[Elemental] WWS & Gearing help thread - Page 2

Chaostheoryx · 01/03/09, 5:22 PM

I've found a convenient way of putting together gear sets: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

You can even add any buffs in the game if you like. I've added just the food buff for those cases where, if I'm ~40 hit short of cap, I can add in the +40 hit food.

SEIC v3.0.8.4 shows a total DPS of 5098 for the following set: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

Benefactor, Wanton, Curse, T7head/shoulders/chest:
       Stats	Curse	Dragon	Racial	Total		
DPS	4716	157	226	25	5099

I get 5122 DPS with this set using 4pc and Spider trinket instead of Curse: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

Wanton, Spider, T7head/shoulders/chest/gloves:
       Stats	Spider	Dragon	Racial	Total		
DPS	4817	54      226	25	5122

I get 5141 DPS with 4pc, Wanton, Curse, Titanium Shock: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

Chaostheoryx · 01/04/09, 6:03 AM

I think an important gearing question is: What are the cheapest sources of hit? I derived an approximate cost value using SEIC. I chose two competing items (best w/ hit vs. best w/o hit) and totaled their stats to DEP (excluding hit on original item). I then divided by "depspell" converting the terms to spell power. Next, I took the difference between the two items in spell power then divided the result by the Hit on the +Hit item. This gives (I think) the value of the Hit on the original item in terms of the spell power lost by not using the pure DPS item. For example, the Signet of the Malevolent is equivalent to ~68 Spell Power (excluding the hit), whereas the Titanium Spellshock Ring is ~97. You've lost 29 spell power in exchange for 49 Hit. Thus, 29/49, 1Hit = 0.59 SPower

Sources, from cheapest (If completes 4pc):
[Wyrmrest Necklace of Power] instead of [Cosmic Lights] -- Free, it's that good
[Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderpads] instead of [Mantle of the Eternal Sentinel] -- 0.43(Free) SPower
[Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster] instead of [Leggings of Voracious Shadows] -- 0.28 SPower
[Dying Curse] instead of [Embrace of the Spider] -- 0.33 SPower
[Valorous Earthshatter Gloves] instead of [Benefactor's Gauntlets] -- 0.84(0.36) SPower

These 5 items above provide shamans the cheapest 271 Hit in game(afaik).

[Cincture of Polarity] instead of [Girdle of Recuperation] -- 0.40 SPower
[Signet of the Malevolent] instead of [Design: Titanium Spellshock Ring] -- 0.59 SPower
[Plush Sash of Guzbah](w/19sd) instead of [Girdle of Recuperation] -- 0.74 SPower
[Mark of the War Prisoner] instead of [Sundial of the Exiled] -- 1.09 SPower

+8Hit/+12 Stam -- 1.13 SPower
+40 Hit Food -- 1.15 SPower
+16Hit Gem -- 1.19 SPower
Old Helm Enchant -- 1.24 SPower
Surestrike Glove Enchant -- 1.4 SPower

So if I've done this right, lessons to take away from this would be:

1. The Surestrike enchant is bad.
2. It is better to gear Hit than to use gems/enchants/food.
3. Gearing to ~250 Hit rating (for non-Draenei) and using [Snapper Extreme] is fine if the only alternative is to use more gems.
4. Would be helpful to see a 'stat cost' metric in our favorite websites and spreadsheets, though I've no idea what that should look like.

Caveats: It's very late and I'm no mathematician. There are probably ten ways to achieve better results with less effort.

Zomglazerpew · 01/04/09, 4:18 PM

Armory
WWS

Thinking about replacing the Badge of the Infiltrator with Darkmoon Card: Death but I'm not 100% sure on how that would work out.

Mmootimus · 01/04/09, 10:10 PM

So today I picked up both my dream items - T7 head and Dying Curse in one clear (we had 3x Dying Curse so a lot of happy casters) - and my best-in-slot set just got a lot closer.

