Possible Bug with Elemental

Ezareth · 01/03/09, 1:22 AM

Problem was Thundering Strikes oddly requires a weapon to be equipped to activate.

Binkenstein · 01/03/09, 1:44 AM

Thundering Strikes should be adding to your portrait crit figure, so I'd say the reason why you're showing lower than you expect.
[e]Checking on the PTR, and it doesn't add, which is somewhat odd.

Vema · 01/03/09, 2:32 AM

Originally Posted by Ezareth

I'll be running more extensive testing on what I can find on the PTR that is working but this looks to be a pretty decent hit to our DPS if we are indeed losing 4% crit that we think we have.

Thundering Strikes requires a weapon (1h or 2h) to be equipped to be active, put on something and reparse.

madshine · 01/04/09, 3:20 AM

I think it seems Ok in game. I always crit more than I have. If I have %38 crit rating (with totems and oath) I crit over 40% in raids. I think there is no stacking bonus crit from other classes. You are talking about PTR , there could be a bug about in. By the way, I think there is another thing seems weird in talents. We use shocks with 5% mana cost (30 mana avarage) when clearcasting. Dont you think it is kinda a bug. Maybe Blizzard can change somethings about it (replacing tiers or sth) .

Also, I realized that Elemental Mastery buff icon disappears after you cast any spell once like it was. I dont know It works after buff icon disappeared.
I wanna add..
Magma Totem hit more on PTR . I saw 1200 crit on 2 targets. When targets increase damage still fall down. it hits like 300 and crits 700 on 4 targets. Over 20 targets it hits about 50 and crits over 100. Problem is not totem's damage(its still not enough in fact), problem is its decreasing damage when target number increase. I didnt played other classes much. But is there any aoe like these ? huge decreases when target number increase ? I think no(maybe flamestrike but idk). At least not huge differences.

Flau · 01/04/09, 8:06 AM

Originally Posted by madshine

I think it seems Ok in game. I always crit more than I have. If I have %38 crit rating (with totems and oath) I crit over 40% in raids. I think there is no stacking bonus crit from other classes

obviously worng.. you forgot about the mage debuff ( 10% crit through scorch or winterchill ) our average critchance during raids ( with all spells) is about 55% (at ~30% crit) on liferealms.

madshine · 01/04/09, 8:19 AM

Originally Posted by Flau

obviously worng.. you forgot about the mage debuff ( 10% crit through scorch or winterchill ) our average critchance during raids ( with all spells) is about 55% (at ~30% crit) on liferealms.

Yeah. I checked wowwebstats and I had 50% lb crit it is much closer to %55

. I just made some tests on dummies. I crit 40-45% . Bye the way is there any clarification by blizzard about which buffs stack or not stack ?
For example;
(haste) Wrath of air + Boomkin aura + paladin = ? I think we get no benefit from others when totem is active.
Also there are similar things for crit .

LITTLER0TT · 01/04/09, 8:52 AM

Wrath of Air is 5% haste

Imp Boomkin aura and Imp Ret aura are 3% haste, they do not stack

Wrath of Air stacks with the other 2.

Tramana · 01/04/09, 12:49 PM

This looks like the 3% spell crit depression against bosses.

Rouncer · 01/04/09, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by madshine

Magma Totem hit more on PTR . I saw 1200 crit on 2 targets. When targets increase damage still fall down. it hits like 300 and crits 700 on 4 targets. Over 20 targets it hits about 50 and crits over 100. Problem is not totem's damage(its still not enough in fact), problem is its decreasing damage when target number increase. I didnt played other classes much. But is there any aoe like these ? huge decreases when target number increase ? I think no(maybe flamestrike but idk). At least not huge differences.

It's a reported issue that has been recognized by the developers.

They never increased Magma Totem's cap since TBC/level 70 but since the totem's damage is so meh anyway (and because the totem was basically unusable when solo for testing) it's only now that people are noticing the bug.

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - [Bug] Issue with Magma Totem's AE cap

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - [BUG] Magma Totem damage capped.

MMO-Champion BlueTracker - [BUGS] Magma Totem

doogless · 01/04/09, 6:03 PM

Originally Posted by Tramana

This looks like the 3% spell crit depression against bosses.

Except that he did the testing on the level 80 training dummy, not the boss level one.

Targh · 01/05/09, 7:08 AM

Originally Posted by Vema

Thundering Strikes requires a weapon (1h or 2h) to be equipped to be active, put on something and reparse.

Can Ezareth confirm if this fixes at least part of the issue?

tufy · 01/05/09, 7:43 AM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

Thundering Strikes should be adding to your portrait crit figure, so I'd say the reason why you're showing lower than you expect.
[e]Checking on the PTR, and it doesn't add, which is somewhat odd.

Well, it definitely adds on Live. Confirm & report asap

Mmootimus · 01/05/09, 9:29 AM

On the subject of bugs, I have been back on the PTR and Shamanism and Elemental Mastery are both (still) broken.

EM disappears after the first cast. Shamanism isn't giving the proper coefficient bonus and resets any talent points put in it on zoning/logging.

The good news is that the clearcasting and elemental oath changes do appear to be working fine.

I am going to try and keep a post about these bugs bumped on the EU PTR forum, but I don't actually expect any attention there. I know EM is a known issue, but I haven't seen any confirmation yet about Shamanism being bugged which is worrying.

Ezareth · 01/05/09, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by Targh

Can Ezareth confirm if this fixes at least part of the issue?

Yes the portrait crit is fixed by equipping a weapon. If anything my crit level was 1.5% Higher than it should have been which I'm not going to complain about. Who knows maybe Call of Thunder is still 6% Crit?

If I get bored this weekend I'll do another 1000 casts run with a grey weapon to try to verify.

Lusor · 01/05/09, 11:25 AM

Hi, does someone know about how Blizzard is going to handle the Chainlightning bug on live servers? (Hitting only 2 targets when in raid, at least in Naxx/Obsidian Sanctum afaik). It's been reported on the US-Forum but there is no reference to it in the patchlogs for 3.0.8..