Mental Quickness: Reduced the mana cost of instant cast Shaman spells by 2/4/6% and increases spell power by an amount equal to 23/46/70% of your agility.

(Old was 10/20/30% of AP)

Some of GC's thoughts on the change.
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Why the change to Mental Quickness?

I don't see this happening as the numbers are atm. Currently unbuffed I have 634 agi and 3100 AP, which converts to 443 SP and 930 SP respectively. However:

This is promising in that this talent change is fully intended to have elemental use the bottom of their tree to increase their dps rather than dipping heavily into enh. Hopefully, we can get some simulation and wws numbers to help the devs balance out the exact values for this talent.

This change will also push our spell damage portion of our damage lower, so it is possible the devs could buff the physical part, though personally I like the current feel of enh damage (as well as having decent heals).

"My point was that we weren't trying to design the talent as a way of making AP raid buffs uber for shamans. "

This can't be reason because retribution paladins have same talent with different name and that is ok. I hope they wait with enhancement tree talent changes and push elemental talent changes first.

Now spell power have ep value of 1.
This mean attack power ep value have now 0.7(ap) + 0.3(sp).
After change ep value is 70% what is used to be.
This bumb sp ep value to 1 / 0.7 = 1.4285 and we are one step closer to caster gear.
Agility value is about 1.8ep now or 1.1(ap portion) + 0.7(crit portion)
After change it's: 1.1ap + (0.7crit / 0.7) + 0.7sp = 2.7.

This mean hit go down a lot and agi is hand down best stat for us or that we end up using caster gear with agi gems or something other nonsense.

My recount shows earth shock, lightning bolt, lightning shield and chain lightning contributing ~35% of my dps. These are the abilities that my spell damage will affect. On average considering the spikes and the lows with raid buffs, unleashed rage, trinkets, etc. my spell damage is at 2000. I have ~700 agility unbuffed & ~900 with imp str of earth totem. So the 900 agi will give me ~600 spell damage. A decrease of 1400 sd ~75% of my spell damage. The difference will only become greater as my gear level increases.

Overall I see this is a 10-20% decrease in overall dps and it removes our utility to effectively use maelstrom to heal in a pinch making enh. shamans a terribad class replaceable with DK's or ele shamans for use of their totem of wrath.

P.S. I have no idea how to itemize myself anymore, this changes everything and I doubt that blizzard even knows it.
[INT] is nerfed, [AP] is nerfed, who needs [crit rating] and [hit rating] anymore, i guess armor pen. is a viable stat
now? That or do what others have suggested and wear spell dmg gear, who knows ???

You're doing it severely wrong. Enh DPS is top tier dps currently.

For example:

Wow Web Stats

Wow Web Stats

I think enhancement will be on the lower end before too long, but right now we are pretty high, gear for gear. I don't see the class scaling as well as some others (mages, locks) in the future though.

Numbers > all, apparently.

They decided not to go through with the change:

I was just about to post the same info from GC, yes it seems the feedback today was heard. They plan on leaving MQ the way it is and instead move it in the tree with Static Shock.

While the subject is closed with the change being reverted, I can't help but think it was taking a stab at the symptom rather than the root of the problem.
With the introduction of much needed scaling talents in the deep Elemental tree the problem really should sort itself, to the point where I don't even think it is necessary to move MQ and Static Shock around, not that it would make any difference if they do.

It would really take an awful lot of rebalancing if they would've gone ahead with the change since AP buffs are significantly higher than agi buffs and even most trinkets give on equip/on use AP.

For what it's worth, most of the other DPS'ers absolutely suck. It's easy for Enhance to pull over 4k-4.2k consistently. It's even easier for everyone but a feral druid or an elemental shaman to pull higher. Most of those DPS'ers are sub-4k. That's horrible.

Well that patchwerk was in hilariously bad lag, but it was just some random parses of me up top

Wow Web Stats

Really? According to the overall damage (which is understandably off) you're not even in the top 10. Not to mention on EVERY fight you were out dpsed by at least 1 Hunter. I also have to agree with the person that said most of the other dps was pretty bad, I've seen better numbers from the same classes in our raids. As a prime example your TG Warrior with almost full best in slot gear failed to beat you on just about any fights which is sad because TG-Fury is vastly superior to Enhancement in almost all situations with equal levels of gear. I mean hell, in most of the fights I looked at your Shadow Priests were at the top and Rogues and Mages were sitting on the bottom...

Another thing they could do, is to couple Mental Quickness with our effective mainhand DPS value.

Something like that: "Reduces the mana cost [...] and increases your spell power by an amount equal to twice your effective mainhand weapon dps value."

This should result in almost the same spellpower value as now, but would stop elementals from using that talent AND enhancement shamans using caster weapons. It would also increase our scaling a bit and give 2h a small boost.

Could somebody please post this idea in the us-boards thread please?

I really don't want to derail this now-fairly-defunct thread into a discussion of our approximate placement in the "dps heirarchy". But, you're smoking something if you think that trash dps, by a class with little good aoe, matters in an instance where trash is aoe-chain-pulled.

Finally the point of linking the wws wasn't to show how awesome their raid was. It was to indicate that enhance is far from the "bottom of the dps meters".

In any case since the MQ change was reverted can we just get this thread locked or something? I don't see how much useful discussion can be made now.

Patchwerk was bad due to Mal'Ganis server lag, as Zyla mentioned. When it cleared up later, it turns out Enhance was still competitive on a fight that requires quite a bit of dps time lost to movement: Wow Web Stats (as of posting, this is the 13th best WWS of Sapphiron recorded)

Just looking at the WWS for Gluth i already know which Hunter handled Trash and where the Shaman stood. My guess is behind the Boss dps'ing like mad. Or how do you explain that a 5+k dps Hunter suddenly drops to 2k ?
All in all were not doing great at Trash dps (doesn't bother me though) and we could do better Single Target DPS. With the upcoming nerf to BM Hunters though (and if they fix Eviscerate spam) we ought to come out on top, since they won't nerf Mental Quickness anymore. So cheers !

Yeah, it's pretty scary that this even got as far as it did. Like uhm... huh?

maybe if your calculator is made in crazyland.

Its funny, considering how many of the fights linked in those parses are top ten/fifty on wws. JUST SAYIN!