Enhancement Glyphs a numeric comparison - Page 15

panny · 02/24/09, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Juice

And still inferior to paladins for arena healing.

It may sound like restos are getting mad buffs, but they are presently strictly inferior to paladins in nearly any composition. Something has to be done.

Resto is really good in PvP now, and they're better against Hunters than Paladins. Paladins are alot better overall, but that just means they need nerfs, not all other healers being made equal to them.

SentinelBorg · 02/24/09, 10:25 AM

Has the shield from stoneclaw really the amount of stoneclaw itself?

As far as I know, it uses Stoneclaw Totem - Spell - World of Warcraft to shield our totems. So the amount would only be 1085 * 4 = 4340 and it is questionable, whether the talent increases this value. But in the end, only tests will show the truth.

kaoticz · 02/24/09, 10:26 AM

useless post edited out!

Flaxe · 03/05/09, 5:40 AM

Originally Posted by SentinelBorg

Has the shield from stoneclaw really the amount of stoneclaw itself?

As far as I know, it uses Stoneclaw Totem - Spell - World of Warcraft to shield our totems. So the amount would only be 1085 * 4 = 4340 and it is questionable, whether the talent increases this value. But in the end, only tests will show the truth.

The talent does not increase the amount of the protective "shield". The "shield" is based on the shaman's stats rather than on the totem, the talent only increases HP of the totem.
So my guess is that the Stoneclaw totem glyph "shield" will be ~4k.

But to get back to the proper subject:
The new glyph of Feral Spirits looks promising, however will it compensate for the LS glyph.**
Is there any way to test this out anytime soon? No access to the sim from where I am at the moment and I'm not sure if the feral spirit glyph has been added to it yet.

**What I had in mind for this is: "Improved shields" with LS glyph and T7 bonus. This combined with "Lightning dagger" weapons (ToHF or HotAP/Webbed Death).
As the Static Shock is a set percentage, it should technically generate more PPM with faster weapons.

Volti · 03/06/09, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by Flaxe

The talent does not increase the amount of the protective "shield". The "shield" is based on the shaman's stats rather than on the totem, the talent only increases HP of the totem.
So my guess is that the Stoneclaw totem glyph "shield" will be ~4k.

But to get back to the proper subject:
The new glyph of Feral Spirits looks promising, however will it compensate for the LS glyph.**
Is there any way to test this out anytime soon? No access to the sim from where I am at the moment and I'm not sure if the feral spirit glyph has been added to it yet.

**What I had in mind for this is: "Improved shields" with LS glyph and T7 bonus. This combined with "Lightning dagger" weapons (ToHF or HotAP/Webbed Death).
As the Static Shock is a set percentage, it should technically generate more PPM with faster weapons.

Even so, Blizzard directly stated (look up first post on this page) that the intent for Enhancement is to use slow/slow weapons, so if fast weapons get awesome once again thanks to Static Shock than be sure that its mechanic will be changed, just as FT has been changed as well.

Baconcheese · 03/09/09, 11:48 PM

" **What I had in mind for this is: "Improved shields" with LS glyph and T7 bonus. This combined with "Lightning dagger" weapons (ToHF or HotAP/Webbed Death).
As the Static Shock is a set percentage, it should technically generate more PPM with faster weapons. "

Having fast weapons would mean better ppm but the dps reduction from Windfury's invisible cd and FT's new 'slow is better' buff would be an overall dps loss.

With that said, hopefully Blizzard improves static shock mechanics for slow/slow.

I am not much the pvper (the occasional BG), but the stoneclaw totem shield seems almost useless in pvp. I would personally have earthbind down almost every cd spending earth totem so...

Has anyone actually used stoneclaw effectively in any PvP situation?

Farosarg · 03/10/09, 2:49 PM

I'd use stoneclaw over earthbind whenever I'm been double focused (mage+rogue anyone?) and whenever my partner is given slack so it makes harder for opponent to win you in mana fight. Ofcourse against priests and warlocks tremor totem has to be there 24/7. Wish there was any news about totem stomping macros.