After a major re-analysis of my gear, the main conclusion is that at this stage its probably marginally better to stick with [Plush Sash of Guzbah] than upgrade to Girdle of Recuperation. Although there isn't a lot in it, the Sash just seems too cheap a source of hit to get rid of.

I may finally drop the Sash if/when I ever get [Signet of the Malevolent] from Naxx10. My plan is now to try and pick up that plus [Signet of Manifested Pain] for my other ring slot, and then [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] and [Pennant Cloak] from Sartharion. And well, thats it.

Having spent many hours with WoWHead, I can't see any other improvements (unless I am suddenly allowed to roll on cloth). I would appreciate any comments.

LITTLER0TT · 01/04/09, 11:10 PM

Your "dream Set" is pretty close to my dream set. The only difference is I am really liking[Boots of Impetuous Ideals], which would make space for Girdle of Recuperation. They are also BoE so you MITE spot them on the auction house from time to time for some ridiculous amount of gold.

Other then that exactly like my Dream set.

Now if only the Prot helm will drop in 25 man Naxx, Vanquisher has double dropped 4 weeks in a row...Well done blizz 4 classes 1 token..Makes me about as disgusted as 2 girls 1 cup....hmmm

Binkenstein · 01/04/09, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mmootimus

So today I picked up both my dream items - T7 head and Dying Curse in one clear (we had 3x Dying Curse so a lot of happy casters) - and my best-in-slot set just got a lot closer.

After a major re-analysis of my gear, the main conclusion is that at this stage its probably marginally better to stick with [Plush Sash of Guzbah] than upgrade to Girdle of Recuperation. Although there isn't a lot in it, the Sash just seems too cheap a source of hit to get rid of.

I may finally drop the Sash if/when I ever get [Signet of the Malevolent] from Naxx10. My plan is now to try and pick up that plus [Signet of Manifested Pain] for my other ring slot, and then [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] and [Pennant Cloak] from Sartharion. And well, thats it.

Having spent many hours with WoWHead, I can't see any other improvements (unless I am suddenly allowed to roll on cloth). I would appreciate any comments.

I'm trying to avoid posting too much in this thread, but here's a few things to think about.

5 SP > 8 Haste, so swap the Neck/Helm gems
You're missing an [Eternal Belt Buckle]
It's better to get blue sockets with hit/stam gems than dmg/stam gems. This is because 19/2 = 9.5, but 16/2 = 8, so if you swapped the two dmg/stam gems for hit/stam, you'd be up 1 SP
I assume the lack of helm enchant is purely because you just got it and haven't had a chance to enchant it yet. Same with the green gem there.

Mmootimus · 01/04/09, 11:57 PM

Just to say I appreciate the advice, and I do have the belt buckle, it just refuses to show up on Armory

If any of the JCs on my server ever show some interest in making money, I will certainly track down some Vivid gems for the blue slots. Those boots also look interesting, although I can't see them regularly reaching the AH for a while.

daruu · 01/05/09, 5:13 AM

The World of Warcraft Armory

With this gear i went up 400dps vs t7 gear( i assume it was because of the 4p bonus)
Dont got a wws, but my dps was around 2.3k with "80 gear" and 2.7k with the t6

Am i doing something wrong with the gear/specc ?(except the lack of good gems/enchants, im aware of that)

Edit: in 10 mans this is, got a bit more in 25 man raids

Chaostheoryx · 01/05/09, 9:36 AM

What say we agree on some parameters for SEIC and have a gear "cage match?"

I'll start with my recommendation:
-No racials, including Draenei aura.
-Use food buffs
-Must have no less than 285 hit (can use hit food though)
-Include version of SEIC used for calc.
-Manually add the proc (only) from chosen trinkets
-No relics until supported by SEIC or agreed-upon models.

Perhaps have a separate category for Draenei and maybe "Mail only."

Katalyna · 01/07/09, 10:59 PM

In all this discussion, I'm just curious how [Gown of the Spell-Weaver] from Maly10 and [Valorous Earthshatter Hauberk] from Naxx25 compare.

