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Old 01/26/09, 2:50 AM   1 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #101
Nevets_69
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I know the thread has been derailed more than a little, but did anyone run the sims for the table that was setup in the original post? I would really like to see the results. It seemed like there was a general consensus on a working BiS setup. Generally it seems that Webbed Death was the best option, and my own simulations from a few weeks ago showed as much, was just looking for some confirmation.

Levva if there are real results, could you update the original post?

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Old 01/27/09, 9:11 PM   #102
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I just simmed with the new version and here are the results:

Webbed Death (156.6/1.4): 5707 DPS
Noth Kolben (156.6/2.5): 5678 DPS
Sinnisters Rache (171.3/1.8): 5676 DPS
Die Hand Nerubs (156.6/1.6): 5680 DPS

This sim is just with my own gear and varies with gear differences of course.

Long story short:
WD is the Best OH! It doesnt really matter though which weapon you take - the differences are rather small. (within 25 dps)
Just take what you can get ahold of

PS:
I spent quite some time on configuring enhsim correctly - after using the new version with exported (SAA) data.
Some things are obvoius to correct, like weapon DPS, or Raid buffs, or OH buff.
What took me a while to figure out are the following ones:
- Make sure the enhsim.exe points to the correct file (if you have a seperate program folder for the updated version)
- Spellpower (make sure the 274 SP from flametongue are not added - enhim adds it itself by chosing the weapon imbue)
- Set bonus (not set by default or recognized by SAA)
- Rotation (Kick FS out and add ST with lowest prio) EDIT: Since 3.0.8, use MT!
- Set consumables
- Simulate Mana (add SR to the prio list or disable it)

I hope this helps maybe others who start over with new simulations.

Used config

Last edited by Sprinter : 02/05/09 at 5:56 PM. Reason: corrected Simming
 
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Old 01/28/09, 8:07 AM   #103
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Originally Posted by Sprinter View Post
Webbed Death (156.6/1.4): 5707 DPS
Noth Kolben (156.6/2.5): 5678 DPS
Sinnisters Rache (171.3/1.8): 5676 DPS
Die Hand Nerubs (156.6/1.6): 5680 DPS
Not a huge deal but the weapons in ascending order are Webbed Death, Angry Dread, Sinister Revenge, Hand of Nerub when translated (I'm sure we all knew by their dps/speed, but this is just to ensure no confusion).

Originally Posted by Sprinter View Post
WD is the Best OH! It doesnt really matter though which weapon you take - the differences are rather small. (within 25 dps)
I believe for certain min/max'ers it will be a big deal. Also there was a standard config file of an accepted BiS set. To my knowledge this was the config.txt of the new EnhSim build. This would be the set to which tests should be applied in order to conclude this thread as we all know:
Originally Posted by Sprinter View Post
This sim is just with my own gear and varies with gear differences of course.
I was unable to access your config file, could you please re-post it using the code function such that we might peruse your data set for empirical value.
 
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Old 01/28/09, 10:30 AM   #104
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Using the base config.txt found in the new EnhSim build and chardev.org, I ran sim's of the aforementioned weapons. As in the config.txt that was supplied using the BiS gear derived within this thread, the haste percent used in the simulations was taken from the spell haste field of chardev.org. I made no changes to gear, gems, or enchants for any weapon substitution -- no matter how great the value of hit or expertise over their respective caps. I am most certain that you might be able to tweak each OH to gain a bit more out of it with a few minor tweaks to gems the one that comes to mind that would see the greatest benefit would be Split Greathammer as this puts you 9pts over the expertise cap.

For each trial Fish Feast and Flask of Endless Rage were used. No Haste pots were used and the build contained UR (see config files for more info on spec). The attack priority was highest when in the following order and was used as such: MW5_LB, ES, SS, LS, ST, LL. SR. Mana simulation was turned off for these trials.

NAME			Type	Speed   DPS
-----------------------------------------------
Webbed Death		Dagger	1.4	5833.44
Angry Dread		1h Mace	2.5	5820.40
Split Greathammer	1h Mace	1.6	5815.45**
Hand of Nerub		Fist	1.6	5810.54
Split Greathammer	1h Mace	1.6	5787.16
Sinister Revenge	Dagger	1.8	5773.34
Anarchy			Dagger	1.8	5765.11
The Stray		Fist	2.6	5746.79
Murder			Dagger	1.5	5742.75
Twilight Mist		Dagger	1.8	5707.47
**Previously mentioned this weapon exceeds the expertise cap, as such, I added a 16AP/+8Crit for yellow meta requirement and 32AP into a free red slot in place of an expertise gem bringing the overall expertise to 26. This was done out of curiosity.

Attached are the config files for each run in order of their listing in the table.

Webbed Death Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         33.02
oh_crit                         33.02
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3693
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1108
spell_crit                      24.05
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Webbed Death Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4456794        8.99%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12367871       24.95%
hit                 8531198        17.21%
crit                24212601       48.85%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.02%
procs/swings        16.63%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9252835        48.23%
crit                9932771        51.77%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3925866        48.36%
crit                4192012        51.64%

OH:
miss                8270597        9.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            22949292       24.97%
hit                 15816050       17.21%
crit                44857139       48.81%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 58006286       56.90%
crit                43929528       43.10%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3923828        48.34%
crit                4194050        51.66%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6195462        56.89%
crit                4695009        43.11%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4912521        48.18%
crit                5282934        51.82%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5764974        56.90%
crit                4367308        43.10%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 11363575       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 45.95

flurry uptime                  87.80%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.00%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.75%
oh enchant uptime              27.27%
trinket1 uptime                20.99%
trinket2 uptime                32.63%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.02     39.25%
replenishment       34.26     38.40%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.47      10.62%
shamanistic rage    10.47     11.73%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1794.03   30.75%    117.88
windfury            855.22    14.66%    7.99
flametongue         700.82    12.01%    84.95
stormstrike         285.04    4.89%     6.76      37.27     25.34%
lava lash           102.79    1.76%     8.50      17.02     11.57%
searing totem       344.95    5.91%     1.09      5.24      3.56%
earth shock         605.12    10.37%    9.08      37.16     25.26%
lightning bolt      822.33    14.1%     8.44      50.41     34.27%
lightning shield    323.14    5.54%     1.05      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5833.44
MPS                 147.10
MP2min              17652.46
MRPS                93.11
Out of mana time    0.02%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 53.05s
simulation speed: 1357133x
Angry Dread Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.84
oh_crit                         32.84
mh_hit                          12.01
oh_hit                          12.01
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3701
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             911
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1110
spell_crit                      24.01
spell_hit                       15.13
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Angry Dread Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4480896        8.98%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12453398       24.97%
hit                 8663741        17.37%
crit                24275388       48.67%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.01%
procs/swings        16.62%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9322901        48.35%
crit                9958771        51.65%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3945535        48.50%
crit                4188986        51.50%

