gemming for mp5 - very bad idea for elem. I'm never reach OOM (just refresh WS and use Thunder)
The mp5 gems were 5-10g each, helpful when cheaply re-gemming gear in order to swap out Forge Ember instead of using Mark of the War Prisoner (510*10/50-55 > 340*20/120), if you must know. Stamina matters for kiting on Gluth I guess, but for the most part, it's a non-issue, and, possibly irrelevant to this thread since there is not much cross interaction between stamina and DPS.
I'm pretty sure it's much better for me to get the hit I need from the Ring^ but a little unsure about the shield/offhand and the helm. I realize I'm at the (buffed) hit cap right now, but a little more +hit from gear means more SP gems, better helm enchant, and easier to replace the Ebonweave Robe when a drop comes my way.
I used the offhand up until the point where I didn't need the hit; Littlerott is correct in that a truly min/maxing Ele Shaman won't care about a shield except in certain circumstances where he expects to get hit. I really think that particular offhand is BIS until you either have ample hit from other high-ilevel sources or you get the Voice of Reason off Kel (personally I keep losing rolls to Holy Pallies).
P.S. This seems like an obvious point, but in 5-mans you should always be using a shield. You tend to get hit a lot more, the armor makes a bigger relative difference for your survivability and hit is far less important when the highest-level mob you'll nuke is 82.
I maintain 2 sets for elemental dps (Outfitter mod for quick swapping). One labeled "Boss" and one labeled "Trash". Granted, most of my items are used for both sets right now, but my "trash" set (used for trash mobs as well as 5-mans) only has about 180-200 hit or so, but a couple % more crit, and 50-100 more haste rating. I can't recall exactly what the #'s are, but you get the idea. Anyway, I only bring this up to say I use the shield for both sets at the moment, and am not using the ward at all. Specifically, I'm wondering if I should swap the shield/ward so that I can switch one more gem to spell power and swap my head enchant... I think that's the one that makes the most sense right now.
Only problem is, I'm not high enough with Kirin'Tor for the 30sp/20crit enchant. Would it be worth it to use the 30sp/Xmp5 from Wyrmrest? (Only ask since that's what I have access to for now... shoulda worked on KT rep first I guess).
Last edited by JoeHeff : 01/17/09 at 7:28 PM.
Reason: left something out
I'm at a lost of words for Ele at this point. After Sunwell, it went all down hill. My question about rotations, is that, is it my rotation that I use, my gear or is it ele that makes me almost last every single time on the Dps chart? I mean my guild is top server, so its a competition for the top spot.
My Armory: Armory is not loading.
I run a pretty standard rotation with the FS Glyph that doesn't becomed Consume, the rotation goes:
FS, LvB, CL, LB until LvB is up, LvB, CL, LB until... etc Renewing FS right before the third LvB.
Thought this would be the right place to ask, Sorry if its not, just looking for some pro help.
I'm at a lost of words for Ele at this point. After Sunwell, it went all down hill. My question about rotations, is that, is it my rotation that I use, my gear or is it ele that makes me almost last every single time on the Dps chart? I mean my guild is top server, so its a competition for the top spot.
My Armory: Armory is not loading.
I run a pretty standard rotation with the FS Glyph that doesn't becomed Consume, the rotation goes:
FS, LvB, CL, LB until LvB is up, LvB, CL, LB until... etc Renewing FS right before the third LvB.
Thought this would be the right place to ask, Sorry if its not, just looking for some pro help.
Pretty hard to say without a working armory link. But what is your average dps, on say a fight like patchwerk, and what is the average for your mages, locks, hunters ect.
Also how is the latency on your server. Since I've at least had major problems with latency. Having between 1.2 to 1.6 second cast time on all my spells + lag and high latency really kills my dps, more so than most casters.
Other than that there's not really a whole lot one can do as elemental to improve dps. There's no real secret trick to it, except gem for spellpower, unless hit capped. And just priortize having flame shock on the target than use lava burst, and CL every CD if you got the mana to keep it up. Now this is pretty basic stuff so I doubt it will be much help.
But at least one can look forward to the buffs in 3.0.8. At least for me it's going to be a major dps increase. I had higher lava burst crits on the PTR test dummy than I've had in raids on live. And this is raid buffed + almost a 150 more spellpower more on live than I have on my PTR copy.
Yea I'm looking forward to the 3.0.8, but yea, the armory is still not loading for me, it won't be my main set of anything, was pvping.
