ashtongue Talisman of Vision] as a healing trinket for the LHW spamming Shaman. Some quick back of the envelope math suggests that it should give a ~85mp5 (assume 1 proc per 10 seconds, and that it has no internal cooldown) which in mp5 terms is on par with some of the WOTLK trinkets. Thoughts ?

In a perfect RT-LHW-LHW-LHW rotation you get a proc every 16.67 seconds on average. That's 51 mp5 under perfect conditions which is not very good. Even with plain casting of 1.25s lesser healing waves (no riptide at all) you only get 68 mp5.
Weak.

I have most of the trinkets discussed in this thread, and use them in various situations. I'm currently half done with Ulduar 25 and up to Yogg on 10 man.
My question in regards to trinkets is this:
I use a macro to activate "on use" items such as [Energy Siphon]
./use 13
./cast chainheal rank 9

This insure's that every time the on use item can be used it is. I know it's not the most efficient way to use it, but it works for me.
That being said however, I get constant spam of "item not ready" until it is used. With all the combat sounds and vent chat, I barely notice it. But it is anoyying at times.
Is there a way to use a macro in this fashion, without getting the item not ready spam?

P.S. I don't use mods of any kind, never have never will. Vanilla wow ftw imo.

try:

It will still play the error noise but the message should no longer appear.

Thanks Rexpop, thats exactly what I was looking for.
And while I'm saying thanks, Thank you elitistjerks, and all the posters here. I can't tell you how much these threads have helped my healing.

This is taken right out of my macros-cache.txt file in my WTF config.

This is a general macro that I have saved account-wide so that I can port it to any spell I need to, on any character. In other words, it's nothing more than a template that I switch out the name of a particular spell and then re-save it as character-specific. So on a Shaman use "Lightning Bolt" or "Chain Lightning" or "Healing Wave" or what have you instead of the phrase "Generic Spell," and on a Druid use "Wrath" or "Healing Touch" instead.

This will eliminate the error sound as well as the red-text message.

I have been curious about [Spark of Hope] lately for a resto shammy. I understand that the 100 spirit does very close to nothing for us, but I worked out a type of scenario to determine the effectiveness of the equip bonus.
Let's say that with this trinket we cast on average 2 spells every 5 seconds throughout a fight. If for every 5 seconds we cast these two spells, we will be saving 84 mana every 5 seconds. Whether you save 84 mana every 5 seconds, or you regen 84 mana every 5 seconds, they have the same effect.
So with this said I am wondering if this equip bonus is equivalent to rougly 84mp5.

Also, if this is true, I cannot seem to decide between the 84mp5, or a [Darkmoon Card: Illusion] . I am leaning towards the illusion it just seems logical.

EDIT: the only reason i am considering this a question is because it would take 71 seconds to have saved 1200 mana, then the extra time of the fight is the mana saved compared to the 100sp.

According to scrusi (source), a more realistic value for Spark of Hope is 50 mp5, with no additional benefit to a shaman. This makes it an inferior choice to either the Illusion or Greatness cards. If you already have one, keep it though. It's a great trinket for General Vezax.

[Pandora's Plea] in my opinion is easily one of our best trinkets, especially on a fight like General Vezex.

Simply refreshing your earthshield when your proc the spell power bonus will have a huge impact on the amount your earthshield charges hit for. Just thinking about previous trinkets that I used the spell power proc for earthshield, it should increase its healing per point of spell power. So Pandora's Plea, is like 700ish, (could look right now but am at work and trying to type this out as fast as possible) will add a solid 1.5k healing to your earthshield crits.

Where on a fight like Vezax, could mean life or death from getting two shotted.

[Pandora's Plea] is perfect for General Vez. Used it last week on hard mode (10 man) with the JC trink for the int and a [Flask of Distilled Wisdom] and these got me up to over 31K mana. That and I was able to die on purpose when I went oom so that I could ankh up with 40% mana again. Pretty sweet. The Plea proc is easy to keep track of and just refresh the ES. ES does like 60% of my healing in that fight. Love this trinket!

For people that don't have great healing trinkets, the new 5-man on normal mode drops a 84 Int/500 mana every 45 seconds trinket (worth about 55 mp5).

It is on par with DMC:G, at least for Paladins.

I personally just proc it on CD and continue my normal healing rotation and don't really worry about 'super stacking' it. I guess I use it as more of a spell cost reduction instead of pure regen.

I guess that's an easier way to use it, macroing it together with NS, TF and even ES casts would probably ensure it's being used whenever on CD. Although skipping the superstacking isn't ideal when it comes to efficiency, the gap between the theoretical max and practical max is probably too great here.

Skimming trough this thread again I noticed that Daidalos had done some calculations regarding this trinket some way back, so thanks to your both! And while at it, thanks to everyone who keeps EJ alive!

You won't get any fewer Lhw in 3.2 from 3.1 since TW does not reduce the gcd. If I remember my original math I think I fond it was best to treat it as six says although once enough stacks are up you can add more with HST without a net mana loss. How many stacks are you actually get in raids Six?

Probably 8-10 on average. If I happen to pop the trinket during a lull (which isn't normal) then sometimes I'll toss around a few heals that aren't necessary, but I can usually plan to pop it during times that I'll be spamming a fair amount - so 12ish on the upside. It's nice when Faith pops in conjunction with it.

If the heals are not needed, maybe toss a few Healing Stream totems ?

Do [Soul of the Dead] and [Tears of the Vanquished] share a cooldown, or are they on separate cooldowns? If only one of the two can be used to get the 500 or 900 mana every minute, which one is better?

They do not share a cooldown as far as I can tell.

[21:57:03.650] Vallkor gains 900 mana from Vallkor's Soul of the Dead
[21:57:04.383] Vallkor gains 500 mana from Vallkor's Mana Mana
[21:57:54.327] Vallkor gains 900 mana from Vallkor's Soul of the Dead
[21:57:55.088] Vallkor gains 500 mana from Vallkor's Mana Mana
[21:58:46.255] Vallkor gains 500 mana from Vallkor's Mana Mana
[21:58:48.675] Vallkor gains 900 mana from Vallkor's Soul of the Dead

Log can be found here if you are familiar with running queries on WoL.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet but I noticed they buffed Spark of Life to give 220 MP5 for 15 seconds. This trinket is even better than it was pre 3.2 with the changes to CH and WS. May actually be a viable option once again until you can get to a certain amount of haste?

Any opinions on which trinket to use between [Item not found!] and [Forethought Talisman] when wearing [Tears of the Vanquished]? I am currently running at 502 haste and 422mp5 when casting.

ps - I already looked through several threads and couldn't find many references to either trinket

[Resto] shaman_hep reports

Jarin in the shaman_hep thread has some great math concerning [Forethought Talisman]

Has anyone done testing on the new trinket, Solace of the Fallen?