OH:
miss                4659816        8.98%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12952850       24.97%
hit                 9015299        17.38%
crit                25248908       48.67%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 37302931       56.96%
crit                28181859       43.04%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3941386        48.45%
crit                4193135        51.55%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6164060        56.95%
crit                4658634        43.05%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4895516        48.31%
crit                5237696        51.69%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6109533        56.93%
crit                4621457        43.07%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 9330608        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 49.01

flurry uptime                  89.98%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.83%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.89%
oh enchant uptime              32.33%
trinket1 uptime                20.69%
trinket2 uptime                32.47%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.89     35.72%
replenishment       34.13     34.95%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.10      9.32%
shamanistic rage    19.55     20.02%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1809.00   31.08%    84.79
windfury            860.78    14.79%    8.03
flametongue         548.84    9.43%     54.57
stormstrike         332.97    5.72%     6.78      37.35     24.96%
lava lash           182.79    3.14%     8.44      16.83     11.25%
searing totem       345.58    5.94%     1.08      5.22      3.49%
earth shock         602.02    10.34%    9.02      36.88     24.65%
lightning bolt      872.52    14.99%    8.94      53.34     35.65%
lightning shield    265.89    4.57%     0.86      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5820.40
MPS                 149.61
MP2min              17953.79
MRPS                107.05
Out of mana time    0.04%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 50.87s
simulation speed: 1415511x
Split Greathammer Config (**Modified BiS)
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         33.16
oh_crit                         33.16
mh_hit                          11.1
oh_hit                          11.1
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3741
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1122
spell_crit                      24.18
spell_hit                       13.87
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Split Greathammer Results (**Modified BiS)
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4896694        9.86%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12386142       24.95%
hit                 8038395        16.19%
crit                24316752       48.99%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.06%
procs/swings        16.53%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9171898        48.04%
crit                9918614        51.96%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3913369        48.18%
crit                4209047        51.82%

OH:
miss                7981140        9.88%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            20161968       24.96%
hit                 13079375       16.19%
crit                39560410       48.97%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 51738458       56.78%
crit                39380863       43.22%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3911870        48.16%
crit                4210546        51.84%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6182162        56.80%
crit                4701758        43.20%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4899356        48.06%
crit                5295796        51.94%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5775716        56.77%
crit                4397942        43.23%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10720940       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.19

flurry uptime                  88.28%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.15%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.57%
oh enchant uptime              28.00%
trinket1 uptime                20.91%
trinket2 uptime                32.58%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.01     38.96%
replenishment       34.25     38.11%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.26      10.30%
shamanistic rage    11.35     12.63%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1800.01   30.95%    108.68
windfury            856.63    14.73%    7.95
flametongue         654.57    11.26%    75.93
stormstrike         295.87    5.09%     6.77      37.29     25.33%
lava lash           118.34    2.03%     8.50      17.00     11.55%
searing totem       346.99    5.97%     1.09      5.24      3.56%
earth shock         607.10    10.44%    9.07      37.08     25.19%
lightning bolt      829.85    14.27%    8.48      50.60     34.37%
lightning shield    306.09    5.26%     0.99      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5815.45
MPS                 147.21
MP2min              17665.79
MRPS                94.30
Out of mana time    0.02%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 56.71s
simulation speed: 1269594x
Hand of Nerub Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0


percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.86
oh_crit                         32.86
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3703
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             913
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1111
spell_crit                      24.01
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Hand of Nerub Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4462300        8.99%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12379172       24.95%
hit                 8623132        17.38%
crit                24144201       48.67%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.03%
procs/swings        16.63%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9290919        48.38%
crit                9913403        51.62%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3940084        48.51%
crit                4181325        51.49%

OH:
miss                7269849        9.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            20167599       24.98%
hit                 14026594       17.37%
crit                39271139       48.64%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 52255764       56.94%
crit                39516475       43.06%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3934813        48.45%
crit                4186596        51.55%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6197166        56.97%
crit                4681355        43.03%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4926072        48.36%
crit                5259426        51.64%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5830421        56.91%
crit                4414513        43.09%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10783174       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.54

flurry uptime                  88.07%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.12%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.81%
oh enchant uptime              28.09%
trinket1 uptime                20.91%
trinket2 uptime                32.59%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.00     38.54%
replenishment       34.24     37.70%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.27      10.20%
shamanistic rage    12.31     13.55%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1797.47   30.93%    108.62
windfury            856.22    14.74%    8.00
flametongue         656.44    11.3%     76.48
stormstrike         293.79    5.06%     6.77      37.29     25.26%
lava lash           117.41    2.02%     8.49      16.99     11.51%
searing totem       345.28    5.94%     1.09      5.24      3.55%
earth shock         604.63    10.41%    9.07      37.12     25.15%
lightning bolt      832.31    14.32%    8.54      50.98     34.54%
lightning shield    306.99    5.28%     1.00      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5810.54
MPS                 147.62
MP2min              17713.82
MRPS                95.64
Out of mana time    0.02%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 56.29s
simulation speed: 1279067x
Split Greathammer Config (Unmodified, exceeds EXP cap)
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.6
mh_crit                         32.98
oh_crit                         32.98
mh_hit                          11.34
oh_hit                          11.34
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3693
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1108
spell_crit                      24.01
spell_hit                       14.18
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Split Greathammer Results (Unmodified, exceeds EXP cap)
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4773177        9.62%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12372047       24.93%
hit                 8248267        16.62%
crit                24226817       48.82%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.04%
procs/swings        16.55%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9217352        48.23%
crit                9895122        51.77%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3930599        48.39%
crit                4191599        51.61%

