Original Trinket discussion credit to Yo! from the mega enhance thread. With 3.3, most of the lower end trinkets have been removed, and the spreadsheet may be used as a rough guide on trinkets. Rawr + EnhSim will always be the best way to determine the 'best' trinkets for you.


Extenze's 3.3 Trinket Spreadsheet:

NOTE: Link updated Feb 9, 2010

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...FdlREckE&hl=en

Per the BiS thread, the #1 and #2 trinkets are:

#1 693.43 EP - [Herkuml War Token] Unquestionably, the trinket to get first and foremost - 60 Frost Badges
#2 ??? EP - [Tiny Abomination in a Jar] - Heroic Putricide 25m

Please note that EP values are highly suspect when choosing trinkets, especially as a certain combination of trinkets might yield better DPS than the highest EP value trinkets. As always, your best bet is to sim results with YOUR gear and determine which trinkets allow you to maximize your DPS. That being said, I will list some of the top trinkets in the game based on the EP values listed below.

EP Stat EP Weight
Crit 1.87
Hit 1.71
Exp 2
Agi 1.75
Spell Pwr 1.03
Haste 2.31
ArP 1.53
Spell Crit(%) 25.37


??? EP - [Tiny Abomination in a Jar] - Regular Putricide 25m
693.43^ EP - [Whispering Fanged Skull] - Heroic Deathwhisper 10m
612.68 EP - [Comet's Trail] - Alganon 25m
611.64 EP - [Whispering Fanged Skull] - Deathwhisper 10m
585.5 EP - [Death's Choice] - Heroic Twin Valks, 25m
578.09* EP - [Deathbringer's Will] - Heroic Saurfang 25m
518.50 EP - [Death's Choice] - Twin Valks, 25m
513.65* EP - [Deathbringer's Will] - Saurfang 25m
476.32 EP - [Dark Matter] - Algalon 10m
470.01 EP - [Blood of the Old God] - Yogg 25m
443.70 EP - [Needle-Encrusted Scorpion] - Forge of Souls 5m Heroic
418.04 EP - [Banner of Victory] - ToC 5m (Regular)
416# EP - [Shard of the Crystal Heart] - Triumph Badges
415.82 EP - [Mjolnir Runestone] - Thorim 10m Hard Mode
409.25 EP - [Pyrite Infuser] - Flame Leviathan 10m
389.55 EP - [Mark of Supremacy] - Triumph Badges
343.51 EP - [Meteorite Whetstone] - Heroic UP (a hidden gem)
332.50 EP - [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] - Noble's Deck



X Tiny Abomination in a Jar's proc is about 213 DPS as Heroic and 186 DPS as Regular in BiS gear (Rawr BIS list Feb 10, 2010)
* Deatbringer's Will EP takes the sum of the 3 EP values from the different procs and averages them
^ Formula used for Whispering Fanged Skull (Heroic): =(148*Crit) + ((1250*15)/45)
# Formula used for Shard of the Crystal Heart (different from spreadsheet) = =(128*Hit)+((512*Haste*20)/120)

May I ask why ArP is so high? Personally, every time I've ran the sim, it has never been past 1. It's more .6-.7ish.

I also get low Arp values, but I have a few pieces with Arp... If Yo had 0 ArP gear, that might account for the high value, as the first points are the most EP. I'll do a quick recalc with an Arp value of .75 to make it more realistic. Since the formulas are included however, you can substitute your own EP values for the best results.

Ah, good deal. For trinkets, I just made a spreadsheet with the formulas from Malan's post and I input my values into that. I thought about doing something like that in googledocs and posting it here, but never got around to it.

If you can make a shared google doc that incorporates all the trinket forumula and allows people to input the required stat weights, etc, (but not save the document obviously) I'll link it in the wiki.

[Mighty Alchemist's Stone] yields a 185 EP value using Malan's values from the TT.

Are the jewelcrafting trinkets any good? Or where should they be in that list?
[Figurine - Twilight Serpent] and [Figurine - Emerald Boar]

Another Trinket which is very helpful if your gear still lacks hit: [Mark of the War Prisoner].

