With upcoming glyph changes.

SS > ES = WF (if ES is fixed) > LS >/= FT = LB > LL

ES definitely isn't working properly on the PTR since I just tested it the other day and it is still capped at 1 second.

For anyone curious the easiest test is simply to /combatlog and then use the macro

/castsequence Earth Shock, Lava Lash

Bind it to your mousewheel and roll it at a targeting dummy.

Check the log and you will see spell not ready messages indicating the 1 second GCD.

Ghostcrawler did respond in a thread I made about this issue back in the Beta so he is aware of the issue. Spirit Wolves are fixed on the PTR so hopefully this is next on our bug fix agenda.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but how are Spirit Wolves currently broken that they need fixing?

Theyre not scaling properly (at all?)

No scaling at all with any of the Shaman's stats and they are supposed to scale with our Stamina, Armor and Attack Power.

Not sure about if they are meant to scale with any of the ratings since those aren't shown on the Pet Tab (we don't get a pet tab for them by default but there is a console command that forces the UI to display their Pet Tab when they are summoned).

On the PTR they appear to be scaling properly.

Care to share the command?

Also, how well do they appear to be scaling? Seems like they average in the low 200s baseline, I'm wondering/hoping they'll get far into the 400s with scaling.

Be happy to share it except I am at work and it is macroed on my character, I think Malan was the one who originally posted in the Beta forums so maybe he has it more readily available. I'll edit it in to this post when I get home in an hour or so.

They are getting 30% of your AP, Armor and Stamina. The pet tab doesn't show hit/crit values so the only way to test those will be with some time summoning them to attack the targeting dummies and tracking their hit/crit values.

I didn't check if haste rating is having any effect but since their attack speed is reported on the pet tab that should be easy enough to check.


Script to make the pet tab show up for the Feral Spirits

/run if not oldHasPetUI then oldHasPetUI = HasPetUI; HasPetUI = function() return true, false; end end PetTab_Update() ToggleCharacter("PetPaperDollFrame")

Scaling with our AP, armor and stamina (30% as mentioned). Our haste doesnt affect the wolves, but wf totem + bl put their attack speed on the low 0.8~0.75. Hiting for 300~400 criting for 700~800 unbuffed

Hey guys,

Before asking, I'd like to point that I haven't had the chance to get my T7 Enhancement Legs yet, but I managed to get the Elemental Piece (Archavon pug) which I gemmed and enchanted (Icescale Leg Armor) to use a DPS piece since it was a major upgrade from my T5 legs given the hit + crit.

I was tempted to try the Lightning Bolt Glyph after seeing a DPS test on Patchwerk the other night and seeing how LB contributed to more damage than my standard yellow attacks. I'm quite sure those numbers will be better since I'm around 45 points of my hit cap (around 320 with Snapper Extreme and Elixir of Accuracy).

Is the case with my LB damage related to having more spell power (+BoK Scaling) and is it something worth exploring as an Enhancement Shaman when using the LB Glyph? Or will this wane over time as I manage to acquire more melee stats?

P.S: The WWS report had me wearing Tunic of Masked Suffering as opposed to the armory which shows me wearing the T7.

Thanks.

Please read atleast the last couple of pages before asking questions such as this. If you look at page one you see that the last post is about this glyph and he came to the conclusion that it was still very bad eventhough it got buffed.

So, from what I understand so far, our priority for Glyphs is: Stormstrike, Earth Shock, (New) Windfury, Lightning Shield, Flametongue, and then Lightning Bolt followed by Lava Lash?

If I went with SS, WF, and FT, would I be at a disadvantage in DPS to someone who had SS, ES and LS? How much room is there for player decision on what they'd like? (Of course I understand that it's always player decision, but which ones would you consider "equal" in terms of usefulness?)

Earth Shock is broken on live and still broken on the current PTR still so I would remove it from your list.

FT is safest choice of the two. LS glyph has a problem if you forced to use water shield. So basically LS does give more dps perhaps, but odds of you having to use water shield is higher than non-FT offhand weapon imbue.

I just have to ask....where during normal raid circumstances are you forced to use Water Shield?
So far during 10 and 25-man raids, I have yet to see a time where I would be forced to use water shield. As there is always at least one replenishment buff in the raid and shamanistic rage is used properly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you can not use WS anywhere. I'm just saying that there really is a lack of moments where you're "forced" to use it. If you really want to optimize, water shield can usually be timed to moments when it can not be triggered. (Infection at Grobbulus, Phase switch at Thaddius etc.)


Basically, this leads me to the next question regarding these two glyphs. How will the scaling be looking for either of those? Just wondering if anyone has looked any further, how much effective DPS will the other stats be adding with these glyphs? (I hope you get what I mean. Will look this over again once I'm home from work.)

When I am raiding 10 / 25 mans with my guild, which is by far the best on the server, your right i will never have to use water shield because not only do we make sure we always have at least 1 ret pally for replenishment, but the bosses die so fast that sometimes i don't even have to use shamanistic rage.