OH:
miss                7780359        9.63%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            20156680       24.96%
hit                 13415509       16.61%
crit                39401472       48.79%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 51984408       56.94%
crit                39304461       43.06%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3930380        48.39%
crit                4191818        51.61%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6196735        56.94%
crit                4685314        43.06%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4918628        48.25%
crit                5274382        51.75%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5801277        56.93%
crit                4388212        43.07%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10744291       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.27

flurry uptime                  88.15%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.03%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.66%
oh enchant uptime              28.05%
trinket1 uptime                20.91%
trinket2 uptime                32.58%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.00     38.75%
replenishment       34.24     37.90%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.26      10.25%
shamanistic rage    11.84     13.10%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1789.56   30.92%    108.65
windfury            852.07    14.72%    7.96
flametongue         652.37    11.27%    76.07
stormstrike         293.66    5.07%     6.77      37.29     25.30%
lava lash           117.44    2.03%     8.49      17.01     11.54%
searing totem       344.93    5.96%     1.09      5.24      3.56%
earth shock         604.52    10.45%    9.07      37.14     25.20%
lightning bolt      826.96    14.29%    8.49      50.71     34.40%
lightning shield    305.65    5.28%     0.99      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5787.16
MPS                 147.40
MP2min              17688.08
MRPS                94.88
Out of mana time    0.02%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 68.99s
simulation speed: 1043690x
Sinister Revenge Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.8
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          171.1
mh_crit                         32.27
oh_crit                         32.27
mh_hit                          12.47
oh_hit                          12.47
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3718
haste                           4.27
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             916
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1115
spell_crit                      24.01
spell_hit                       15.59
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Sinister Revenge Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4251821        8.51%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12461008       24.94%
hit                 9221937        18.45%
crit                24036230       48.10%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.60%
procs/swings        15.38%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 8754124        48.97%
crit                9121442        51.03%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3994256        49.13%
crit                4136368        50.87%

OH:
miss                6154600        8.52%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            18042872       24.97%
hit                 13323667       18.44%
crit                34734453       48.07%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 48074852       56.95%
crit                36340368       43.05%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3989639        49.07%
crit                4140985        50.93%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6188247        56.93%
crit                4681907        43.07%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4984356        48.94%
crit                5199248        51.06%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5885872        56.95%
crit                4449448        43.05%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10345202       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.97

flurry uptime                  88.01%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.28%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.17%
oh enchant uptime              29.18%
trinket1 uptime                20.85%
trinket2 uptime                32.56%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.98     38.03%
replenishment       34.22     37.20%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.32      10.13%
shamanistic rage    13.47     14.64%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1826.48   31.64%    101.86
windfury            794.88    13.77%    7.45
flametongue         627.42    10.87%    70.35
stormstrike         303.74    5.26%     6.78      37.33     25.21%
lava lash           134.92    2.34%     8.49      16.97     11.46%
searing totem       345.80    5.99%     1.09      5.24      3.54%
earth shock         604.87    10.48%    9.06      37.10     25.06%
lightning bolt      840.39    14.56%    8.61      51.42     34.73%
lightning shield    294.85    5.11%     0.96      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5773.34
MPS                 148.06
MP2min              17767.47
MRPS                97.30
Out of mana time    0.03%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 55.25s
simulation speed: 1303261x
Anarchy Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.8
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         32.18
oh_crit                         32.18
mh_hit                          12.19
oh_hit                          12.19
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3699
haste                           3.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             909
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1110
spell_crit                      23.37
spell_hit                       15.24
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Anarchy Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4358835        8.79%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12369296       24.93%
hit                 9096675        18.34%
crit                23783188       47.94%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          18.01%
procs/swings        16.65%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 9443569        49.12%
crit                9781255        50.88%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4002712        49.26%
crit                4122820        50.74%

OH:
miss                6286554        8.79%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            17855260       24.96%
hit                 13111230       18.33%
crit                34276411       47.92%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 48105220       57.58%
crit                35437100       42.42%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 3999453        49.22%
crit                4126079        50.78%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6256898        57.59%
crit                4607549        42.41%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4993873        49.09%
crit                5180014        50.91%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5959200        57.57%
crit                4392017        42.43%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10340668       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 47.08

flurry uptime                  88.05%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   78.65%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.85%
oh enchant uptime              29.13%
trinket1 uptime                20.85%
trinket2 uptime                32.55%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.97     37.35%
replenishment       34.21     36.54%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.32      9.96%
shamanistic rage    15.11     16.14%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1787.64   31.01%    100.95
windfury            852.57    14.79%    8.01
flametongue         617.24    10.71%    69.62
stormstrike         300.77    5.22%     6.77      37.31     25.11%
lava lash           131.21    2.28%     8.48      17.03     11.46%
searing totem       343.60    5.96%     1.09      5.23      3.52%
earth shock         600.99    10.42%    9.05      37.38     25.15%
lightning bolt      836.74    14.51%    8.63      51.66     34.76%
lightning shield    294.35    5.11%     0.96      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5765.11
MPS                 148.60
MP2min              17832.35
MRPS                99.87
Out of mana time    0.03%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 54.23s
simulation speed: 1327678x
The Stray Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          143.5
mh_crit                         32.1
oh_crit                         32.1
mh_hit                          12.16
oh_hit                          12.16
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3682
haste                           4.33
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             902
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1105
spell_crit                      23.37
spell_hit                       15.21
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
The Stray Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4498435        8.83%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12723106       24.99%
hit                 9345232        18.35%
crit                24352351       47.83%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.33%
procs/swings        15.08%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 8759921        49.18%
crit                9053635        50.82%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4013049        49.33%
crit                4122770        50.67%

