On most fights i do real well, but on patch my damage sux. i know its mainly do to the fact chain lightning cant branch. While looking at some of the wws i don't see much CL in the rotation, is chainlightning lowering my dps?

I have a WWS, i even dropped searing hoping to up my damage but i get rocked regardless.

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The stat differences are:

SP - 2066 --> 2073 = +7
Crit - 24.19% (497) --> 25.06% (539) = +.87% (42)
Haste - 16.29% (534) --> 15.22% (499) = -1.07% (25)

so a 7 spellpower and .87% crit gain for a 1.07% haste loss. My opinion would be for the haste considering you're already at 24% crit and only 16% to haste.

Thing I noticed right away is 38% crit rate on your top dps spell ( LB ) Could be a victim of bad RNG, but running with only arcane mages is going to drastically affect that as well.

You definitely cast a few CLs. Avg of one per 9sec, which isn't overkill if it's being used to tighten up the rotation.

I think most casters will be pissed if you drop a searing for your own personal gain, unless you roll with two Ellies, and in that parse you are not. It accounted for 7% of your total damage, which is nothing to sneeze at, certainly your own boost from ToW is nowhere near that. Raid-wide is a different story.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...vksEsIdQ&hl=en

This is the spreadsheet I use for my gearing. BIS Yeilds 2168 SP(counting 200 for Sarth trink), 16% Haste and 16% Crit.

I'm not bothering with non-mail items in my BIS.

Searing actually lowers your personal DPS because you have to keep redropping it, plus 280 spelldamage + a possible 3% crit will do more than 7% of your damage.

I appreciate the help. TBH i didnt even look at my crit rating on the report, but on a side note with the pvp equipped it free'ed up some sockets so my sp went up quite a bit. Also made Spell shock ring Hopeful ill have some numbers to post tonight after we do some 3 drake action. I generally top meters by quite a bit due to chain ligntning branching. A quick question though, on fights where chain lightning doesn't branch its best to ultimately spam LB correct? In bc i was enhance and i miss my white dmg lol.

Firstly i must say that im new to elemental just respecced 3 days ago but got decent gear for my time beng offspec (i was always Enhancement)

So trying this new path i had a bit of a problem getting my dps up.

First of all my gear changed allot last raid so the WWS bellow will probably done with allot of different gear.

Still i seem to go wrong somewhere, i dont know maybe my hit is too high or im using the rotation wrong. Something does not feel right and im sure that at 2.9k Dps on Patchwerk you would agree with me.

I am trying to prove my guild that elemental is a very good raiding spec so i would appreciate the help in improving myself.

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I will change some of my gems to lower my hit but still something doesnt feel right.

Sorry if its long and maybe unclear but although im reading these posts for some time now i never posted here so im technically new in posting and elemental, worst combo i guess

Also i would like to ask you if i should use [Grim Toll] instead of [The Egg of Mortal Essence] cause that would allow me to regem most of my slots with +19SP gems. I already have [Mark of the War Prisoner] equipped

Any opinions would be greatly apreciated

I'd say keep your current trinkets (MofWP and Sundial) and then gem hit untill you are capped (with spriest/moonkin) and pure dmg for the rest. You only need two blue gems to activate the meta so you could gain some more dmg by replacing a blue gem with a runed red.

You could also enchant your gloves with spelldmg instead of hit

My first hit set included the cloth badge belt with a [Eternal Belt Buckle]

I still have it, and have tossed two greens in to activate my meta. Sick of replacing runed cardinals in the 7.5 and still waiting for my blue sockets in boots / bracers.

You will find out soon, that mp5 is a complete waste of any item's budget. So you will notice better results from the above belt.

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My haste, or something, seemed to be causing a bunch of rejected casts again, even more so during Heroism.

I think my LB was at 1.21 during heroism.

So I am unsure whether this is close to the numbers I am capable of. Open to critique.

Unless your gear changed significantly, I'm scratching my head as to why your max lava burst crit number is so low. Your gear is better than mine, but my max damage lava burst crits tend to be around 12K.

Aside from that make sure you aren't using your flame shock so much. You had 18 flame shocks in a 233 second fight (1 per 13 seconds or so). That means you are overwriting the previous flameshock which is a no no. Wait until the flameshock is completely done ticking to allow for the last tick at the end. That also easts up fewer GCDs during your rotation.

You also used LvB 22 times in the 233 second fight which means you were getting one off every 10.5 seconds. You want that as close to 9.5 seconds as possible. Try only using 1 CL per rotation (you are using 2 per LvB right now) or even none. You should really only use CL when you can't fit in a LB before the next LvB is up. If you use 2 CLs, that's about 3 seconds compared to using 1 LB which is only 2 seconds. That change would theoretically shave off 1 second from your time between LvBs. However, haste and BL/Heroism obviously change that.

Speaking of BL/Heroism, it looks like you are probably using your CL while it's up. Don't. Only use LB when BL up.

Finally, I'm not sure if I can check this on your armory, but you do have the flameshock glyph, right? If you don't, you need it. That is the best elemental shaman glyph, hands down, no question. End of story.

I am using the Flameshock glyph ofcourse.

At the moment i am also using Flametongue but ill change that with LB glyph to see if it improves.

Thx for the feedback guys and as i said something is not seeming right here, maybe im doing something wrong but i really dont know what.

So glad that this forum thread was made. Here is a report from my latest Patchwerk kill.

