[Elemental] WWS & Gearing help thread - Page 3

Ezareth · 01/08/09, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by tufy

Basically

With set bonus: [base damage] + 0.545 * (1 + [elemental fury] + [lava flows] + [T7 4-set]) = 1 + 0.545 * (1 + 1 + 0.24 + 0.1) = 2.2753

Without set bonus: 2.2208

Difference: 2.2753 / 2.2208 = 1.0245 -> 2.45% damage on each LvB.

Since LvB represents roughtly 25% of our damage, that's 2.45 * 0.25 = 0.61%

As you can see, the bonus is extremely low.

P.S.: Wraith Strike <3

At max current gear in a raid environment it works out to 60 DPS.

If you can get the equivalent of 50-60 more spellpower by dropping the set bonus, then do it.

And chaotic Skyflare is so good that nothing has approached it in terms of being nearly as useful for DPS.

Mmootimus · 01/08/09, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Vistol

Maybe i'm just an idiot but do we have an existing model for what the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] is worth?

What its worth is dependant on your gear. What it does is make your crits do 209% of base damage.

Originally Posted by Ezareth

At max current gear in a raid environment it works out to 60 DPS.

If you can get the equivalent of 50-60 more spellpower by dropping the set bonus, then do it.

And chaotic Skyflare is so good that nothing has approached it in terms of being nearly as useful for DPS.

I believe Bink valued the set bonus at 23 DEP, and my calculations come very close to that also. Personally I would definitely prefer even as little as 30 spellpower over T7 4-pc.

@Katalyna
As for the Gown from Malygos, yes, its very good. Personally my one big gear mistake in WotLK so far was passing on it - although at least one of our priests has more reliable MC now.

Its not entirely clear whether you are able to maintain the 4-pc bonus or what your gear options are. Its also going to matter where you stand in relation to the hit cap. All I can say really is that imho the Gown is a better item than T7, and a very "cheap" way to get +hit in terms of the stats lost. If you are breaking the T7 set bonus just to use it though then the benefits will be very marginal.

Vistol · 01/08/09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mmootimus

What its worth is dependant on your gear. What it does is make your crits do 209% of base damage.

Yes i get that it is a function of spellpower, cirt, and average spell usage. however my multi variable calculus is very much out of practice and i was looking for a functional model if one existed.

Bromance · 01/08/09, 12:42 PM

In regards to Benfactor's Gauntlets...

I'm pretty happy with my gear right now, even my Tier 7 gloves. I think I have the best ring combo (Manifest Pain / Wyrmrest) because there's just no good hit ring in the game right now, so I settle with mp5 (I'm debating a Titanium Spellshock Ring, even though it's only an extra 7 SP). I picked up Benefactor's Gauntlets and ya they're pretty nice but I don't know how I could possibly equip them and remain hit capped.

With a Runed Scarlet Ruby in Valorous gloves (96 SP total), it's hard to pass up on them. Benefactor's would give less SP, and it's not like I need the crit and haste. Ideally, very little of my gear will have mp5 on it anyway, so I don't mind having some on my gloves. Yes Benefactor's Gauntlets are arguably BIS and I'd love to wear them but I see absolutely no logical way to make it work.

Mmootimus · 01/08/09, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bromance

I think I have the best ring combo (Manifest Pain / Wyrmrest) because there's just no good hit ring in the game right now,

[Signet of the Malevolent]?

I would also say [Signet of the Kirin Tor] and [Band of Guile] are better than Wyrmrest, although to be fair its pretty marginal.

Starcrossed · 01/08/09, 1:25 PM

Originally Posted by Bromance

Yes Benefactor's Gauntlets are arguably BIS and I'd love to wear them but I see absolutely no logical way to make it work.

There is always more than one way to skin a cat, but [Benefactor's Gauntlets] is BiS and here's an ideal set that one can consider:

Helm – [Valorous Earthshatter Helm]
Neck – [Wyrmrest Necklace of Power]
Shoulders – [Valorous Earthshatter Shoulderpads]
Cloak - [Pennant Cloak]
Chest – [Valorous Earthshatter Hauberk]
Bracers – [Bands of Mutual Respect]
Main Hand – [Wraith Strike]
Shield – [Voice of Reason]
Totem – [Totem of Hex]
Hands – [Benefactor's Gauntlets]
Waist – [Girdle of Recuperation]
Legs – [Valorous Earthshatter Kilt]
Feet – [Eruption-Scarred Boots]
Ring 1 – [Signet of Manifested Pain]
Ring 2 – [Signet of the Malevolent]
Trinket 1 – [Dying Curse]
Trinket 2 – [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

I always appreciate the discussion here (although rarely ever contribute). Best regards.

