Elemental 3.0.8 PTR Testing 9438

Ezareth · 01/08/09, 11:09 PM

Going to list all coefficients and calculations for Elemental here.

Good news is Shamanism and Elemental Mastery appear to be working perfectly.

I've also discovered a bug that is currently working in our favor.

With Elemental Mastery up Clearcasting does not have it's charges consumed. This is the same bug that used to see Elemental Mastery Consume clearcasting charges except in reverse. Not a major deal really considering with an insane crit rate +20% from EM we are almost at 100% uptime for those 30 seconds anyway.

So far I've tested lightning bolt without Concussion or Elemental Oath.

719-819 base damage.
I'm wearing 1000 spellpower.
Max hit shows 1533 which is a perfect .714 coefficient.

Testing Shamanism proves my theory that Shamanism adds to our coefficient.

719-819 base damage.
I'm wearing 1000 spellpower.
Max hit shows 1633 which is a perfect .814 coeffiient.

This is excellent news as it is MUCH better than just a static +10%/20% spellpower bonus.

Glyph of Lightning Bolt added.
742-852 base damage now.
1000 spellpower.
Only thing missing now is Concussion
1000 Spellpower
Max Hit 1698
Shows it works like concussion and gives a 1.04% multiplier.

Elemental Oath Testing.
742-852 base damage.
1000 spellpower
No Shamanism or Concussion.
Max hit 1754
Shows it adds 10% Multiplier to end damage, not spell power as we anticipated which is why it doesnt show up in our portrait.

That concludes my testing for tonight. Post questions in this thread and I'll try and test anything tomorrow.

I'm also going to try a dummy DPS test in full gear to compare to what I am doing on live.

Mmootimus · 01/08/09, 11:25 PM

I assumed Shamanism would work multiplicatively. If its working additively - as Glyph of Lava does - then thats a much bigger buff. The buff to LvB is almost double in fact.

Will be testing myself tomorrow anyway.

Sjera · 01/08/09, 11:58 PM

Thanks for posting these results.
I had presumed that it would be working this way - but it's nice to have it confirmed.

I have also assumed that the change to the LB glyph will work in a similar manner - but I'm less sure about that one.

The other calculation I wouldn't mind getting confirmation is that the Elemental Oath +10% damage, can be accurately modelled as 1 + (0.1 * %clearcasting_uptime) * average dps. Though I imagine that this may be hard to verify.

Ezareth · 01/09/09, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Sjera

Thanks for posting these results.
I had presumed that it would be working this way - but it's nice to have it confirmed.

I have also assumed that the change to the LB glyph will work in a similar manner - but I'm less sure about that one.

The other calculation I wouldn't mind getting confirmation is that the Elemental Oath +10% damage, can be accurately modelled as 1 + (0.1 * %clearcasting_uptime) * average dps. Though I imagine that this may be hard to verify.

Easy actually now that we know the other modifiers.

I'm going to run the same test yet remove shamanism and all other modifiers except glyph of lightning bolt.

tufy · 01/09/09, 2:40 AM

Hah, I was right in every aspect, Shadow and Flame IS a specific change after all (provided the testing was done correctly there and the "nerf" exists, of course).

I'd just have one comment - Lightning Bolt glyph most probably isn't a 1.04 multiplier, it's an additional .04 scaler. That should be obvious when Concussion is added and the damage will be 1 + 0.05 + 0.04 = 1.09, not 1.05 * 1.04 = 1.092. Ok, not obvious, as the difference is tiny, but that's how virtually all damage increase talents work :p

Mmootimus · 01/09/09, 9:56 AM

OK, my results. which are admittedly, less than totally shocking:

- Confirmed LB coefficient at 0.814 with Shamanism
- Confirmed LvB coefficient at 0.871 with Glyph of Lava and Shamanism

...So Shamanism is giving a 0.1/0.2 spellpower coefficient boost to each spell respectively.

- Confirmed bug with Elemental Mastery. Whilst EM is up we do NOT lose clearcasting charges. The clearcasting buff will start to count down from 15 secs if we do not crit, but the charges and bonus damage stay. I imagine some bugged code still exists somewhere, so in some way all EM hits are still crits, even if they no longer do crit damage.

- Coefficient on FlS ticks found to be 0.165 - this is with Concussion, unlike the other coefficients given.

And finally, the one area of disagreement...

