[Enhancement] OH Weapon Choices - Page 3

Zyla · 01/08/09, 10:08 PM

chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1809.01   30.18%    149.90
windfury            742.24    12.38%    6.71
flametongue         883.40    14.74%    112.24
stormstrike         264.60    4.41%     6.74      37.11     25.60%
lava lash           75.60     1.26%     8.69      17.46     12.05%
searing totem       363.86    6.07%     1.04      5.00      3.45%
earth shock         640.17    10.68%    9.11      37.31     25.75%
lightning bolt      791.06    13.2%     8.04      48.04     33.15%
lightning shield    423.62    7.07%     1.19      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5993.55
MPS                 144.93
MP2min              17391.73
MRPS                90.95
Out of mana time    0.02%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 4.13s
simulation speed: 871670x

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    0

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              ST
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1,4
mh_dps                          171.4
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         32.25
oh_crit                         32.25
mh_hit                          11.34
oh_hit                          11.34
mh_expertise_rating             216
oh_expertise_rating             216
ap                              3568
haste                           2.84
armor_penetration               0
str                             141
agi                             815
int                             449
spi                             161
spellpower                      1070
spell_crit                      24.45
spell_hit                       14.18
max_mana                        10761
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        fury_of_the_five_flights
trinket2                        mirror_of_truth

totem                           deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             5/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Paenor · 01/08/09, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Karunga

Has anyone ever tryed [Haunting Call] and [Webbed Death] with FT/FT

Since WD+WD was a thing to talk about, I figure 1.80 Delay BUT 461 Spellpower and 1,7% Hit might also do it.
It would be great if someone with more experience could put this throu a Sim.

[Torch of Holy Fire] might also be anoption if this way proves.

[Edit: wrong item, I overlooked that The Turning Tide is a sword...]

Yes, I posted a bunch of EnhSim results in the EnhSim thread a few days concerning this. It seems to (for me atleast), be better other mainhands.

Rouncer · 01/09/09, 1:54 AM

I don't know Zyla, I used your chardev page and put in the deadly totem of indomitability and sim spit back 5840.91 dps, maybe the sim just likes you better or something. What was interesting was I made one change, I swapped in a Wrathstrike for the Calamities Grasp and it gave me 5890.43 dps.

This shouldn't matter in a week or so since the new Windfury Glyph will favor CG over WS by a very significant margin.

hozzer · 01/09/09, 7:09 PM

I think I found the problem with Zyla's config. The comma here in oh_speed is almost certainly throwing something off.

mh_speed 2.6
oh_speed 1,4

Zyla · 01/09/09, 7:22 PM

Originally Posted by hozzer

I think I found the problem with Zyla's config. The comma here in oh_speed is almost certainly throwing something off.

Hahaha, it definitely is. What a fail.

Anyhow, can someone put together a better list of gear?

hozzer · 01/09/09, 9:05 PM

I believe this list comes out slightly ahead of the list you proposed: chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

The dps displayed here is lower than the gearset that Tronso indicated, but it does not include profession perks, while Tronso included Jewelcrafting. I also have the luxury of having no need to spec into Unleashed Rage, Windfury Totem, or Convection, so I dropped the remaining points into Call of Flame and Reverberation.

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1777.29   31.37%    122.22
windfury            688.01    12.14%    6.42
flametongue         699.36    12.34%    85.79
stormstrike         256.36    4.53%     6.40      35.26     24.05%
lava lash           94.05     1.66%     8.09      16.17     11.03%
searing totem       337.75    5.96%     1.00      4.83      3.29%
earth shock         630.30    11.13%    9.29      37.59     25.64%
lightning bolt      833.13    14.71%    8.85      52.74     35.98%
lightning shield    348.93    6.16%     1.01      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5665.18
MPS                 146.58
MP2min              17589.86
MRPS                151.85
Out of mana time    0.16%

simulation_time                 1000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   5
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         200
max_lag                         250
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           32
ep_crit_rating                  16
ep_hit_rating                   16
ep_expertise                    -4
ep_haste_rating                 16
ep_armor_penetration_rating     16
ep_spellpower                   19
ep_dps                          10
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    0

rotation_priority_count         8
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              LS
rotation_priority6              ST
rotation_priority7              SR
rotation_priority8              MW4_LB

miss                            9.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13/13
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          171.4
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         30.62
oh_crit                         30.62
mh_hit                          11.55
oh_hit                          11.55
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3463
haste                           7.78
armor_penetration               4
str                             135
agi                             815
int                             548
spi                             155
spellpower                      1117
spell_crit                      23.41
spell_hit                       14.45
max_mana                        12336
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        mark_of_norgannon

totem                           deadly_gladiators_totem_of_indomitability

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthstorm_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  0/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   4/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

edit: Added config. Also, english is hard.