Mmootimus · 01/08/09, 1:31 PM

@Starcrossed
Exactly what I am aiming for. With the exception that Torch of Holy Fire is preferable to Wraith Strike. Considering its best-in-slot for us and Shadow Priests (and possibly other DPS) its not unreasonable to ask for it, despite the mp/5.

And now I will try and stop posting in this thread so much.

Bromance · 01/08/09, 1:33 PM

If I use Signet of the Malevolent, I'd be hit capped (with precision enchant) and could then equip Benefactor's Gauntlets.

I would gain 38 crit / 51 haste, and lose 29 sp / 34 mp5. I hate losing SP, especially with the buffs coming, but that could be a better combo, good call man

Tarwin · 01/08/09, 1:58 PM

I like Footsteps of Malygos in the Feet slot better. Assuming you are putting a Runed Scarlet Ruby in the Eruption-Scared Boots, you are gaining 18 Haste while losing 7 SP, 1 Crit and 5 Int by going with the Footsteps. The advantage of the Eruption-Scared is a gem slot if you are not hit-capped.

Binkenstein · 01/08/09, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by Vistol

Maybe i'm just an idiot but do we have an existing model for what the [Chaotic Skyflare Diamond] is worth?

No, we do not. Given the fact that I can unequivocally say that CSD is so much better than any other meta gem available, I am really worried that so many people want a) "values" or models for it, and b) want to know the same thing for other metas. Is 9% extra damage when you crit really that hard to compare to say, a 25 sp meta with 2% bonus int?

Originally Posted by Starcrossed

There is always more than one way to skin a cat, but [Benefactor's Gauntlets] is BiS and here's an ideal set that one can consider:
I always appreciate the discussion here (although rarely ever contribute). Best regards.

[sarcasm]Thanks for that stellar contribution. [/sarcasm]

I think we should stay away from "I want this gear" or "this is my BiS gear list" discussions. This thread should be for people going "I need some help improving my dps. I'm doing blah blah blah" with important details such as WWS postings (We can get armory links from your profile). Then we can say "I think you should re-gem this" or "have you considered getting item X?".

Vistol · 01/08/09, 2:38 PM

Well it is preaty clear that [Torch of Holy Fire] is best in slot by a fairly big margin, most likely you would be doing your guild a disservice by taking it over [Wraith Strike] (at least early on) with its much more limited class usage.

Should be noted in any gear listings.

Starcrossed · 01/08/09, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

[sarcasm]Thanks for that stellar contribution. [/sarcasm]

I thought that this thread was an "[Elemental] WWS & Gearing help thread." I was attempting to help him get a feel for what gear he can find for hit and was sincere in my intentions. My list was not a "'I want this gear' or 'this is my BiS gear list'" discussion, but - rather - a way that one can look at it (not a final word).

Ghando · 01/08/09, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Vistol

Well it is preaty clear that [Torch of Holy Fire] is best in slot by a fairly big margin, most likely you would be doing your guild a disservice by taking it over [Wraith Strike] (at least early on) with its much more limited class usage.

Should be noted in any gear listings.

I'm not sure how big a margin. 60 SP is a lot, but at the same time you're trading a good chunk of crit for what is essentially a wasted/useless stat in mp5. Torch will remain BIS just because SP scales better than anything else but it's not a as big an upgrade as you might think.

Ezareth · 01/08/09, 7:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mmootimus

I believe Bink valued the set bonus at 23 DEP, and my calculations come very close to that also. Personally I would definitely prefer even as little as 30 spellpower over T7 4-pc.

I wouldn't. The 4 Piece bonus is definately increasing your damage more than 30 SP would unless you are in horrible gear, in some solo environment.

Originally Posted by Vistol

Well it is preaty clear that [Torch of Holy Fire] is best in slot by a fairly big margin, most likely you would be doing your guild a disservice by taking it over [Wraith Strike] (at least early on) with its much more limited class usage.

Should be noted in any gear listings.

Torch is easily best in slot to its item level, but I'd never take it over a healer. MP5 is wasted stats for us, but useful for them. If your guild lets you bid on it great, but I'd personally just feel guilty.

Sjera · 01/08/09, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ezareth

I wouldn't. The 4 Piece bonus is definately increasing your damage more than 30 SP would unless you are in horrible gear, in some solo environment.

I would dispute this. My best calculations for it show it to be worth 24dps.
I've recently abandoned the t7 4 piece bonus in favour of grabbing more haste.

If I get any noticeable loss of dps I'll let you know - but I think the claim that its worth 60 spell power is doubtful at best.
I guess if I'm wrong, I'll notice at the next Patchwerk fight.