My Server latency is always 100-175, does not excede unless it's tuesday naxx with every single guild in there.
My last Patwork dps check was a slim 3k exactly, (With some .23 or some odd number)
Finally, is the .0.8 patch, is it going to be coming soon? Or is blizzard just oging to keep holding it off?
I think the fact we are getting a ~20% DPS boost in the next patch is a clue that Ele is not quite right. Its quite possible to do everything perfectly and not come near the top 10 for DPS right now.
Equally its entirely possible that you also may be doing something hideously wrong, but thats very hard to say without a WWS link and a working Armory
Unrelated subject - I would really appreciate any constructive criticism of my previous post (#114). I actually hope someone can come up with something I am doing wrong, other than playing on a horribly lagged server.
The only big difference I can see between the 2 WWS reports is
You have 20% (ish) lower crit. Which is definitely a big part of the dps difference.
and the fight was considerably shorter.
Really if you look at not only the shamans but everybody else, DPS is a huge difference.
I personally would pin the biggest factor as lag. Mmootimus, your entire raid did 1000ish dps less then Syvhas. So the lag, plus the massive crit difference.
Looking at your gear, which I believe has changed since that WWS, it all looks good. Rings are kinda meh, but other then that all pretty damn good.
Unrelated subject - I would really appreciate any constructive criticism of my previous post (#114). I actually hope someone can come up with something I am doing wrong, other than playing on a horribly lagged server.
I can't see a huge amount wrong with the WWS. It looks like you are losing about 125 to 160 ms between casts due to latency but that isn't unusual. What I did notice was that, once you get past the Bloodlust 'phase' your time between LvB hits was as follows (rounded to the nearest 0.1s):
9.4
10.9
9.5
10.5
9.7
10.4
9.6
10.5
9.7
10.6
9.6
In other words every other LvB is being delayed by about 1 sec. Looking more closely, it is every time you need to refresh your FS. You are using a consistent rotation using a CL after every LvB but not using it at any other time and refreshing the FS as soon as it runs out:
LvB-CL-4LB-LvB-CL-3LB-FS-LB
The position of the FS is obviously dictated by when you came out of BL but I believe if you squeeze an extra CL in the second half of the sequence you would trim 0.5 sec of each rotation and would improve your DPS. Something along these lines:
LvB-CL-4LB-LvB-CL-2LB-CL-FS-LB
It wouldn't increase your DPS by a huge amount - freeing up about 2.5 secs cast time and increasing your DPS by about 53 from additional casts and about 8 DPS from increase DoT uptime. Total = +61 DPS so about a 1.6% DPS increase.
I'm not sure if that helps or whether you consider it worth the increased mana cost and brain-ache but that's all I could pick up.
P.S. I'm not sure if it's a new upgrade for you but you've got no belt buckle
- Whilst I was aware they existed, I had ignored the benefits of trying to keep FlS up constantly as being too small compared to the effort involved, and the danger of LvB somehow slipping through a gap and being cast with no FlS up.
- On a related issue, I haven't made a serious attempt at using a priority system. Maybe I could nail it with more practice, but in a raid environment where things are going on it has so far made my rotation worse, not better. I have to admit, this may just be a L2P issue on my part.
- This has led me to using just 2 CL's per rotation. Again this may be a slightly easy way out, but its the best I can pull off consistently without mangling it. I see the wisdom in the rotation you give as an example, although due to haste, I need to leave a gap of more than 2 LB's between CL.
- In 3.08 I am planning to trim the second half of my rotation by dropping the CL entirely - so I will go for FlS, LvB, CL, LBx4, LvB, LBx4. I will need to do some more testing, but I am hoping that this will give me a much tighter rotation, which will more than make up for the loss of CL damage. With CL being more of a rotation filler than a DPS boost in 3.08 I hope that a tight fixed rotation will be practically as good as a priority one. If this isn't the case I will have to suck it up and try to sharpen my skills.
- I have a belt buckle I am not sure if its an EU armory thing, or just me, but it won't show. It didn't show when Bink commented on my gear with a different belt a few weeks ago either .
I'm pretty sure it's much better for me to get the hit I need from the Ring^ but a little unsure about the shield/offhand and the helm. I realize I'm at the (buffed) hit cap right now, but a little more +hit from gear means more SP gems, better helm enchant, and easier to replace the Ebonweave Robe when a drop comes my way.