However, 80% of the time I raid 10/25 mans, it is with a straight pug. Good guilds are very competitive and unless you want to spend 30-40 hours a week raiding / kissing ass or have good friends upstairs, you may not get a spot with the pros, therefore I pug just like 90% of the people on my server.

Pugs are mostly all the same, 3-4 good players and the rest either have never done the content or they just don't have that little something ticking upstairs that allows them to play at a high level. Even with all the badies it is still possible to do all the content that Blizz throws at you. You just have to be patient, humble, pick up the slack for others and be ready to do anything your class is capable of.

What I'm getting at is I have to keep water shield up on healing intensive fights because even with 3 healers in the raid for a 10 man, i still have to use EVERY maelstrom proc for CH or HW or people will die. Not only that but I have not had the pleasure of running with a Ret Pally in any of the countless pugs Ive run other than in 25 mans.

On a side note, after spending 14 hours pugging in 10 man Naxx on 3 separate days this week, seeing over 30 people getting saved to my raid ID, because I had to boot ppl and 1/2 of the ppl that join log without notice after an hour or so, getting an upgrade was MUCH sweeter than when I got one from running a 25 man naxx full clear with my guild in 2 1/2 hours.

and all this has what to do with a discussion of the merits of the individual enhancement glyphs?

Lightning Shield is a choice. It is a better glyph then Flametongue provided you can use Lightning Shield during all fights. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

If your raid/groups/whatever makes it so you have to use Water Shield often then you should probably use Flametongue instead. Didn't really need the life story to understand that. If you felt that it was necessary to say all that due to some other post in the thread then it probably should have been PMed to them instead.

It was a direct response to the previous comment;

"I just have to ask....where during normal raid circumstances are you forced to use Water Shield?
So far during 10 and 25-man raids, I have yet to see a time where I would be forced to use water shield. As there is always at least one replenishment buff in the raid and shamanistic rage is used properly."

Mostly pointing out that the phrase "normal raid circumstances" for 90% of players on my server is a pug. It has been established that LS is better than FT when all you have to do is dps. He asked a question and I responded by siting my personal experiences as an example how many if not most shamans should use water shield in raids due lack of good healers.

As for how they scale, I too am interested to see if after our stats escalate if FT will become better.

I came acoss this thread on the MMO-Champion forums, I was wondering if anyone else has come across similar results?

TL;DR version is that Windfury Glyph and Totem of Splintering are currently broken.

or his testing methods are crap.

He is running with trinkets and berzerker on at least one of his weapons.

You don't think the possibility of a 1000AP proc that could be stacked with a 400 AP proc which would then all be multiplied by an additional 10% from Unleashed Rage could play a role in invalidating those numbers? Just compare the max crit swings seen on the PTR versus Live. They should be exactly the same since nothing is diffferent with swing damage yet his max on Live is 2271 and his max on the PTR is 2417. Do you think they buffed swing damage? or do you think the procs could be interfering in the test results.

Windfury has a decent range of damage built into the attack already and then to add in all those possible procs just makes it so that no real conclusion can be taken from the data set. The only real result from his test would seem to be the increased number of windfury attacks seen with the new glyph on the PTR.

If you want to test the glyph and that totem for real then you need to remove those outside AP procs, heck get naked and use a white weapon to remove all possible procs altogether, and spec without flurry or unleashed rage. Then see how things compare.

While in no means scientific, I've done my own calculations and tests in Naxx 25.

Last 25 patchwerk kill, I had an overall 5613 dps.

I've found having Windfury, Stormstrike, and Flametongue gylphs to be better for me DPS wise than Windfury, Stormstrike, and Lava lash.

Wow Web Stats

Going to see what happens tonight as Ive had some gear upgrades over last week, but I would have to say Windfury, SS, and Flametongue are superior.

(And dont bother to point out whats wrong with my gear, I already know).

Is this a "look at my DPS" post?

Using a Patchwerk kill is a good barometer of individual performance versus the raid, it isn't a good indicator for which glyphs you should be using, the sim is able to do thousands of hours of combat in minutes whereas you get 2-3min of testing a week on Patchwerk.

You do know that everyone already has concluded that the Lava Lash glyph is complete dogshit, right? If you were demonstrating that we were all wrong and that the Sim was wrong then it would be worth posting about but otherwise it's like pointing at water and telling us all that it's wet.

It seems from previous posts that LS glyph is better than FT by a small margin.

Does "Improved Shields" become more attractive with all the multiplicative bonus (glyph, SS, T7 bonus) ?
Reformulated to better fit to the thread, the question is :
LS Glyph cannot be even more interesting with Imp.Shield (and hoping that it results in a gain of DPS even for 3 talent points "wasted") ?

(I'm french, I hope my question is understandable/interesting and sorry for the grammar).