To Clarify, as really that's a stupid question, I've gotten the gown, and I've gemmed and enchanted it - I just got benefactor's last night which means I've broken 4pc. Is the 4pc that useful? Or should I ditch the gown in favor of 4pc T7? Having the gown has allowed me to regem for spell dmg.

Ghando · 01/08/09, 1:56 AM

Figure out what your stats would be in an optimally gemmed and enchanted setup with the gown and with the T7 chest. But yeah, the Maly10 chest is stupidly good..

Manpile · 01/08/09, 3:44 AM

Figure I'll ask in this thread as well for optimal results!

The World of Warcraft Armory

(I am probably logged out in my valorous earthshatter kilt but imagine the 226s in their place) Tonight I picked up [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster] and the hit on them is absolutely ridiculous. I replaced my [Valorous Earthshatter Kilt]

Unfortunately they put me a little overhit cap, but I can't do anything about that until razuvious drops my belt. But anyway some questions arose. How good is the 4 piece bonus? Is the 10% critical strike bonus additive or multiplicative? Does anyone have any ideas as to how much of a DPS boost it is?

Second question, partly related, is whether or not I should go for [Valorous Earthshatter Gloves] The hit rating on them is great but I will have way more hit rating than I'll know what to do with, likely going to opt for wraith strike over my current weapon. But the gloves, as everyone knows, are horribly itemized. The mp5 is absolutely atrocious, to the point where I'm not sure whether it's worth getting my 4 piece if it means resorting to inferior gear like that.

tl;dr version:

Valorous Helm/Shoulders/Chest/Legs

vs

Valorous Helm/Shoulders/Chest/Hands with 226 legs

vs

Valorous Helm/Shoulders/Chest with 226 legs and non-terrible gloves

and what is the ep value of our 4 piece? It will improve next patch as the spell damage coefficient gets better too right?

tufy · 01/08/09, 3:57 AM

Unfortunately they put me a little overhit cap, but I can't do anything about that until razuvious drops my belt. But anyway some questions arose. How good is the 4 piece bonus? Is the 10% critical strike bonus additive or multiplicative? Does anyone have any ideas as to how much of a DPS boost it is?

Basically

With set bonus: [base damage] + 0.545 * (1 + [elemental fury] + [lava flows] + [T7 4-set]) = 1 + 0.545 * (1 + 1 + 0.24 + 0.1) = 2.2753

Without set bonus: 2.2208

Difference: 2.2753 / 2.2208 = 1.0245 -> 2.45% damage on each LvB.

Since LvB represents roughtly 25% of our damage, that's 2.45 * 0.25 = 0.61%

As you can see, the bonus is extremely low.

P.S.: Wraith Strike <3

Cragen · 01/08/09, 5:56 AM

Right now I'm so close to my dream gear it's almost scary.

Only miss Torch of Holy Fire and Signet of Manifested Pain from heroic Kel'Thuzad, and Illustration of the Dragon Soul and Pennant Cloak from Sartharion.

That is about it really. So I just need that and get 375 jewelcrafting for the 3x prismatic 32 spellpower gems and I might as well take a long break till Uludar :P

Now I havn't done any math on this gear, but just used commen sence really. But from what you guys have written it should be close to the best gear we can get without wasting stats.
I only use two 16 hit gems, and one 8 hit/9 spellpower to be completely hit capped, and you don't get any
useless stats like MP/5 or spirit (except for the 15 MP/5 on the mace, but unless we can magicly learn to use swords it's the best item in slot for us)

But, right now the only item, I'm a bit unsure about is Embrace of the Spider. If I should stick to that or use Sundial of the Exiled. Would test it out my self, but Kazzak is lagging like crazy so have yet to get a proper Patchwerk
kill to use as a baseline when it comes to my personal dps.

Vistol · 01/08/09, 9:57 AM

Maybe i'm just an idiot but do we have an existing model for what the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] is worth?