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I do not use CL at any time in my rotation. I cannot seem to break the circa 4500 dps mark. I am hit capped use Flask of the Frost Wyrm, spellpower food etc. Hopefully someone might be able to catch something from this parse.

I believe "I do not use CL at any time in my rotation." explains why "I cannot seem to break the circa 4500 dps mark."

There really is not a good reason why you shouldn't have CL in your rotation. CL does more DPS than lightning bolt when you average their cast time to their damage done (even on single targets). The only real draw back is that CL uses a lot more mana but even then mana really isn't an issue for elemental shaman at the moment.

Even without the point that CL does more DPS than LB, the most importatnt fact about CL is that it is used to keep your rotation as close to 1 LvB per 8 seconds in a boss fight. Some people choose to spam CL whenever it's up while others use is sparingly, only when they need it to balance the rest of their rotation to meet the 8 second cooldown timer of LvB.

Either way, using the mentality of "No CL in my rotation" is only hurting your DPS. I would suggest you start finding a place for it in your encounters.

P.S. A good exercise to use with WWS reports is to take how long the fight took in seconds and divide it by how many LvB's you were able to cast. The best I've done is about 1 LvB every 9.45 sec but i hear people talking about 8.5 to 9 sec being a very tight rotation.

You have a rate of 10.15 sec for every LvB cast which isn't bad considering you never use CL, but that also means you have room for improvement.

Funny, I can hit 5.2k without using CL.

I'd say the problem is more that he's way under hit cap, using a DMC Greatness trinket which is nigh on useless for elemental, has a substandard belt, really really odd gem use (especially since only one Dragons Eye is used), and has made some questionable talent choices (1 convection + 1 Elemental weapons dropped to take imp GW?)

Also, the fact that the fight went for almost four minutes rather than the normal 3-ish means that overall dps is deflated more towards unbuffed dps vs heroism dps.

I'm sure there are plenty of us that could do well over 5k with no CL, but what does that prove? It is still an increase of DPS to put CL in your rotation. The point here is that if he needed only 50 dps more to hit the 4500 mark then adding CL to a rotation to where it did not previously exist would be an instant fix to the problem.

He did say he was hit capped but his armory doesn't reflect this which leaves me wondering if he has hit gear swapped out for some reason or is just misinformed on how much he needs.. But then I check the WWS he linked and noticed he didn't miss a single cast which pretty much answers that question.

Finally the length of the fight wouldn't gimp his DPS that much, I know because I'm used to around 3:30 Patchwerks and I still put out around 5400 DPS.

I'm sticking with CL on this one while you wait for better gear which obviously improves DPS on its own.

You can't generalize the use of CL , its usefulness lies in tightening your rotation and thats about it. At my haste rating of 545 with a boomkin using chain is a dps decrease, my rotation is its tightest with 5x Lightning Bolt. Oh and like Bink said about dps without chain, 5864DPS without a boomkin haste buff last week :O. Now if only our failkin will show up.


Edit- Btw I do agree that in his current stats it would help tighten his rotation. What Elemental shaman gets a Greatness Card? /facepalm

I'm a resto shaman, so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. The last point in elemental weapons is worth 15 spellpower. For a true min-max build you are going to take that over ghostwolf every time, but it's certainly understandable for a casual pve player to want a hybrid pvp spec. The choice of a +hit dragons eye is curious, if that brings you exactly to the hit cap, I can understand the choice, but otherwise you are always going to be better off with the red. I think you are probably better off replacing your JC trinket and using the JC gem to fill blue slots.

Alright this is driving me nuts. I've been elemental for a very long time. All through BC I was top in terms of DPS but since WoTLK I have been near or at the bottom of the meters every raid. I held out hope that the last patch was going to be my key to having respectable dps once again. While I did see a slight increase post-patch it was no where near what I was hoping for.

I've read this thread along with the rotations thread and I've done a fair bit of experimenting this past week but nothing I do seems to put me where I think I should be with my gear.

So would one of the experts please take a moment just to glance over my gear and make sure everything is in order?

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I have the Glyph of Lightning Bolt, Glyph of Flame Shock and Glyph of Lava.

I will post a Patchwerk wws next week but for now here is our recent Sarth3D kill. It seems like my average lightning bolt is just much lower than it should be. During this fight there is a fair bit of moving around so it may be impossible to get any good info. from it, I just wanted to see if I'm missing anything obvious.

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Thank you.

Are you sure you have max-rank Lightning Bolt on your bar? I know that sounds stupid, but I can't think of any other reason your LBs would be hitting for that little.

@ Patamon - According to WWS, you're casting Rank 11 LB, not rank 14. That's gonna hurt your DPS a bit. =P

wouldn't want to whine, but is there nothing you could do to help me? reluctant about quoting my own posts, so... Post nr 313 in this thread. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Sorry - it's just that it's tough on the brain to decipher all the German on the WWS. It also makes it difficult to do a full analysis - but let's start with gear because I can read the armoury link just fine!

Hit cap - he is 67 over hit cap yet has 2 hit trinkets and 2 SP/Hit gems. Change the gems for pure SP and swap the figurine for Sundial of the Exiled until he gets a better drop.
Gems - he has 4 SP/Crit gems - Swap them for pure SP
Enchants - He has a stats enchant on bracers - change this for a SP enchant.
Totem - this is a truly horrible totem, get the Ven Co on, the BoJ one or best of all the Patchwerk one.
Resto gear - his bracers, belt and boots are resto shammy gear - get DPS gear ASAP. The crafted boots are better.

Doing all of that will increase his DPS significantly.