OH:
miss                4485979        8.81%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12687275       24.92%
hit                 9334824        18.33%
crit                24411046       47.94%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 37302347       57.60%
crit                27457354       42.40%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4009316        49.28%
crit                4126503        50.72%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6242320        57.57%
crit                4601460        42.43%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 5007818        49.14%
crit                5182919        50.86%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6170841        57.57%
crit                4547850        42.43%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 9258642        100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 49.50

flurry uptime                  94.86%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   79.25%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.11%
oh enchant uptime              33.19%
trinket1 uptime                20.67%
trinket2 uptime                32.44%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.89     34.69%
replenishment       34.12     33.93%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.08      9.03%
shamanistic rage    22.48     22.35%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1819.65   31.66%    84.87
windfury            787.99    13.71%    7.42
flametongue         548.55    9.55%     53.97
stormstrike         332.04    5.78%     6.78      37.35     24.84%
lava lash           185.49    3.23%     8.49      16.99     11.30%
searing totem       343.45    5.98%     1.08      5.23      3.48%
earth shock         599.75    10.44%    9.04      37.30     24.80%
lightning bolt      866.32    15.07%    8.93      53.49     35.57%
lightning shield    263.55    4.59%     0.86      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5746.79
MPS                 150.36
MP2min              18043.23
MRPS                111.23
Out of mana time    0.04%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 48.67s
simulation speed: 1479502x
Murder Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
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rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.5
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.7
mh_crit                         32.13
oh_crit                         32.13
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3695
haste                           4.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             905
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1109
spell_crit                      23.37
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5




convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Murder Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4483268        8.99%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12439805       24.96%
hit                 9071287        18.20%
crit                23853361       47.85%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.69%
procs/swings        15.40%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 8782573        49.19%
crit                9073629        50.81%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4009828        49.33%
crit                4117950        50.67%

OH:
miss                7829110        9.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            21712481       24.96%
hit                 15819720       18.19%
crit                41616782       47.85%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 56147109       57.60%
crit                41338272       42.40%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4008060        49.31%
crit                4119718        50.69%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6270667        57.56%
crit                4622744        42.44%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 5020748        49.18%
crit                5187872        50.82%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5848889        57.58%
crit                4308530        42.42%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 11066013       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.05

flurry uptime                  87.06%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   78.37%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.07%
oh enchant uptime              27.70%
trinket1 uptime                20.95%
trinket2 uptime                32.61%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 35.00     38.28%
replenishment       34.24     37.44%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.34      10.22%
shamanistic rage    12.86     14.06%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1795.00   31.26%    114.02
windfury            790.45    13.76%    7.44
flametongue         679.90    11.84%    81.24
stormstrike         287.67    5.01%     6.77      37.32     25.23%
lava lash           109.54    1.91%     8.51      17.12     11.57%
searing totem       343.17    5.98%     1.09      5.25      3.55%
earth shock         602.22    10.49%    9.08      37.51     25.36%
lightning bolt      820.12    14.28%    8.46      50.72     34.29%
lightning shield    314.67    5.48%     1.02      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5742.75
MPS                 147.91
MP2min              17748.89
MRPS                96.16
Out of mana time    0.03%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 62.40s
simulation speed: 1153790x
Twilight Mist Config
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   1

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               1
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         7
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL
rotation_priority7              SR

miss                            9.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             10.0/10.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              1
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.8
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.7
mh_crit                         32.13
oh_crit                         32.13
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3695
haste                           4.54
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             905
int                             470
spi                             155
spellpower                      1109
spell_crit                      23.37
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Twilight Mist Results
................................................................................

MH:
miss                4497921        9.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            12461671       24.95%
hit                 9081812        18.18%
crit                23913468       47.87%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          16.63%
procs/swings        15.34%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 8766894        49.19%
crit                9055612        50.81%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4015224        49.36%
crit                4119104        50.64%

OH:
miss                6506907        9.01%
dodge               0              0.00%
glancing            18034488       24.97%
hit                 13126078       18.18%
crit                34552373       47.84%

OH Flametongue:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 48402972       57.59%
crit                35639325       42.41%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 4011474        49.32%
crit                4122854        50.68%

Earth Shock:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 6263220        57.58%
crit                4613920        42.42%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               0              0.00%
hit                 5010257        49.14%
crit                5184773        50.86%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 5927857        57.58%
crit                4367550        42.42%

Lightning Shield:
miss                0              0.00%
hit                 10298003       100.00%
crit                0              0.00%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 46.78

flurry uptime                  87.83%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   78.57%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              37.04%
oh enchant uptime              29.10%
trinket1 uptime                20.85%
trinket2 uptime                32.55%
totem uptime                   0.00%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 34.98     37.50%
replenishment       34.21     36.69%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 9.31      9.98%
shamanistic rage    14.77     15.83%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc potion         0.00      0.00%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1796.24   31.47%    101.81
windfury            789.16    13.83%    7.43
flametongue         620.50    10.87%    70.04
stormstrike         300.64    5.27%     6.78      37.35     25.15%
lava lash           131.36    2.3%      8.50      17.07     11.50%
searing totem       343.43    6.02%     1.09      5.24      3.53%
earth shock         601.45    10.54%    9.06      37.44     25.21%
lightning bolt      831.69    14.57%    8.58      51.40     34.61%
lightning shield    292.99    5.13%     0.95      0.00      0.00%

DPS                 5707.47
MPS                 148.50
MP2min              17819.43
MRPS                99.07
Out of mana time    0.03%

elapsed simulation time: 20000.00h
elapsed real time: 51.74s
simulation speed: 1391653x
In conclusion as stated before this last WoW and EnhSim patch/build, Webbed Death is highest DPS with the standard BiS gear established in this thread. As always Sim everything to determine if it is right for you and your gear-set. But this is a decent guideline for OH's and provides a lot of insight into the co-variation of Stormstrike, Lava lash, Flametongue, and Lightning Shield with each other in regard to weapons speed, flurry mechanic, and stat weight/ilvl.

Please peruse and peer review these data as I am prone to typographical errors and other stupidities.

(e) I apologize, I just realized I ran them all with Draenei in the race field. Hopefully that doesn't skew the results too much. I am more that certain that the relative ranking of these OH's will remain the same though their calculated DPS difference will change slightly.

