True, but [Blue Aspect Helm] is a bigger upgrade over the corresponding Valorous T7 piece and the 4-piece bonus is worth too much to use both.

I've also simmed the more hit-heavy combination (Valorous headpiece + Frosted Adroit Handguards) with other trinkets than Grim Toll and I have been unable to come up with a higher-DPS combination. But I only tested that with conventional WT/FT combos, not the FT/FT caster/fast setup, which admittedly benefits less from Grim Toll's ArP proc.

All this seemed like too much detail for a footnote, but perhaps it is interesting info in itself.

I have both pieces but I use 4pc + Frosted Adroit and was unable to find a set using Blue Aspect that resulted in more dps. This could be because I am not a JC so need to use basically all gems to expertise cap but I've always shown them to be roughly equal upgrades provided you are not over the spell hit cap.

I also use the Grim Toll and Mirror for my trinkets.

Good point. I am a JC and a draenei so I can hit and expertise cap via gems without much trouble. Before I went JC, I used [Thrusting Bands] and [Sinister Revenge] over their lower hit/exp but otherwise somewhat better alternatives to cap. Fortunately in 3.1 everyone should be able to cap hit and exp without giving up too much otherwise.

Edit: I did some testing. The best WF/FT setups I could come up with based on my gear and either Blue Aspect Helm or Frosted Adroit Handguards, and their simulated DPS:

chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner - Blue Aspect Helm, JC/LW - 5982.67 dps
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner - Frosted Adroit Hanguards, JC/LW - 5942.92 dps
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner - Blue Aspect Helm, Ench/LW - 5940.58 dps
chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner - Frosted Adroit Handguards, Ench/LW - 5890.33 dps

I'm missing Calamity's Grasp and Drape of the Deadly Foe (which wouldn't affect ease of capping) and Surge Needle Ring (which might). Clearly the Blue Aspect setups are counting on the Draenei hit bonus to cap. But Horde could do something like this: chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

New drop from Kologarn in 25-man Ulduar: [Wrathstone]

My math puts it around 359 EP, a solid #2 trinket to be paired with DMC: Greatness and a nice replacement for MoT or FoTFF.

(108*2) + (856*(20/120))
216 + 142.67
358.67

We got the trinket Blood of the Old God from our25m YS kill. I bring this up because choosing to do the GT/Mirror setup it seemed like an ideal upgrade because again you can use it to cover a LOT of hit and then you won't need to make up that hit elsewhere. The proc rate seems to be 45s ICD.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...ftheoldgod.jpg

Added to the trinket spreadsheet.

Utters,

When you fix the formulas in the spreadsheet, would you mind adding the [Pyrite Infuser] trinket as well? I suspect proc rate is same as Mirror of truth, and if you need the hit, looks to be a Best in Slot trinket contender.

What do you know... I did. Looks like you cannot copy paste formulas in google docs. Well it's fixed now but I did remove the BC trinkets from the list. If there is still a need for this that I am missing please let me know.

Utters,

Not a big deal, but next time you get around to updating the trinket spreadsheet, do you think you could put in 'labels' instead of column names for the formulas? Not sure if Google Spreadsheets will keep them or not, but it's much easier to spot check the formulas when you see something like (640*ArP)/45 + 81*Hit or something to that effect.

Has anyone done any extensive testing on [Chuchu's Tiny Box of Horrors] to see where it might stand against other trinkets pre-Naxx...or even post Naxx until Grim Toll and Mirror of Truth are acquired? I know Meteorite Whetstone is a BiS filler trinket at some point.

From what I've seen while using the box is that it does have a 45sec ICD and that on the Loatheb fight, with the spore crit buff + elemental devastation and the box buff (called tenticles), my crit is put over 90%. All other times w/ ED up and the box proc, it puts me over 40% crit. Not to shabby considering that increases the uptime for flurry, UR, ED and the clearcasting talent (Sorry, the name of that one escapes me right now.) as well as generates more WF crits.

I'm using Grim Toll and Mirror of Truth right now til I get something better from Ulduar.

Also, this makes me wonder. The [Pyrite Infuser] is a nice trinket. It's hit is better than [Grim Toll] but the procs are different. Not sure If I should try to roll on it to replace GT or [Mirror of Truth]. If I replace GT for the Infuser, I get more hit but then I contend with the infuser's proc making Mirror's proc obsolete as PI (wonder if there is some hidden mathematically equation for this trinket) will overwrite it due to being the greater value. So it almost makes it pointless to Have Mirror and the Infuser together, where as having the infuser and grim toll together is almost as pointless aside from completely removing all hit gems/chants (like subbing Cat's Grace or AP for boots instead of Icewalker). That's just theoretically speaking of course.

Thoughts on either subject?

I have the [Pyrite Infuser] and it definitely does not share an internal cooldown with [Mirror of Truth]. I noticed a quite a few times that I had both buffs up at the same time. It's a buttload of AP which is pretty sweet.

Trinket procs always stack, to my understanding.

Also, you're crazy not to have run speed back on your boots. Unholy aura doesn't exist anymore.

After looking through the thus far discovered Ulduar loot (and the items available on chardev) I attempted to assemble a (what I believe to be) best in slot gear compilation in which you’d use 0 gems for hit (1 for horde) and only 1 expertise gem. This set would include Pyrite Infuser and Blood of the Old God. chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner what are your opinions about that compilation?

Updated assuming same uptime as mirror(=hit*95+(1234/6)). Look right to everyone else?

EDIT: I really want the spreadsheet to sort so that it will tell you the top(5?) trinkets in the list. BUT I cannot for the life of me figure out this functionality in Google docs as any sorting formulas I have used will move everything on the sheet not just specific columns. Does anyone have a good idea for this or know exactly how to work it in Google docs?

4 dragon's eyes huh.

I should think that the trinkets that you would use for your character depend entirely upon the EP values for each of your stats. As these fluctuate wildly depending on your gear set, there wouldn't be a set hierarchy of trinkets for you to use. I've simulated numerous times that GT/MoT were a better combination than having either FotFF OR DMC:G. Since I can't seem to modify the values listed on the google doc myself, its a bit more difficult to pick which one is the right one outside of some good old fashion number crunching.

I tried the Totem of Dueling as the post seemed to favor it for maximum dps but I found it lacking. After some testing on target dummies, I could only get around 2600 dps out of it in my enhancement gear with totems down. Stonebreaker Totem was around the same. Totem of Splintering got me up around 3100 dps. I took that information and went into night two of our Naxx 25 run and topped the charts at an average of 4200 dps for the night. The previous run I only managed to get into 4th place with an average dps of 3600 and the only major difference was that totem. Is it just my build and gear setup or is that totem actually that good?

my armory link
The World of Warcraft Armory

Unless the totem is bugged, part of this is just you performing better. Splintering is known to be a decent totem at low levels of gear but it scales really badly which is why people get Hex or Dueling. However, there is no level of gear where it is worth 500dps. Can you retest this and confirm your findings?

Also your armory link has you in ele gear right now.

EDIT: Oops just noticed that this is the trinket thread. This question probably belongs in the question and answer thread.

sorry, reposting in Q and A

just pm'd to author

If [Bandit's Insignia] is on the list then [Darkmoon Card: Death] should be as well. it has 6 less top end but 246 higher low end and a much smaller damage range