Elitist Jerks
Register
Blogs
Forums


Go Back   Elitist Jerks » Class Mechanics » Shamans

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03/18/09, 5:04 PM   #106
Shiyo
Von Kaiser
 
Shiyo's Avatar
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Gurubashi
Originally Posted by lrdx View Post
If a non-ele shaman caster has 50% crit rate, there is still 1.5% of not critting 6 times in a row (that is 10 seconds with 1.66 average cast time). Also, on average that caster will have to cast twice (1/50%) to get the buff on the mage back, meaning 3.33 sec (2*1.66) downtime. So the overall average up chanse is: uptime / (uptime + downtime) = 97.5%*10s / (1.5%*3.33s + 97.5%*10s) = 99.95%

The elemental shaman Provides 0.05% more uptime. It should be well under the difference of an another mage's and the ele shaman's DPS boost from 3%.
I think the point of a mage putting it on another mage is so that they'll put focus magic on you, not another caster with higher uptime. Buff collusion

I'm pretty good at parroting others and doing simple algebra.

Offline
Old 03/26/09, 4:59 PM   #107
Binkenstein
mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
 
Binkenstein's Avatar
 
Pandaren Shaman
 
Saurfang
3.1.0.11: Changed rotation calculations (mostly to fix a flaw in my rotation logic), added more 3.1 changes, set bonuses and trinkets

www.totemspot.com The Shaman Community Site - My blog

Totemspot Guides includes Ele & Enh guides for Mists

New Zealand Offline
Old 03/27/09, 12:57 PM   #108
SoNoFu
Von Kaiser
 
SoNoFu's Avatar
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
I noticed the rotation selection is gone. Does it default to Priority or Priority +?

(e) Nevermind, I see.

I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out. - B. Hicks

Offline
Old 03/28/09, 5:20 PM   #109
Fokui
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Scilla
I noticed an error in the trinket section for Living Flame. Unless it changed on the PTR and if it has I apologize.
On wowhead it says:
Equip: Improves hit rating by 107 (4.08% @ L80).
Use: Increases spell power by 505 for 20 sec. (2 Min Cooldown)

Well your current formula rates it at 487 DEP for my stats but looking at the formula makes me think its flawed
dephit*107+depspell*(505*20/45) is what is currently there.

Should it not be dephit*107+depspell*(505*20/120) since its a use trinket with a 2minute cooldown rather than an on equip trinket? At that setting it drops it to 295 DEP.

Offline
Old 03/31/09, 4:05 PM   #110
Skah
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Skywall
I ran a dps comparison between 3.0.9.9 and 3.1.0.11 versions of the SEIC spreadsheet and dps is going down by about 600 in 3.1 with my current elemental stats below, which is an 11% dps decline. Is our dps getting nerfed that badly in 3.1 or is the 3.1 version still a work-in-progress?

Stam 958
Int 932
Spell 1971
Hit 289
Crit 499
Haste 565
mp5 136


Also, how should trinkets get accounted for in the SEIC spreadsheet? For example, I have [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] so should I add 200 SP to my base SP? Thanks.

Offline
Old 04/01/09, 2:59 AM   #111
Binkenstein
mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
 
Binkenstein's Avatar
 
Pandaren Shaman
 
Saurfang
Well, if you go and look at all the other changes that are going on in 3.1, you'll see that there are other changes that may result in that decrease. Trinkets you can just use common sense and add them to your flat values.

www.totemspot.com The Shaman Community Site - My blog

Totemspot Guides includes Ele & Enh guides for Mists

New Zealand Offline
Old 04/01/09, 11:35 AM   #112
Skah
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Skywall
Spent some more time comparing the differences between the 3.1 and 3.09 versions and noticed that 3.1 does not have an option for Flametongue weapon imbue, which meant I was missing 274 SP. I added that in and the dps decrease significantly reduced, only a 3% DPS decrease now.

If you want to keep the spreadsheet similar to 3.09, I'd suggest adding Flametongue to the buffs section. Not a big deal because you can just add it to your base SP, but would be nice to have it consistent with previous versions. I also noticed that Totem of Wrath glyph option does not seem to be functioning.

Offline
Old 04/16/09, 2:35 AM   #113
Binkenstein
mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
 
Binkenstein's Avatar
 
Pandaren Shaman
 
Saurfang
Minor changes for r12, but added a calculator for the ToW/Lava question: rough figure = 4000 spellpower is the break even point.

www.totemspot.com The Shaman Community Site - My blog

Totemspot Guides includes Ele & Enh guides for Mists

New Zealand Offline
Old 04/17/09, 1:19 PM   #114
Jezele
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Scarlet Crusade
I noticed that the haste EP value has changed from when you reported these values in the PTR thread (it's now 1.135, which is barely above crit rather than being close to SP's value). Was this due to a calculation change?

Also, there is an error in the Pawnelemental() macro. The second line currently reads:
Range("L4:LM5").Select
I believe it should be:
Range("L4:L5").Select

Offline
Old 04/17/09, 5:15 PM   #115
Dememor
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Nathrezim
I'm curious if the math on the elemental focus stone: Elemental Focus Stone - Item - World of Warcraft is based on the haste or spell power version.

Currently on live it's apparently HASTE not spellpower although the tooltip does say Spellpower.

Last edited by Dememor : 04/17/09 at 5:23 PM.

Offline
Old 04/17/09, 6:54 PM   #116
Binkenstein
mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
 
Binkenstein's Avatar
 
Pandaren Shaman
 
Saurfang
The value of haste changes with your latency. Macro fixed.

www.totemspot.com The Shaman Community Site - My blog

Totemspot Guides includes Ele & Enh guides for Mists

New Zealand Offline
Old 04/18/09, 9:08 AM   #117
Warsur
Glass Joe
 
Warsur's Avatar
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Dun Modr (EU)
I think there's an error with hit value. If you decrease hit in your stats to get a value under 17%, total dps and dephit are not changing.

Tested with Openoffice and Excel 2007, macros on.

Spain Offline
Old 04/18/09, 10:00 AM   #118
Jezele
Piston Honda
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Warsur View Post
If you decrease hit in your stats to get a value under 17%, total dps and dephit are not changing.
I believe this is by design. Technically, the EP value of hit once you've reached the cap is 0, since no more hit will improve your DPS. Instead, it still displays a positive value, telling you how much hit is worth if you were not capped. This allows you to compare items that have different hit values when trying to mix and match which pieces you're going to use to reach hit cap.

Offline
Old 04/18/09, 12:05 PM   #119
Warsur
Glass Joe
 
Warsur's Avatar
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Dun Modr (EU)
Ok if you are over the hit cap but you don't do the same dps with 0% hit than with 17%. Dephit should be different as well.

Spain Offline
Old 04/18/09, 4:40 PM   #120
Binkenstein
mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
 
Binkenstein's Avatar
 
Pandaren Shaman
 
Saurfang
Originally Posted by Warsur View Post
Ok if you are over the hit cap but you don't do the same dps with 0% hit than with 17%. Dephit should be different as well.
Managing the hit cap is something I have not put in, and have no intention of doing. There are hit inclusive and exclusive lootrank/wowhead links available to use as well.

www.totemspot.com The Shaman Community Site - My blog

Totemspot Guides includes Ele & Enh guides for Mists

New Zealand Offline
Closed Thread

Go Back   Elitist Jerks » Class Mechanics » Shamans

Thread Tools