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Old 05/14/09, 10:43 AM   #151
Kissmyaxe
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
It doesnt know about (the procs of) my trinkets right? (Dying Curse, Sundial of the Exiled)
Since the spreadsheet has no idea what gear you have, it obviously does not know which trinkets you use.
You are suppose to calculate the values for the stats of the trinket (spell power, crit, haste, etc) and add those to the total stats you plug in.
If it helps, check the fields from the trinkets in the spreadsheet since it shows how to figure average values for procs (eg. Dying Curse has a 765 SP proc, that is up for 10 seconds with a 1 min internal cooldown, therefor you can value it at 765*10/60 = 127.5 SP).

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Old 05/14/09, 10:48 AM   #152
ellotheth
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
But does anyone know a website/addon that lets me dress up my char with any gear just so i get easy access to the base stats required to enter in this nice addon?
CharDev

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Old 05/14/09, 10:54 AM   #153
clanofmiller
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
But does anyone know a website/addon that lets me dress up my char with any gear just so i get easy access to the base stats required to enter in this nice addon?
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t21713-r...leased_1_30_a/
Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
My base spell (character sheet) = 1934, bonus is 171, buffs = 638. This gives a total of 2743.
But my total spell damage in raid is always 2780.
I assume you have the Mixology - Spell - World of Warcraft skill as an alchemist ...

-- EDIT --
Flashy!

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Old 05/14/09, 4:05 PM   #154
Ferala
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Thanx!

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Old 05/14/09, 6:40 PM   #155
Ferala
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Originally Posted by clanofmiller View Post

I assume you have the Mixology - Spell - World of Warcraft skill as an alchemist ...

-- EDIT --
Flashy!
How does that exactly explain my difference in spell? I thought it only lenghtened the effect of flasks.

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Old 05/14/09, 6:48 PM   #156
Shkarn
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
How does that exactly explain my difference in spell? I thought it only lenghtened the effect of flasks.
It increases the bonus, as well - not just the duration. [Flask of the Frost Wyrm] gives 162 spell power with Mixology, which is a 37 spell power gain over the standard 125 bonus of the flask.

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Old 05/14/09, 6:50 PM   #157
Ferala
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Ah i just read: Gives 162 Spellpower. A 29.6% increase over the base 125 Spellpower.

My tooltip never showed this to me, it had to be read from the real increase. A bit annoying that tooltips usually do not reflect true values.

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Old 05/14/09, 9:15 PM   #158
Lon
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
I very well see your point and you are right to do so.

But does anyone know a website/addon that lets me dress up my char with any gear just so i get easy access to the base stats required to enter in this nice addon?
There are two sites that immediately spring to mind:

Warcrafter and chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

These should allow you to do some gear shuffling and work out the best combination.

Last edited by Lon : 05/14/09 at 9:43 PM.

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Old 05/15/09, 6:54 PM   #159
drock903
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how can flow of knowledge and sundial both have a value of 182 (no hit) when their proc is the same, but sundial has the benefit of 84 crit rating?

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Old 05/15/09, 7:08 PM   #160
Fokui
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It's because Bink probably didn't remember to change it, on the initial screenshots the flow of knowledge had the EXACT same stats as sundial but then when the patch went live they removed the crit and changed it to resilience.

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Old 05/17/09, 2:50 PM   #161
Ferala
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Why doesnt the dps change if you fill in Hit rating 0 or Hit Rating 1000?

Does it assume you have max HR?

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Old 05/17/09, 5:04 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Ferala View Post
Why doesnt the dps change if you fill in Hit rating 0 or Hit Rating 1000?

Does it assume you have max HR?
Yes, it does.


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Old 05/18/09, 5:14 AM   #163
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3.1.2.15: Changes to stat comparison tool, adjustments to LO calcs and a few other tweaks.


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Old 05/18/09, 6:07 AM   #164
Ferala
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I am using one of the tools you guys suggested (warcrafter) to get the base stats.

I am wondering about 1 of my trinkets. Sundial of the Exiled.

The 84 crit is already covered in the base stats, but te proc (590SP*10/60) isnt.
Would it be correct to add 98 to the potions column in the Spell row?

My potion column is already the sum of food + flask + alchemy buff. The explanation behind this number is getting a bit obfuscated now. Wouldn't it be clearer to have 2 cells for depspell for trinket that isnt already covered in base stats?

p.s. I have only valorous items atm but i have the tokens for conqueror (still deciding to buy elem or resto). The sheet says my dps would go 700 up if i take elem gear. Tempting.