I'm not sure where the EP values are coming from, but I'm going to add a couple trinkets to the list:

[Fury of the Encroaching Storm] Return to Atuik quest in Howling Fjord

[First Mate's Pocketwatch] The Jig Is Up quest in Howling Fjord

[Death Knight's Anguish] Buying Some Time quest in Borean Tundra

[Foresight's Anticipation] Imprints on the Past quest in Dragonblight

Isn't the calculation for the Grim Toll wrong?

83 * 2 = 166
0.75 * 612 / 5 = 459 / 5 = 91.8
91.8 + 166 = 257.8

349.6 = 257.8 + 91.8, you added it twice I guess?

Intellect Noble's Deck would also be beneficial, no? If you had AK, (90*1.1)*2. Only .5% spell crit from the int, but it does increase your pool.

I don't know if this has been overlooked, but the intellect Nobles Deck would still proc for 300 agility. For an int weightt of 1.3 it's value would be:
90*1.3 + 300*2 * 15/45 = 317 EP

Except the "1.3" and the "2" are not real values since they are completely dependent on all the other gear you are wearing.

When I first hit level 80 Intellect had a value of 2.45 since my mana pool was not large enough to sustain 2 minutes of normal dps activity even with refreshment, BoW and JoW. Now that my mana pool is much larger the value of Intellect is back down to a "normal" level of 1.45AeP. Agility on the other hand has remained consistantly around 1.7AeP.

Would the Intellect version of that Darkmoon card be a good choice?

That really depends on the rest of your stats. But with them changing JoW to work off base mana instead of total mana that would seem to push the needle firmly in Agility's favor.

The one big advantage of course to the int trinket is it would also be of use in a resto set, giving you an increased amount of early gear flexibility.

Oh, I think there's no argument that agility isn't the proper choice for your first Darkmoon trinket. I'm saying that as the 4th or 5th trinket on this list, the Darkmoon Card: Greatness (Intellect) would make a fine second trinket.

[e] typo

Except that one proc will put the other on cooldown (at least that was what was reported - I don't have one)

EP rating would be 106 + uptime * (cap - your expertise) * (your expertise EP). The proc rate is 15% on melee strike, no idea if there is an internal cooldown. It becomes progressively worse the more expertise you have.

It's unique-equipped.

I have been told (but haven't tested) that Unique-equip is by item ID not item name, which would mean that both could be equipped. Not about to spend the gold to test live tho

They would have separate IDs so you could equip both an Int one and an Agi one however, just like with the battlemaster trinkets, having one of the trinkets proc would put them both on the hidden cooldown meaning the second trinket would only be worth 90 Agi/Int.

Whether that is correct or not I really haven't a clue but that is what was reported and without having access to both trinkets there is no way for me to confirm or deny how the mechanic would work if you were wearing 2 of them.

I am trying to put a spreadsheet together for this on google docs but for the life of me I cannot get a few of the calcs to match up. I need someone to take a look at these and let me know what I am missing. My spreadsheet values are in bold.

350 EP [Grim Toll] - Naxx

83*2 + 0.75*612 /5 = 349.6 EP

(83*B3) + (B8*612 /5) =257.8 EP
B3= Hit EP
B8= ArP EP

290 EP [Bandit's Insignia] - SAPPHIRON

190 + 1.3(30% crit chance) * (1504+2256)/2 /50 = 290 EP

190 + (B9/100+1) * (1504+2256)/2 /50 =238.88 EP
B9= Crit %

Also do we have a confirmation on Bandit's insignia and the Vestige with using spell or melee crit? I assume spell but I don't have any direct confirmation.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...L60dfXEA&hl=en
A few trinket's still don't work right and please don't save any changes you make but this will convert the trinket's for your EP to give you personalized trinket weights. Please let me know any issues you may find and I will update the spreadsheet to fix it. Also do we have formulas for SoC and BNS?

On the Grim Toll I got the same results, I posted it here somewhere but no one said anything.

As for the Bandit's Insignia I just checked and I got the same results as you, 238.88.