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Old 01/28/09, 3:12 PM   #105
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Config DL Path corrected.
The DPS is overall ~100dps less compared to the default config used in the post above, when changing:
Totem of Hex, Combat Length of 3min, Same Priority

There is no change however to the BiS Weapon - WD.

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Old 01/29/09, 12:29 PM   #106
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I also simmed Angry Dead with my gear right now and getting lower numbers then with my Sinister's Revenge, and I found the Webbed Death is best in slot for me.
 
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Old 02/02/09, 2:51 PM   #107
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Not only does Webbed Death sim higher but, it's also worth pointing out that WD and other fast offhands are also "easier" dps. Because they rely more on flametongue, they are simply less dependent on things like latency or having a perfect rotation in general. If during the course of a fight you miss a LL or delay a MW_LB for any reason it will impact dps more with a slow OH than with a fast OH. This is testable in Enhsim, at 0ms latency 1.4 spd WD may come out ~30-50dps ahead of the 2.5 spd Angry Dread, but at 500ms WD should come out ~50-70dps ahead of AD.
 
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Old 02/05/09, 9:38 PM   #108
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Originally Posted by Psychodays View Post
Not only does Webbed Death sim higher but, it's also worth pointing out that WD and other fast offhands are also "easier" dps. Because they rely more on flametongue, they are simply less dependent on things like latency or having a perfect rotation in general. If during the course of a fight you miss a LL or delay a MW_LB for any reason it will impact dps more with a slow OH than with a fast OH. This is testable in Enhsim, at 0ms latency 1.4 spd WD may come out ~30-50dps ahead of the 2.5 spd Angry Dread, but at 500ms WD should come out ~50-70dps ahead of AD.
So you're basically saying for people who are "challenged" at the game, Fast OH's are a better alternative? Quite the compelling argument...
 
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Old 02/07/09, 12:37 PM   #109
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Old 02/08/09, 6:17 PM   #110
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Originally Posted by Neurosisxeno View Post
So you're basically saying for people who are "challenged" at the game, Fast OH's are a better alternative? Quite the compelling argument...
While this may be true, what he's also saying if you could actually read is that if you have abnormally high latency for whatever reason, a fast offhand does not penalize you as much as a slow offhand. Also, there are certain fights where no matter how good you are it is not possible to keep up a perfect rotation - usually because you have to divert your attention to running out of the fire or something equally as 'difficult'.
 
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Old 02/08/09, 8:07 PM   #111
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Originally Posted by Lumb View Post
While this may be true, what he's also saying if you could actually read is that if you have abnormally high latency for whatever reason, a fast offhand does not penalize you as much as a slow offhand. Also, there are certain fights where no matter how good you are it is not possible to keep up a perfect rotation - usually because you have to divert your attention to running out of the fire or something equally as 'difficult'.
Actually that point requires a lot more testing to be conclusive. I can agree about the high latency, although the effect is minimal, but if you have to move alot then the slow weapon should be better.

This is because the slow weapon will have a significantly larger proc chance per hit with maelstrom weapon. Also the weapons will be "queued" for an instant autoattack hit the moment you get back into melee range and the slow one will do more damage in "jousting" type situations. Stormstrike and Lava Lash will also hit harder so as the instants increase as a percentage of your damage due to decreased time on the target so too will the value of the slower weapon.
 
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I've recently been testing Librarian's Paper Cutter offhand with FT/FT build, EnhSim has been simming it within 5 dps of Webbed Death based on my stats, I assume due to it's extreme speed and the nearly ideal stats on it for the build. Was curious how it held up against the BIS list for the rest of you with your own simming.
 
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Old 02/17/09, 10:24 AM   #113
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Originally Posted by Rounced View Post
Actually that point requires a lot more testing to be conclusive. I can agree about the high latency, although the effect is minimal, but if you have to move alot then the slow weapon should be better.

This is because the slow weapon will have a significantly larger proc chance per hit with maelstrom weapon. Also the weapons will be "queued" for an instant autoattack hit the moment you get back into melee range and the slow one will do more damage in "jousting" type situations. Stormstrike and Lava Lash will also hit harder so as the instants increase as a percentage of your damage due to decreased time on the target so too will the value of the slower weapon.
This is the main reason why I keep sticking to my AD and pass on WD all of the time.

I really don't want to waste all that g on zerking for ~20 more dps on patchwerk.

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Originally Posted by Tides View Post
I've recently been testing Librarian's Paper Cutter offhand with FT/FT build, EnhSim has been simming it within 5 dps of Webbed Death based on my stats, I assume due to it's extreme speed and the nearly ideal stats on it for the build. Was curious how it held up against the BIS list for the rest of you with your own simming.
Can you expand on this? What was your setup? Since you were doing FT/FT, I take it you were main handing WD with LPC in the OH?
 
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Old 02/17/09, 12:29 PM   #115
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Can you expand on this? What was your setup? Since you were doing FT/FT, I take it you were main handing WD with LPC in the OH?
I'd assume that it's as a replacement for WD in any similar situation... CG/LPC or Caster Weapon/LPC, etc. The Paper Cutter is a really good FT candidate due to it's 1.3 speed. While it may be a blue, it should sim out as a better OH than any 143 dps weapon, and give 155 dps weapons a run for their money.
 
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Old 02/17/09, 2:19 PM   #116
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Using both my current gear and the BiS gear that's been established in this thread, the Webbed Death sims higher. The Paper Cutter may be optimal for lower gearing levels, but it is not a candidate in the least at the end game, which is the original purpose of this thread. The LPC sims in at ~150-200 DPS below the Webbed Death dependant on gear.

If you run WF/FT, the top simmed damage based on this thread is from Calamity's Grasp and Webbed Death.
If you run FT/FT, the top simmed damage is the Torch of Holy Fire and Webbed Death.
 
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Old 02/17/09, 5:28 PM   #117
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I did a few sims on Calamity's Grasp vs Wraith Strike with Webbed Death as offhand using my generic BiS gear found at chardev.org - a World of Warcraft Character Planner - x

I swapped the 23 haste on the cloak with 22 agi because Wraith Strike was simming for more dps with the agi enchant, while both enchants simmed for about the same with Calamity's Grasp. I'm guessing its because with the haste on Wraith Strike + haste enchant, weapon speed was dropping below 1.5 speed.