- New Elemental Oath / Clearcasting - only area I think Ezareth has it wrong. For me it is adding a flat 10% increase to all damage calculated after all other modifiers - and not 10% extra spellpower. In other words its working very much like a double-power Concussion.

Examples - testing with 2095 spellpower, I received a max normal LB hit of 2651 without clearcasting up, and 2916 with clearcasting up, almost exactly 10% more. Even more simply, flame shock ticks went from 575/576 - 632/633.

Ezareth · 01/09/09, 11:11 AM

I'm not sold on the idea of LB Glyph being scalar and not a multiplier yet since I don't usually assume until I test. I'll have to do definitive testing on this. The T6 bonus was scalar correct?

Mmootimus you are right, I had the right data but parse it wrong and somehow came up with .7135 or so which I figured was correct. I should have double checked my math.

Just so it is clear Elemental Oath IS Multiplicative after all other calculations are done. It is not added to concussion and the Lightning bolt glyph it is multiplied with it.

I tested with a good 300 crits on elemental oath and never received a hit higher than 1754.

With a tooltip max damage of 852 and no concussion I filter out the lightning bolt glyph by dividing both numbers by 104 and multiplying by 100.

This gave me 1686.5. I then divide again by 11 and multiply by 10 giving me 1533.

I also just realized that lightning bolt damage was buffed by 4 damage unless I'm mistaken. On live it is 815-915. On test it is 819-919.

All of this together is definitately giving us the 20% buff that GC had mentioned.

Quoted from my post on the Damage Dealer Forums, GC confirms this is the intended mechanic:

Originally Posted by Ezareth

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Further testing and parsing of data has proven that Elemental Oath is not adding 10% spellpower.

It is adding a 10% Multiplicative bonus to ALL of our spells which needless to say is a MASSIVE buff.
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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

That does sound like it explains a lot of the differences between our numbers and yours. Sorry we couldn't figure out the source of the discrepancy before.

This is why I say things like we're reluctant to rely too heavily on player-generated numbers when they disagree with ours. We would have ended up buffing Elemental too much, which I'm sure might have been fun until we caught it.

In any case, we're pleased that the numbers changed in the intended way, but we'll continue to keep an eye on it.

Binkenstein · 01/09/09, 5:36 PM

I'm not entirely sure where this concept that the Oath CC bonus was additive and not multiplicative. I've always assumed it was the latter in my calculations.

tufy · 01/09/09, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I'm not entirely sure where this concept that the Oath CC bonus was additive and not multiplicative. I've always assumed it was the latter in my calculations.

Well, I personally looked at EO's "increases spell damage done" in a similar way as Concussion "increases the damage done", or call of flame "increases damage done by your Lava Burst" or Arcane Instability "increases your spell damage by 3%", so it seemed logical to me that EO is just a temporary version of those effects. As an outside multiplier, it's definitely a lot stronger than what I had expected (not that the wrong version was bad :p).

Binkenstein · 01/09/09, 7:13 PM

Even though it was a talent, it was still a buff effect, which are calculated separately.

tufy · 01/10/09, 4:42 AM

You're right, of course, I just didn't think of it at the time. Oh well, we all make mistakes

thunderfang · 01/10/09, 5:04 PM

So, with Concussion, EO, Shamanism and the Glyph of LB，the Lightning Bolt damage (under Clearcasting) is

(Base Damage + Spell Power * (2.5/3.5+0.1))*1.05*1.10*1.04

Isn't it?

Binkenstein · 01/11/09, 9:47 PM

Oh, confirmed that the DoT portion of Flame Shock is only affected by Clearcasting (the damage buff portion) if the direct damage portion is.
This means that as long as FS consumes a CC charge when cast, the dot will have the 10% bonus.

Medicine Man · 01/12/09, 9:40 PM

A post up on the Blizzard forums is reporting that our T7.5 4 piece set bonus is not working: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Elemental Shaman T7 Set Bonus Bug?

I don't suppose anyone has had the opportunity to test this?

Mmootimus · 01/12/09, 10:12 PM

I saw that post via mmo-champion, just assumed its someone being foolish and not testing thoroughly/not realising just how small the effect is. Someone else posted a bug a few days ago that Glyph of Lava didn't work on the PTR, and that was total rubbish.

The 4-pc is certainly working on live anyway.

Edit: Just to avoid rumours, I went on PTR to test for 10 minutes. This isn't enough time for a full range of coefficient tests, and neither do I plan to do so, but from everything I saw the 4-pc bonus is working exactly as on live.