[Elemental] Rotations - Page 20

Shaâden · 04/09/09, 6:01 AM

You should consider to add it once or even twice in the first part of the rotation also, no ? Or maybe I did not understand your message.
When you're above the haste cap for a perfect 5*LB, the next shortest rotation is something like LB CL LB*3 CL. That's what I use for the first part of my rotation.
For the second part, I'm using only one CL (and a FS of course).

Shaâden · 04/09/09, 6:09 AM

About the LB_DPS vs CL_DPS debate, here is a message I posted yesterday answering to hundreds of chams claiming that CL did not have any interest.

Very quick translation from one of my posts :

I've taken the 3 highest elemental DPS recorded on Patchwerk25 using CL in their rotation.
WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish

WMO has a big avantage, it separates CL/LB from the overload procs.

Overload proc rate on LB: 20%
Overload proc rate on CL: 7%

Thus, in order to completely compare those 2 spells, we will have to multiply average LB damages by (1 + 20%*50%) = 1.1 and CL damage by (1 + 7%*50%) = 1.035 to include overload procs.
This corrertion avantages LB of course, mais it does reflect the reality, so have to be taken into account.

The highest elemental using CL:
Avg LB: 4386 * 1.1 = 4825
Avg CL: 3820 * 1.035 = 3954 (= 82% of 4825)

Avg LB crit: 9168 * 1.1 = 10085
Avg CL crit: 7399 * 1.035 = 7658 (= 76% of 10085)

2nd one:
Avg LB: 4269 * 1.1 = 4696
Avg CL: 3568 * 1.035 = 3693 (= 79% of 4696)

Avg LB crit: 9005 * 1.1 = 9905
Avg CL crit: 8104 * 1.035 = 8388 (= 85% de 9905)

3rd one:
Avg LB: 4217 * 1.1 = 4639
Avg CL: 3548 * 1.035 = 3672 (= 79% of 4639)

Avg LB crit: 8934 * 1.1 = 9827
Avg CL crit: 7247 * 1.035 = 7501 (= 76% of 9827)

That's it for the 3 highest elementals using CL recorded on Patchwerk fight.

I remind that CL casting time = 75% of LB casting time.
We did not find any example where "average CL damage < 75% of LB average damage"

The gain is not always huge, but it does exist.
If you add the fact that CL is faster spell that can be used to tighten more your rotation and optimize the usage of LvB CD, I really don't see any reason to not using it.

If you find any error, please tell me.

Of course, that's only 3 examples, too small sample to prove anything.
But I see that in an other way: that's 3 out of the 3 that I've looked at.

ksb1082 · 06/24/09, 3:39 AM

I was curious as I didn't see any other questions regarding it. Since I also play a warlock I am very aware that I have been clipping the flameshock dot sometimes on rotation to ensure its stays up for my LvB casts. I am curious if the same rules apply here regarding clipping dots or is the difference irrelevant?

mek · 06/25/09, 6:14 AM

Clipping the very last tick of FS to refresh it as your LvB comes off cooldown is a dps gain, if you would have to delay that LvB to ensure it crits if you did not clip it.

Neiko · 06/25/09, 10:02 AM

At the moment during heroism im sticking to my rotation and slightly curiouse if this is the best thing to do or not? I have read through the most of this thread and not seen it mentioned anywhere.

Assuming you have 25% haste raid buffed and using 5 LB rotation, is it best to stick to your rotation or go for all out LB spam?

Binkenstein · 06/25/09, 6:28 PM

Originally Posted by Neiko

At the moment during heroism im sticking to my rotation and slightly curiouse if this is the best thing to do or not? I have read through the most of this thread and not seen it mentioned anywhere.

Assuming you have 25% haste raid buffed and using 5 LB rotation, is it best to stick to your rotation or go for all out LB spam?

This is another reason why I never recommend fixed rotations, as people always go "but what happens if I get a haste buff". The answer is "you stick with your rotation but cast LB more". There are no conditions that make LB spam better than a normal rotation, unless you can somehow find a fire immune or nature vulnerable target.

Kyro · 06/29/09, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

:doh:

This is another reason why I never recommend fixed rotations, as people always go "but what happens if I get a haste buff". The answer is "you stick with your rotation but cast LB more". There are no conditions that make LB spam better than a normal rotation, unless you can somehow find a fire immune or nature vulnerable target.

I'm wondering if at this point, it wouldn't be better to close this thread and start a new one, titled "Elemental Priority" or something like that.

While people not being smart enough to figure it out for themselves is their problem and not mine, having this thread flooded with "help me with my rotation" is getting annoying, especially since there is no fixed rotation.

Juice · 06/29/09, 2:20 PM

Agreed. This is address in the TTT article already.