Hello,

Yes it is. But there are sooooo much upgrades to be done. In such a case i would rather make some hero/10 men and then spend some gold to fill the last spots.

Anyway there are some ideas :
*craft mace
*JC craft blue ring (hit/crit/sp/socket)
*JC craft epic ring (crit/sp/socket)
*tailoring craft back (crit/haste/sp)
*badge belt cloth then offhand as soon as she has the badges
*thaddius gloves (BoE)

i have been rearranging gear and re-gemming trying to get the ideal setup.

i have been messign with swtichign the [Valorous Earthshatter Gloves] with the [Benefactor's Gauntlets] as most peope have been doing.

i have also been trying using the [Valorous Earthshatter Gloves] and using [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster].

compared between the two setups:
using the [Leggings of the Wanton Spellcaster] i was above the hit cap so i was able to regem for 19sp and also got more haste than the gauntlet/valor legs combo.
however with the gauntlets/valor legs i got almost 1.5% more crit.

the spellpower difference was not that noticable maybe only 20 more sp.

the two things i could tell was hate and crit.

what do you guys recomend?

I think 20sp + some haste > 1.5%crit.

And you still have ~15/20 spare hit (for a futur bracer change or...)

Removing this, sorry, didn't realize [Battlemaster's Accuracy] was in the spreadsheet, i'll go back to excel.

<-- Armory, of course.
Right now I'm trying to decide about upgrading my ring.
A) signet of the malevolent, keep current belt and replace heroic ring with KT ring?
B) drop emblems on sash and replace northern tears with KT ring?
C) roll on +hit belt from thaddius (25 man) and replace northern tears with KT ring?
D) other? (wait in line for haste+spell power cloth gear like belt and such, keeping northern tears or getting 10 man hit ring?)

For reference, loot rules in my guild:
Cloth is prioritized to clothies, EXCEPT those with +hit on them (ie wanton)
Anything with mp5 is prioritized to healers (ie torch)

Any input on the best combo to upgrade the northern tears ring would be appreciated!

just trying to get an outsiders point of view. my current gear set up seems to be the max sp-haste-crit i can muster atm while keeping my hit. i have fallout, girdle, wraith, and war prisoner in the bank as well as hero's gloves maxed with hit. just want to see what you guys think? see anything that i might could switch? or possibly a regem/enchant i am not thinking about? i have read a lot about the maly 10 cloth chest, but nothing about the 10man 4h chest which is similar. ( im wearing atm)i have been the MT for my guild since t5 content, and am thinking about making the imfamous transition from alt to main. ele's are just too fun. i have tanking down to a science, but this ranged caster business is rather new to me. thanks in advance for whatever help you can offer.

this being my first post, i wanted to add that what you guys have researched on this site, and in this thread is an amazing thing and you guys are an invaluable part of this game..so thanks!!

C : you gain max spellpower and can't expect better than dropping crit for hit (badge belt for mail belt)

Then try to get the malevolent to switch back to belt mail.



@Big : i would switch the shield for the badge offhand and spend some badges for T7 chest.

@fischsemmel :
Spent some time on your wws and I may miss something (have not used excel nor match your wws versus other people)but can't find anything except no potion of speed use. Did you had flask/spell power food ?

Anyway you could still have some 'easy' upgrades on your stuff/template :
*+23 haste for your back
*+63 sp for your weapon
*rare LK gem for belt
*+10 stats on chest and +10% int talent (int -> crit)

Fisch - what was your latency? Looking at the 2:38 kill that you posted, I think you'll find that you're going to get the same response that several before you have gotten, which is that your LvB's are average of ~10.27 seconds apart, and you should be able to tighten that up.

Here's my last Patch kill, Wow Web Stats with almost exactly same dps time. Our gear looks pretty similar (this was before I got the sarth trinket, you can check my gear/stats and compare the rest. My crit% is a bit higher, and I also popped a speed pot during bloodlust.

Hope the comparison helps.

Edit: I didn't go through to analyze the LO procs on yours, hell I got lost trying to count them on my own report. If I counted correctly, I had about 18% (so slightly bad luck with RNG I guess). You can check your combat log with spell="lightning bolt" and source="<your name>" and count how many look like LO procs and compare to the total number of LB's. Not sure if there is an easier way to do it, but that's one way to find out if you just fell victim to the RNG.

Thanks, Curtis. I actually did know of all those potential boosts, but I have some lazy moments And yeah, I was rolling with flask of the frost wyrm and fish feast for consumables.


Joe - WoW claims my latency is almost always under 100 (mousing over my options button). I use quartz as a castbar mod though, and it says that in combat on raid bosses my latency is rarely below 200, often as high as 600-700... probably averaging between 300 and 400 on most nights.


I can't remember if this was regarding the two WWS that I posted or others of mine that I've looked at, but I think I had somewhere around 18 seconds of DPS time without flameshock up. Also I think that tightening up my rotation would basically allow me to have an extra LvB cast, but I think that would be coming at the cost of 1.2 seconds of casting a LB. Fixing these two problems alone will not even boost my DPS on the fight by 100 (if thinking about it in my head a bit is accurate).

It's not that I am in denial that the little things (slightly better enchants, replacing my 16 SP gem, squeezing in one more LvB in a 2 minute fight, a speed pot, etc.) will boost my DPS... but they are such small upgrades that even if I am RIGHT on top of all of them, I'm still not going to get over 5k unless there is more factoring in (like my guild puts together a 2:00 kill or something).

Is my combination of latency and gear just not going to let me get much higher than I am at right now, no matter how perfectly my rotation, enchants, etc., are?

Im right in the same boat as Fisch, I hover around 4.8-4.9k on my patch kills, I have hit 5.1k on a Raz kill. Its probably my 200ish ms latency that is keeping my rotation from being tighter. For elemental is a speed pot better or is wild magic better? I have been using wild magic pots.

I still have a few slots that aren't BiS yet (still need voice of reason, eruption scarred boots, signet of manifested pain, and pennant cloak).