kristaps · 01/09/09, 10:20 PM

Changed the length of a fight to 3min. chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
Same gear - if anyone has any suggestions, feel free to post them.
(found some mistakes etc so had to do it a few times, but all went well - was listening to Nirvana unplugged ^^)

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1847.45   31.82%    86.19
windfury            758.17    13.06%    6.85
flametongue         570.85    9.83%     55.47
stormstrike         338.41    5.83%     6.97      38.39     19.92%
lava lash           196.73    3.39%     8.93      24.60     12.76%
searing totem       365.60    6.3%      1.13      5.45      2.83%
earth shock         639.81    11.02%    9.13      58.98     30.60%
lightning bolt      872.07    15.02%    8.92      65.34     33.90%
lightning shield    216.44    3.73%     0.86      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5805.52
MPS                 192.76
MP2min              23131.11
MRPS                0.00
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 100000.00h
elapsed real time: 240.05s
simulation speed: 1499681x

simulation_time                 100000
simulation_time_combatlog       300
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           200
ep_crit_rating                  30
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 30
ep_armor_penetration_rating     30
ep_spellpower                   150
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         250
ep_spirit                       150
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         6
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LL
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LS

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             0

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            -
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            orc
mh_speed                        2.60
oh_speed                        2.50
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         33.95
oh_crit                         33.95
mh_hit                          11.95
oh_hit                          11.95
mh_expertise_rating             225
oh_expertise_rating             225
ap                              3624
haste                           2
armor_penetration               0
str                             139
agi                             786
int                             426
spi                             162
spellpower                      1087
spell_crit                      26.36
spell_hit                       14.94
max_mana                        20000
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        mirror_of_truth
trinket2                        fury_of_the_five_flights

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         chaotic_skyflare_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    earth_shock

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                0/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Rouncer · 01/10/09, 1:39 AM

Originally Posted by kristaps

Changed the length of a fight to 3min. chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x
Same gear - if anyone has any suggestions, feel free to post them.
(found some mistakes etc so had to do it a few times, but all went well - was listening to Nirvana unplugged ^^)

You can't use an elixir with a Flask.

You can't lust twice in one fight.

(e) to soften tone.

Tronso · 01/10/09, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by kristaps

mh_hit 17.95
oh_hit 17.95

change those to 11.95 since chardev adds the 6% gained from Dual Wield Specialization

Originally Posted by kristaps

haste 2

This should be 2.84, or 2.83 if you go by the tooltip

- edited to add haste

kristaps · 01/10/09, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Tronso

change those to 11.95 since chardev adds the 6% gained from Dual Wield Specialization

Thank you for this, the 6% hit reduction resulted in a 200dps loss, the extra guardian elixir removal was 10-20, amount of bloodlust casters didn't change a thing

Tronso · 01/10/09, 5:25 PM

I believe I came up with the best list so far, no benefits from professions or racial.
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

With [Totem of Hex] I got 5895.18
With [Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] 5916.39
Realistically almost no enh shaman is ever going to get the Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability as it requires 2030 rating to get and the hateful/savage versions of that totem don't exist in game so the next best choice is the totem of hex

simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          haste_potion
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         33.02
oh_crit                         33.02
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3693
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1108
spell_crit                      24.05
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

Aximous · 01/10/09, 7:35 PM

Reagarding that profile, what's your point in having 18% (15% gear 3% misery) spellhit while 17% is the cap? The other thing is did you try es glyph instead ls I found it superior in my previous sims.

kristaps · 01/10/09, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Aximous

Reagarding that profile, what's your point in having 18% (15% gear 3% misery) spellhit while 17% is the cap? The other thing is did you try es glyph instead ls I found it superior in my previous sims.

You get spellhit by hit rating, therefore the hit rating still grants melee hit chance

Aximous · 01/10/09, 8:17 PM

It does but after reaching spell hit cap it's value goes down drastically so you'd better off stacking ap instead of it.