I also changed the race in EnhSim from Draenei to Tauren so it wouldn't include the 1% hit from racial, and I changed Boss miss from 9% to 8%.

With lag set to: 0-0
Wraith Strike + Webbed Death with Magma totem : 6122.82
Wraith Strike + Webbed Death with Searing totem : 5977.88

Calamity's Grasp + Webbed Death with Magma totem: 6116.76
Calamity's Grasp + Webbed Death with Searing totem: 5957.05

With lag set to: 200-500
Wraith Strike + Webbed Death with Magma Totem : 5895.90
Wraith Strike + Webbed Death with Searing Totem : 5774.99

Calamity's Grasp + Webbed Death with Magma Totem: 5900.46
Calamity's Grasp + Webbed Death with Searing Totem: 5764.68

Here's My updated Config with Calamity's Grasp+Webbed Death
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         6
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES_SS
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         33.29
oh_crit                         33.29
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3715
haste                           2.84
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             923
int                             470
spi                             153
spellpower                      1115
spell_crit                      24.05
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11166
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
Config with Wraith Strike + Webbed Death
simulation_time                 20000
simulation_time_combatlog       30
combat_length                   3
report_count                    80
threads                         2
min_lag                         0
max_lag                         0
simulate_mana                   0

ep_precision                    2
ep_base_stat                    ap
ep_ap                           64
ep_crit_rating                  46
ep_hit_rating                   30
ep_expertise                    4
ep_haste_rating                 33
ep_armor_penetration_rating     15
ep_spellpower                   28
ep_dps                          10.0
ep_mana                         200
ep_spirit                       100
ep_mp5                          20

mh_auto_attack                  1
oh_auto_attack                  1
wait_ss_with_wf_cd              0
cast_ll_only_if_wf_on_cd        0
bloodlust_casters               2
sync_bloodlust_with_trinkets    0
cast_lvb_only_if_ed_left        15
cast_lvb_only_if_fsdots_left    4
cast_lvb_only_if_fs_active      1
cast_fs_only_if_dots_left       0
cast_ls_only_if_charges_left    0
cast_sr_only_if_mana_left       700
use_mana_potion_if_mana_left    3000

rotation_priority_count         6
rotation_priority1              MW5_LB
rotation_priority2              ES_SS
rotation_priority3              SS
rotation_priority4              LS
rotation_priority5              ST
rotation_priority6              LL

miss                            8.00
dodge                           6.50
glancing                        25.00
armor                           13083
spell_miss                      17.00
nature_resistance               0
fire_resistance                 0
frost_resistance                0
arcane_resistance               0
shadow_resistance               0

armor_debuff_major              3925/3925
armor_debuff_minor              1260/1260
physical_vulnerability_debuff   2.0/2.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          688/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        10.0/10.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   52/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60

replenishment                   1
water_shield                    0
mana_spring_totem               1
blessing_of_wisdom              0
judgement_of_wisdom             1

flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          potion_of_speed
food                            fish_feast
misc_item                       -

###############################################################################
### Everything in the section below can be replaced by information obtained ###
### from your paper doll stats or exported by the ShockAndAwe addon         ###
###############################################################################

race                            tauren
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        1.4
mh_dps                          90.3
oh_dps                          156.4
mh_crit                         32.73
oh_crit                         32.73
mh_hit                          11.98
oh_hit                          11.98
mh_expertise_rating             217
oh_expertise_rating             217
ap                              3625
haste                           3.42
armor_penetration               4
str                             131
agi                             887
int                             514
spi                             153
spellpower                      1549
spell_crit                      24.18
spell_hit                       14.98
max_mana                        11826
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      berserking
oh_enchant                      berserking

mh_weapon                       -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        grim_toll
trinket2                        darkmoon_card_greatness

totem                           totem_of_hex

set_bonus                       naxx_melee_4

metagem                         relentless_earthsiege_diamond

glyph_major1                    stormstrike
glyph_major2                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major3                    lightning_shield

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  5/5
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5

convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 1/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5
 
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Old 02/18/09, 6:14 AM   #118
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Well someone had to take the plunge. A while ago, in the other thread I said I'd try to post some real world numbers, so here they are. (Yeah yeah, in yet another thread, FT/FT vs WF/FT discussion spreading everywhere, blah blah. This thread is actually about comparing weapons, so here is my real world comparison in order to show fast weapon FT/FT's crazy scaling is more than just theorycraft. If it really bothers people that much that I post this here instead of cluttering up the forum with new threads then I just won't bother anymore.)

Weapon setup: Haunting Call (50 spell power), Webbed Death (Berserking)

Here are my Patchwerk and a Thaddius kills from last week. Currently Thaddius (10317 dps) is ranked at #3 dps for shaman on WMO, and Patchwerk (5503 dps) is not too far off the leader board all things considered.

However, before writing this off as 'not being the best', look at the other factors that make me feel this is worth looking at:

- Gear. Just in case you armory me, since those fights I have picked up a Blue Aspect Helmet (~180EP gain over t7.5), T7.5 gloves (~40EP over T7), and finally swallowed my pride and took the Wrymcrest Necklace of Power (~200EP over CoD) and I'm still a few slots behind the people ahead of me on the meters. I am still wearing a few pieces 10man gear and am far from BIS for example.

Note: Those EP values are based on the numbers I was seeing at the time of the upgrade. Haste was hypervalued for quite a while. I'm at the point where it's worth 3.4EP a point. However, I'm single digits away from having the valuing nosediving to 1.4EP. I suspect this has to do with static shock eating too many stormstrike charges.

- Fight length. We were months slow in putting together a 25 man guild and only now are getting well geared. As a result, fights are longer. Many of the Patchwerk fights on the leader board are a minute faster; that's almost half the fight duration. That is a massive difference in heroism/bloodlust/pot duration. One of the Thaddius fights was 50 seconds faster.