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Old 05/19/09, 1:03 AM   #165
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Hi there, you weighted haste lot more compared to your last version, almost as equal as spellpower now, how come?

Thanks, MannÃ*

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Old 05/19/09, 1:15 AM   #166
Anthraax
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I've been wondering lately if the addition of T8 4p would increase the stat weight for crit over what it is without the 4p bonus.

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Old 05/19/09, 1:24 AM   #167
Binkenstein
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Hi. This is me dealing with stupid people.
Originally Posted by Mann� View Post
Hi there, you weighted haste lot more compared to your last version, almost as equal as spellpower now, how come?

Thanks, Mann�*
I dunno, maybe you should change the default settings, like "delay" for instance? Maybe that will affect how haste is valued or something. Otherwise it's just some random number I picked out of my head.

Originally Posted by Cryonic View Post
I've been wondering lately if the addition of T8 4p would increase the stat weight for crit over what it is without the 4p bonus.
Well, if that's what you want to find out you could ENABLE THE FREAKING OPTION and see. It's not like it's hard to see or anything, unless you can't see "Set Bonus" sitting in the middle of the screen.

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Old 05/19/09, 1:29 AM   #168
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Cryonic (#166): Both 2p and 4p increase the value of crit a tiny bit, but the difference is nowhere near close enough to compete with haste and spellpower.

Mann (#165): As your gear becomes more powerful, so does haste, because there's more and more damage that you can do in less time. So it's not him valuing it higher, haste really does scale as awesomely as that.

Ferala (#164): You could, however, it would be a better idea to calculate the proc separately and then calculate the portion of the time this proc is used in (1/6th with it, 5/6th without it), because it can affect the damage in a lot more ways than simple damage increase, depending on when it pops up.

P.S.: Bink in a bad mood? Let's lighten him up a bit /turn on light

Creativity requires the courage to let go of certainties.

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Old 05/21/09, 12:06 PM   #169
ellotheth
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Trinket calculations

In version 3.1.2.15, the formulae for the following trinkets do not use 60 for the time division:Are these typos, or is there something else going on with these trinkets?

[Edit]

While I'm on the topic: There is a discrepancy between the [Pandora's Plea] tooltip and the aura applied. I don't have the trinket myself, so I can't verify.

Last edited by ellotheth : 05/21/09 at 12:32 PM.

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Old 05/21/09, 6:16 PM   #170
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They should all be 55, but it's an estimation of the cooldown time (45 sec cd, 10 sec to proc again)


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Old 05/27/09, 10:41 AM   #171
Quriel
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I think we all know that we should use the glyphs:

Glyph of Totem of Wrath until ~2484 spell power unbuffed.
Glyph of Lightning Bolt
Glyph of Flame Shock


However, it appears in your spreadsheet that the Glyph of Shocking is showing to have more DPS than the other glyphs, are you able to confirm this?

Thank you in advance.

--- EDIT (2): Typo ---

Last edited by Quriel : 05/27/09 at 11:20 AM.

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Old 05/27/09, 2:21 PM   #172
ellotheth
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Originally Posted by Quriel View Post
However, it appears in your spreadsheet that the Glyph of Shocking is showing to have more DPS than the other glyphs, are you able to confirm this?
It scales with haste and latency. Are you setting either of those to 0?

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Old 05/27/09, 2:31 PM   #173
Quriel
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My haste rating is set to 455, and latency to 35. It still shows a bigger DPS increase than the other glyphs, however is it?

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Old 05/27/09, 4:13 PM   #174
pfg
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Hi, I am trying to figure out why the 4pc T8 bonus damage appears low.

Wow Web Stats

8% of LB crit damage should be 45 x 10318 x 8% = 37144 but on wws its only 25644. I was expecting it to not work out based on LO proc's not triggering the effect but not to this extent. Is this normal ?

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Old 05/27/09, 6:59 PM   #175
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Originally Posted by Quriel View Post
I think we all know that we should use the glyphs:

Glyph of Totem of Wrath until ~2484 spell power unbuffed.
Glyph of Lightning Bolt
Glyph of Flame Shock


However, it appears in your spreadsheet that the Glyph of Shocking is showing to have more DPS than the other glyphs, are you able to confirm this?

Thank you in advance.

--- EDIT (2): Typo ---
Looks like I'd put in an incorrect formula for LvB cast times on the shocking comparison. Fixing in next release.

or set E253 and E 263 to be =MAX((2-lightningmastery)/(1+B255),1)


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