Tronso · 01/10/09, 9:15 PM

Originally Posted by Aximous

It does but after reaching spell hit cap it's value goes down drastically so you'd better off stacking ap instead of it.

With this list I'm getting 1.8 EP value of hit even after spell hit cap, I also had to add one yellow gem to activate the meta gem, the reason I went with the exp/hit gem

Dsalt · 01/11/09, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Aximous

Reagarding that profile, what's your point in having 18% (15% gear 3% misery) spellhit while 17% is the cap? The other thing is did you try es glyph instead ls I found it superior in my previous sims.

From the ptr patch notes:
Glyph of Earth Shock - Renamed to Glyph of Shocking - Reduces the global cooldown triggered by your shock spells by 0.5 sec. (Old - Reduced the GCD triggered by Earth Shock by 1 second)

Tramana · 01/11/09, 6:25 PM

Originally Posted by Tronso

I believe I came up with the best list so far, no benefits from professions or racial.
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

With [Totem of Hex] I got 5895.18
With [Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability] 5916.39
Realistically almost no enh shaman is ever going to get the Deadly Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability as it requires 2030 rating to get and the hateful/savage versions of that totem don't exist in game so the next best choice is the totem of hex

I tried matching your config file, but using this gear:
chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

and using FT/FT with appropriate buffs/glyphs

I got 5951.8 dps with [Meteorite Whetstone], and 6163.5 dps with [Thunder Capacitor] (by my changes to the sim)

I found that the sim added 1% hit if using draenei, so I left the field for race blank

simulation_time                 10000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           32
ep_crit_rating                  16
ep_hit_rating                   -16
ep_expertise                    -3
ep_haste_rating                 16
ep_armor_penetration_rating     16
ep_spellpower                   19
ep_dps                          7.5
ep_mana                         -
ep_spirit                       -
ep_mp5                          -

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0.00
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15.0
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.0
dodge                           6.5
glancing                        25.0
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.0
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_the_frost_wyrm
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            dalaran_clam_chowder
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            -
mh_speed                        1.8
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          98.9
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         27.04  #subtract 4.8 from melee crit
oh_crit                         27.04
mh_hit                          11.49
oh_hit                          11.49
mh_expertise_rating             210
oh_expertise_rating             210
ap                              3195
haste                           10.21
armor_penetration               0.0
str                             137
agi                             660
int                             659
spi                             160
spellpower                      1679
spell_crit                      22.35 # subtract 3.0 from spell crit
spell_hit                       14.34
max_mana                        12686
mp5                             0.0

mh_imbue                        flametongue
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       dagger
oh_weapon                       dagger

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        meteorite_whetstone

totem                           totem_of_dueling

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    lightning_shield
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    flametongue_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/5
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/5

A few things I didn't do for this run was adjust the boss miss rate, and I didn't depress the crit % fields, so that it would be more comparable to your run.

I'll include the results from the thunder_capacitor run so people can review it if they like.

MH:
miss                4044449        10.52%
dodge               96500          0.25%
glancing            9611909        25.00%
hit                 7284042        18.94%
crit                17418210       45.29%

MH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 21671862       56.48%
crit                16696850       43.52%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               10172          0.25%
hit                 2222701        54.68%
crit                1831850        45.07%

OH:
miss                5224311        10.52%
dodge               124095         0.25%
glancing            12418841       25.00%
hit                 9398990        18.92%
crit                22501634       45.30%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 30273632       56.48%
crit                23326367       43.52%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               10226          0.25%
hit                 2216233        54.66%
crit                1828092        45.09%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 3120007        56.46%
crit                2405589        43.54%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               13015          0.25%
hit                 2866069        54.60%
crit                2370140        45.15%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 2552646        56.49%
crit                1965828        43.51%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5973682        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 40.00

flurry uptime                  82.31%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   77.76%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              23.98%
oh enchant uptime              26.93%
trinket1 uptime                21.06%
trinket2 uptime                0.00%
totem uptime                   67.75%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.10     32.76%
replenishment       38.83     36.25%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 33.20     30.99%
shamanistic rage    0.00      0.00%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1483.87   24.07%    146.87
flametongue         1611.29   26.14%    153.28
stormstrike         163.57    2.65%     6.77      37.33     26.06%
lava lash           90.75     1.47%     8.75      17.67     12.34%
searing totem       452.75    7.35%     1.11      5.37      3.75%
earth shock         742.09    12.04%    9.21      37.79     26.39%
lightning bolt      884.16    14.34%    7.53      45.06     31.46%
lightning shield    422.59    6.86%     1.11      0.00      0.00%
misc                312.49    5.07%     10.67

DPS                 6163.56
MPS                 143.22
MP2min              17185.99
MRPS                107.50
Out of mana time    0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 10000.00h
elapsed real time: 60.36s
simulation speed: 596461x

The trinket procs are totaled under misc.