- Comparison to other classes in the raid. While the other people on the meter aren't setting any records, I believe that after you take gear level into account they are still a good comparison to 'normal' DPS. Believe what you will, but the other people in the guild aren't bad. Many frequent EJ, and some do experimentation of their own. Before TBC/WoTLK many were competitive with the top DPS of their classes at the time. Up until right now, thanks to a really good loot week after those kills, I had average gear amongst my guild.

I also might just be talking out of my ass here, but after the Thaddius fight while I was waiting for someone to inevitably post the meter (I just use statiscl and a guildmate uploads to WWS/WMO since I noticed Recount behaving strangely in FT/FT dummy tests) I was thinking that my DPS wouldn't be high and was unhappy with my performance. Without the meter I thought I could have had a substantial improvement. Still do. Especially with the new gear.
For more evidence of FT/FT's crazy scaling you can look at the Loatheb fight too I guess. I didn't post it because my spore spawned in the healers and they didn't' get out of the way so one stole my buff. As a result, my (and some other's) buff uptime is painfully low. Edit: Oh I remember part of the reason why now. I spent most of the time on the 11 debuff side.

As a small suffix: it is worth noting that threat (for the time being anyways) tends to be somewhat of an issue at times. Since Spirit Weapons doesn't effect much of your damage with this setup, I've (rarely) run into some situations where I've had to stop DPS because I was getting uncomfortably high (105%). That being said, if you can bribe one of your paladin friends to toss you a hand of salvation in an emergency, it's more than manageable.

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Old 02/18/09, 10:23 AM   #119
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Originally Posted by Paenor View Post
Well someone had to take the plunge. A while ago, in the other thread I said I'd try to post some real world numbers, so here they are. (Yeah yeah, in yet another thread, FT/FT vs WF/FT discussion spreading everywhere, blah blah. This thread is actually about comparing weapons, so here is my real world comparison in order to show fast weapon FT/FT's crazy scaling is more than just theorycraft. If it really bothers people that much that I post this here instead of cluttering up the forum with new threads then I just won't bother anymore.)

Weapon setup: Haunting Call (50 spell power), Webbed Death (Berserking)

Here are my Patchwerk and a Thaddius kills from last week. Currently Thaddius (10317 dps) is ranked at #3 dps for shaman on WMO, and Patchwerk (5503 dps) is not too far off the leader board all things considered.

However, before writing this off as 'not being the best', look at the other factors that make me feel this is worth looking at:

- Gear. Just in case you armory me, since those fights I have picked up a Blue Aspect Helmet (~180EP gain over t7.5), T7.5 gloves (~40EP over T7), and finally swallowed my pride and took the Wrymcrest Necklace of Power (~200EP over CoD) and I'm still a few slots behind the people ahead of me on the meters. I am still wearing a few pieces 10man gear and am far from BIS for example.

Note: Those EP values are based on the numbers I was seeing at the time of the upgrade. Haste was hypervalued for quite a while. I'm at the point where it's worth 3.4EP a point. However, I'm single digits away from having the valuing nosediving to 1.4EP. I suspect this has to do with static shock eating too many stormstrike charges.

- Fight length. We were months slow in putting together a 25 man guild and only now are getting well geared. As a result, fights are longer. Many of the Patchwerk fights on the leader board are a minute faster; that's almost half the fight duration. That is a massive difference in heroism/bloodlust/pot duration. One of the Thaddius fights was 50 seconds faster.

- Comparison to other classes in the raid. While the other people on the meter aren't setting any records, I believe that after you take gear level into account they are still a good comparison to 'normal' DPS. Believe what you will, but the other people in the guild aren't bad. Many frequent EJ, and some do experimentation of their own. Before TBC/WoTLK many were competitive with the top DPS of their classes at the time. Up until right now, thanks to a really good loot week after those kills, I had average gear amongst my guild.

I also might just be talking out of my ass here, but after the Thaddius fight while I was waiting for someone to inevitably post the meter (I just use statiscl and a guildmate uploads to WWS/WMO since I noticed Recount behaving strangely in FT/FT dummy tests) I was thinking that my DPS wouldn't be high and was unhappy with my performance. Without the meter I thought I could have had a substantial improvement. Still do. Especially with the new gear.
For more evidence of FT/FT's crazy scaling you can look at the Loatheb fight too I guess. I didn't post it because my spore spawned in the healers and they didn't' get out of the way so one stole my buff. As a result, my (and some other's) buff uptime is painfully low. Edit: Oh I remember part of the reason why now. I spent most of the time on the 11 debuff side.

As a small suffix: it is worth noting that threat (for the time being anyways) tends to be somewhat of an issue at times. Since Spirit Weapons doesn't effect much of your damage with this setup, I've (rarely) run into some situations where I've had to stop DPS because I was getting uncomfortably high (105%). That being said, if you can bribe one of your paladin friends to toss you a hand of salvation in an emergency, it's more than manageable.

I'm getting a "look at my dps" feel from this post. What is your point?
 
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Old 02/18/09, 7:11 PM   #120
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Originally Posted by jonnaei View Post
I'm getting a "look at my dps" feel from this post. What is your point?
Errr yeah, looking at it now does make it come off as looking that way. I think it came from a combination 5am posting, and reading the 'Finding the top Raid DPS' thread for my alt in the DK forum (A thread created to try and find out which spec/gear can do the most DPS). In my mind, WF/FT & FT/FT's gear/style is almost different enough to be called 'different specs'.

I've seen a lot of talk since the WF glyph nerf that 'FT might be better, given the right gear.' Well, talk and simming can only get you so far. Eventually you have to get that 'right' gear and move into the 'real world'. I attempted to do that, and show that FT/FT can do a disproportional amount of damage when buffed. That it scales way better than WF/FT, and that if anything min/max'ers should pick up a caster weapon for fights like Thaddius/Loatheb because the fight mechanics make FT way better.

The point was to highlight the gear setup, not my DPS. The DPS can be improved, that much should be obvious, I am not a special snowflake. My point is that if the other people on that leaderboard used FT/FT, I wouldn't even be on it.
 