Thoughts/help?
[Hat of Wintry Doom] is a nice crafted sub until you can find something better; having a meta is a big boost.
Also [Ring of Northern Tears] has a blue slot thats worth while filling and as you will need two blues for your meta thats something to keep in mind.
Ohh great i have 8 Main tanks signed up again and 4 healers.
I was just curious again if anyone had an idea of the relative EP/DPS values of items like Dying Curse vs. Illustration of the Dragon Soul. Sundial of the Exalted vs. Embrace of the Spider. I have my own numbers, but they are probably wrong.
I'm very happy with what I've seen so far, as is my guild. Our WWS from tonight Wow Web Stats , fat fingered alot of my rotations and the server was highly unstable/exploding all night. I was running with LB, Lavaburst, flameshock glyphs. full consumables for the most part.
Hi this is my first time posting here. In BC I was enhance, but after they added the wrath talents it lost its fun. So now I am elemental, and thanks to the recent patch I am doing over 4K on all boss fights. I still would like some advice as to hit rating and trinket selection. I recently replaced the alchemist stone with the badge crit trinket. Below is a link to my armory.
I know someone is going to comment on the gloves, so ill explain. Pre patch crit was very useful up to a certain point. So i liked the additional sp from Winter Spectacle Gloves, compared to Benefactor's Gauntlets because recount was showing my over 50% crit. Either way my guild has not seen those drop but they will be my next upgrade.
I hit 5000 DPS on Noth, and 4800 on Patchwerk with a 400 MS ping and I royally botched my rotations and somehow cast a lesser healing wave on myself on patch.
Came in #1 and #2 DPS a couple times each, I'm definately happy with the changes.
5000 DPS should be relatively easy with BIS gear and a solid rotation.
Currently Naxx on Bloodscalp (maybe everywhere) has insane server-side lag. I was really hoping to be able to post some real numbers.
The only saving grace is that out new Magma Totem absolutely destroys trash (over 7k per tick on spider trash). I was neck-and-neck with geared lock / SP on trash last night at least, and with some luck on KT / Sapp (Voids/MCs/Blizzards) I actually came in #2 for those fights!
Will edit with WWS when I get home and parse it. Still no helm off KT :-(
I am still over my hit cap, but finding it hard to get more SP from gems / gear to get it to my magic #
Unsure if it was the lag, but I ended 80% of the boss encounters with full mana. I usually don't run 5/5 Convection, but my forced respec I tried it, added with the new improved Unrelenting Storm and well over 1k Int raid buffed and a resto shammy spring. I am tempted to dump some points elsewhere (from Convection). Since I seem to be tanking a horseman last few weeks the new Elemental Shields may be an option.
Yea very happy with how the changes worked out on live, 4.7 on patchwerk and 4.2 on KT. Didn't have the LB glyph installed at the time just LvB, FT and FS.
I would be interested in hearing more people's results from their raids last night so we can get a ballpark of what the top end really is now.
I really wish I had a WWS to examine but the 2 guys in my guild that normally handle it weren't on. I ended the night with 4212dps for the entire raid (including trash). On Patch I got 5547DPS because I was really pushing to see how high I could get it. I used a Potion of Wild Magic on him, but I also didn't have an absolutely perfect rotation (though no non-crit LvBs). Previous weeks I had been getting 4100ish on him, but I did swap out my Benefactors&T7 legs for T7 gloves/Wanton legs last week as well as swapping out Sundial for the Illustration so I didn't get a chance to see how much that boosted me before the patch came out.
Had around the same results as everybody else. I went from usually being at 6-10th place on most bosses, to being 1-5th on every single fight.
about 4.6k dps on Patch or something like that. Was horribly laggy (for me that is..4fps...)
I topped the meters on heigan using Flameshock and Searing totem while doing the dance, which was funny. shadow priest almost beat me with dots though. (a few of the better dpsers managed to fail the dance)
The only person who consistently beat me was our extremely good Fury warrior (he managed to pull 9.5k dps on Thaddius).But as of now, I've got a set spot in the top 5 for basically every fight, easy.
Also finally got the [Totem of Hex], which helped my dps nicely as well. Went to Archavon after naxx and I managed to be first on damage.
Still not sold on magma Totem, though I can pull half of stockades and throw down magma totem and watch it do 9k dps in 4 seconds, which is amusing.
01/15/09, 1:29 PM
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