Levva · 01/12/09, 7:39 AM

Ok seem to be getting somewhere at defining a base config file. If people can double check the original post to check the adjustments suggested for each weapon to ensure I've got them right then we can run the base config and start swapping weapons and simming to see where we are with which gives best dps.

I'm slightly reluctant at this stage to do too much work as I'm aware that 3.0.8 will have significant changes and so it might be better to hold off for a 3.0.8 version of the sim?

Paenor · 01/12/09, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

I'm slightly reluctant at this stage to do too much work as I'm aware that 3.0.8 will have significant changes and so it might be better to hold off for a 3.0.8 version of the sim?

While I don't blame you at all if you waited, but I have a feeling 3.0.8 will have a bigger difference on mainhands than offhands.

Mengus · 01/14/09, 4:12 PM

Offhand simming results:

Based on my current gear, I simmed, Weapon @DPS Amount, with the following results, which were a bit surprising.
NOTE: I just used my current stats, and plugged in the weapon speed and DPS, w/o adjusting for the specific stats each weapon granted, so take it with a grain of salt.

The Stray @4642 > Webbed Death @4637 > Librarian's Papercutter @4611 > Angry Dread @4607
Double Dread @4571

Basically, to me this says there is no one BEST offhand, and simming is going to be a requirement, as everyone seems to be running a different result. FWIW, this is with 4pc t7 for the set bonus, but very little haste gear other than that (3.8% passive haste).

Binkenstein · 01/14/09, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

Ok seem to be getting somewhere at defining a base config file. If people can double check the original post to check the adjustments suggested for each weapon to ensure I've got them right then we can run the base config and start swapping weapons and simming to see where we are with which gives best dps.

I'm slightly reluctant at this stage to do too much work as I'm aware that 3.0.8 will have significant changes and so it might be better to hold off for a 3.0.8 version of the sim?

Of course, the question is do we understand why we are getting the results we have so far?

Paenor · 01/17/09, 4:15 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

Of course, the question is do we understand why we are getting the results we have so far?

Which results? Webbed Death being so high? It's because faster weapons do better flametongue damage, and slower weapons do better windfury. The more haste/spellpower/hit you have the better a fast offhand is going to be.

Same logic applies to using a fast caster dagger as a mainhand. Your spellpower gets so high that you end up hitting for 500/1000 with both weapon's flametongue. Combine that with the fact that you can get Webbed Death down to a 0.5 attack speed, and that's over 2000dps from your offhand flametongue on Loatheb. (Not to mention the extra huge shocks/lightning)

Zyla · 01/17/09, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mengus

Offhand simming results:

Based on my current gear, I simmed, Weapon @DPS Amount, with the following results, which were a bit surprising.
NOTE: I just used my current stats, and plugged in the weapon speed and DPS, w/o adjusting for the specific stats each weapon granted, so take it with a grain of salt.

The Stray @4642 > Webbed Death @4637 > Librarian's Papercutter @4611 > Angry Dread @4607
Double Dread @4571

Basically, to me this says there is no one BEST offhand, and simming is going to be a requirement, as everyone seems to be running a different result. FWIW, this is with 4pc t7 for the set bonus, but very little haste gear other than that (3.8% passive haste).

We've been over this a lot by now, but the sim is incorrect when the speeds are matched because of wonky flurry mechanics in the sim.

Tramana · 01/17/09, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zyla

We've been over this a lot by now, but the sim is incorrect when the speeds are matched because of wonky flurry mechanics in the sim.

The sim's flurry results match what I see live with matched weapon speed if I make sure my weapons are synced. In my opinion the sim is correct.

Rouncer · 01/17/09, 8:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tramana

The sim's flurry results match what I see live with matched weapon speed if I make sure my weapons are synced. In my opinion the sim is correct.

Except that they are not applicable to real raiding conditions since they become unsynced very easily and to resync them is a huge dps loss while you are involved in a boss fight.