All in all pvp vise holy paladin will still keep their upper hand if that prot tier 3 spirit link kind of talent will pass to live...

Migage · 04/07/09, 2:13 AM

Anyone on the PTR's be able to run some tests with the new/revised glyphs for 3.1 and post the info much like on the first page of this thread for all to see? Just wanna see what the "best" glyphs will be for enh shammys when ulduar rolls out. Please and thanks

Sithray · 04/07/09, 5:15 PM

Originally Posted by Baconcheese

" **What I had in mind for this is: "Improved shields" with LS glyph and T7 bonus. This combined with "Lightning dagger" weapons (ToHF or HotAP/Webbed Death).
As the Static Shock is a set percentage, it should technically generate more PPM with faster weapons. "

Having fast weapons would mean better ppm but the dps reduction from Windfury's invisible cd and FT's new 'slow is better' buff would be an overall dps loss.

With that said, hopefully Blizzard improves static shock mechanics for slow/slow.

I am not much the pvper (the occasional BG), but the stoneclaw totem shield seems almost useless in pvp. I would personally have earthbind down almost every cd spending earth totem so...

Has anyone actually used stoneclaw effectively in any PvP situation?

I PvP as much as possible on the PTR and you can use the totem to get the shield, then immediately redrop earthbind. The shield doesn't go away when you get rid of the stoneclaw totem. I think the shied is very worth it.

Atmosfear · 04/08/09, 3:47 PM

Anyone on the PTR's be able to run some tests with the new/revised glyphs for 3.1 and post the info much like on the first page of this thread for all to see? Just wanna see what the "best" glyphs will be for enh shammys when ulduar rolls out. Please and thanks

I too am interested in seeing the results of that test.

I surmise that Stormstrike will still be #1. #2 and #3 may become a tossup based on some of the changes/additions on the PTR.

Windfury
Flametongue
LS
Feral Spirit (Probably not too significant a boost in DPS for PvE)
Shocking (new tooltip "by 0.5 sec" > "to 0.5 sec")

Rouncer · 04/08/09, 4:10 PM

If Shocking is actually "to 0.5 sec" then that just became at least our #2 glyph if not our best glyph choice for both PvP and PvE.

Fcukstar · 04/08/09, 4:35 PM

I hopped on the PTR to see if I could buy a Shocking Glyph and test it out, but there are none on the AH. Hopefully an Inscription Enhance Shammy can make one and tell us if the GCD was really lowered to .5s.

Rouncer · 04/08/09, 5:09 PM

I actually have one on my character that I transferred to the PTR.

Tooltip reads

Use: Reduces the Global cooldown triggered by your shock spells to 1 sec.

Tested with cooldown script and GCDs from shocks are exactly 1 second.

Axekilla · 04/09/09, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by kaoticz

Wow, that Stoneclaw totem glyph is sexy for PvP. Kinda sucks that you need to use tremor/earthbind regularly as well, I guess just place the stoneclaw totem every time the CD is up if taking damage and then swap back to whatever. Hex glyph isn't too bad either, hopefully they fix disarm talents reducing its duration.

The Glyph of Feral Spirit looks interesting for PvE but I have a feeling it won't replace anything, here's to putting my foot in my mouth after the math is done :P

The only thing it might replace is Lightning shield / Flame tongue. But it'll probably fall in the 3rd tier of glyph importance.
Until Blizzard finalizes all the changes, and fixes bugs related to stripping out the Equipment Manager, who knows.

Skeptikk · 04/12/09, 9:08 PM

Originally Posted by Fcukstar

I hopped on the PTR to see if I could buy a Shocking Glyph and test it out, but there are none on the AH. Hopefully an Inscription Enhance Shammy can make one and tell us if the GCD was really lowered to .5s.

At the Inscription shop in Dalaran there is a vendor there selling all the glyphs