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Old 02/19/09, 1:53 AM   #121
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More anecdotal evidence for FT/FT: I ran [Infection Repulser]/[Webbed Death] tonight for the last few fights in Nax. It was a sloppy night so the only clean fight I have was Saph, and I topped the meter by 600dps which is extremely unusual for my normal raid group. I would typically be 3rd-5th on fights like that. I'll post a clean WWS or WMO after next week's Patchwerk, but my initial impression confirms the crazy FT scaling that others have seen.
 
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Old 02/19/09, 10:34 AM   #122
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Well i tried Ft/Ft last night in naxx 25 and didnt even come close to that. My gear is very similar to yours and i only reached 4500 dps on Patch, a bit more cant remenber exact number, only thing I didnt have was UR or similar buff cause hunter D/c in the begining of the fight and I specced out of UR to try the same build has U. 2 weeks ago I did 4664 with WF/FT, but with some diference in gear.
 
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Old 02/19/09, 12:25 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by epamafia View Post
Well i tried Ft/Ft last night in naxx 25 and didnt even come close to that. My gear is very similar to yours and i only reached 4500 dps on Patch, a bit more cant remenber exact number, only thing I didnt have was UR or similar buff cause hunter D/c in the begining of the fight and I specced out of UR to try the same build has U. 2 weeks ago I did 4664 with WF/FT, but with some diference in gear.
There are so many different variables that are in constant flux week to week, it's arrogant to dismiss/praise something after 1 night of testing. We have slow PW kills for our gear level and last week I hit 6400 dps on a 2:12 kill, this week similar length and barely reached 6k(no sunder qq). Fights that quick are poor judges of the actual DPS a spec can do. Actually sit down and analyze your WWS and compare crit rates, buffs, raid comp, kill time, etc; these are all gigantic factors and in fights that take 2 minutes. You can rng the hell out of LB and rock 70% crit one week and come back the next and be lucky to hit 45, likewise with the other 923011 damage sources enhancement has.

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Old 02/19/09, 1:15 PM   #124
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According to the info in this thread about dps of OH weapons Webbed Death is superior to all other weapons in both WF/FT and FT/FT setups. I want to say that in my current gear (FT/FT) it is 15 dps less, than Sinister Revenge according to the EnchSim 1.58.
Concerning weapon enchants 63 spd is a bit better, than berserk on the MH and equal to berserk on the OH according to the same version of the Sim.
 
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Old 02/20/09, 8:30 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Paenor View Post
Well someone had to take the plunge. A while ago, in the other thread I said I'd try to post some real world numbers, so here they are. (Yeah yeah, in yet another thread, FT/FT vs WF/FT discussion spreading everywhere, blah blah. This thread is actually about comparing weapons, so here is my real world comparison in order to show fast weapon FT/FT's crazy scaling is more than just theorycraft. If it really bothers people that much that I post this here instead of cluttering up the forum with new threads then I just won't bother anymore.)

Weapon setup: Haunting Call (50 spell power), Webbed Death (Berserking)

Here are my Patchwerk and a Thaddius kills from last week. Currently Thaddius (10317 dps) is ranked at #3 dps for shaman on WMO, and Patchwerk (5503 dps) is not too far off the leader board all things considered.

However, before writing this off as 'not being the best', look at the other factors that make me feel this is worth looking at:

- Gear. Just in case you armory me, since those fights I have picked up a Blue Aspect Helmet (~180EP gain over t7.5), T7.5 gloves (~40EP over T7), and finally swallowed my pride and took the Wrymcrest Necklace of Power (~200EP over CoD) and I'm still a few slots behind the people ahead of me on the meters. I am still wearing a few pieces 10man gear and am far from BIS for example.

Note: Those EP values are based on the numbers I was seeing at the time of the upgrade. Haste was hypervalued for quite a while. I'm at the point where it's worth 3.4EP a point. However, I'm single digits away from having the valuing nosediving to 1.4EP. I suspect this has to do with static shock eating too many stormstrike charges.

- Fight length. We were months slow in putting together a 25 man guild and only now are getting well geared. As a result, fights are longer. Many of the Patchwerk fights on the leader board are a minute faster; that's almost half the fight duration. That is a massive difference in heroism/bloodlust/pot duration. One of the Thaddius fights was 50 seconds faster.

- Comparison to other classes in the raid. While the other people on the meter aren't setting any records, I believe that after you take gear level into account they are still a good comparison to 'normal' DPS. Believe what you will, but the other people in the guild aren't bad. Many frequent EJ, and some do experimentation of their own. Before TBC/WoTLK many were competitive with the top DPS of their classes at the time. Up until right now, thanks to a really good loot week after those kills, I had average gear amongst my guild.

I also might just be talking out of my ass here, but after the Thaddius fight while I was waiting for someone to inevitably post the meter (I just use statiscl and a guildmate uploads to WWS/WMO since I noticed Recount behaving strangely in FT/FT dummy tests) I was thinking that my DPS wouldn't be high and was unhappy with my performance. Without the meter I thought I could have had a substantial improvement. Still do. Especially with the new gear.
For more evidence of FT/FT's crazy scaling you can look at the Loatheb fight too I guess. I didn't post it because my spore spawned in the healers and they didn't' get out of the way so one stole my buff. As a result, my (and some other's) buff uptime is painfully low. Edit: Oh I remember part of the reason why now. I spent most of the time on the 11 debuff side.

As a small suffix: it is worth noting that threat (for the time being anyways) tends to be somewhat of an issue at times. Since Spirit Weapons doesn't effect much of your damage with this setup, I've (rarely) run into some situations where I've had to stop DPS because I was getting uncomfortably high (105%). That being said, if you can bribe one of your paladin friends to toss you a hand of salvation in an emergency, it's more than manageable.
I too decided to take a stab at this. I upgraded my pants from Herois to Valorous yesterday but otherwise my gear is the same as our 25 man naxx clear yesterday. I had 6100 DPS on Patchwerk, and 11300 DPS on Thaddius. This is with Cudgel of Saronite Justice in the mainhand, which simmed as better with 63 SP than Berserking.
 
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