[Enhancement] Rawr.Enhance thread - Page 11

iconocclast · 05/22/09, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Extenze

I just ran the optimizer, and it's giving me 538hit rating fully raid buffed, and putting me under expertise cap.

I too am having issues with RAWR optimizing for hit gems getting me up to 550 hit instead of working on other stats.

• frmorrison · 05/22/09, 11:23 PM

I noticed Rawr.Enhance did not have the Pyro Rocket Engineering glove enchant added.

Ruga · 05/25/09, 9:54 AM

Heya,

There seems to be an issue with Rawr 2.2.5 (Released on 23.05.2009) and EnhSim 1.7.0:

When I export from Rawr to EnhSim, not all Data is being copied to the clipboard:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        3
mh_dps                          178.8
oh_dps                          46.3
mh_crit                         17.45
oh_crit                         17.45
mh_hit                          5.55
oh_hit                          5.55
mh_expertise_rating             77
oh_expertise_rating             77
ap                              2125
melee_haste                     3.01
armor_penetration               3.65
str                             131
agi                             374
int                             361
spi                             155
spellpower                      638
spell_crit                      14.40
spell_hit                       6.94
spell_haste                     2.32
max_mana                        9531
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      -
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        -
trinket2                        -

totem                           -
set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_2
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         -

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    lightning_shield
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   5/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              0.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          0/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0.0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        0.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 165/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0.0/3.0
haste_buff                      0.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      0.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 0.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   0/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  0/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    -
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            -

combat_length                   6.00

And here's my characters XML:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Character xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <Name>megafail</Name>
  <Realm>sylvanas</Realm>
  <Region>EU</Region>
  <Race>Draenei</Race>
  <Class>Shaman</Class>
  <ActiveBuffs>Heroic Presence</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Strength of Earth Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Flametongue Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Bloodlust</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Windfury Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Improved Windfury Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Enhancing Totems (Agility/Strength)</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Enhancing Totems (Spell Power)</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Worldbreaker Battlegear 2 Piece Bonus</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Worldbreaker Battlegear 4 Piece Bonus</ActiveBuffs>
  <CalculationOptions>
    <item>
      <key>
        <string>Enhance</string>
      </key>
      <value>
        <string>&lt;?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?&gt;
&lt;CalculationOptionsEnhance xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"&gt;
  &lt;TargetLevel&gt;83&lt;/TargetLevel&gt;
  &lt;TargetArmor&gt;10643&lt;/TargetArmor&gt;
  &lt;NumberOfFerociousInspirations&gt;2&lt;/NumberOfFerociousInspirations&gt;
  &lt;ShattrathFaction&gt;Aldor&lt;/ShattrathFaction&gt;
  &lt;MainhandImbue&gt;Windfury&lt;/MainhandImbue&gt;
  &lt;OffhandImbue&gt;Flametongue&lt;/OffhandImbue&gt;
  &lt;FightLength&gt;6&lt;/FightLength&gt;
  &lt;TargetFireResistance&gt;0&lt;/TargetFireResistance&gt;
  &lt;TargetNatureResistance&gt;0&lt;/TargetNatureResistance&gt;
  &lt;BaseStatOption&gt;false&lt;/BaseStatOption&gt;
  &lt;Magma&gt;true&lt;/Magma&gt;
&lt;/CalculationOptionsEnhance&gt;</string>
      </value>
    </item>
  </CalculationOptions>
  <AvailableItems>46212</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-13817</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>44664</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45415</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-33808</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>46205</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-53832</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45553</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45844</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-113823</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45562</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-123826</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45454</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-83845</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>46200</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-91603</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45157</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40474</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40256</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45931</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45704</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-41099</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45489</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-153789</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45463</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40267</AvailableItems>
  <CurrentModel>Enhance</CurrentModel>
  <EnforceMetagemRequirements>false</EnforceMetagemRequirements>
  <Head>46212.41285.39999.0.3817</Head>
  <Neck>44664.36766.0.0.0</Neck>
  <Shoulders>45415.39999.0.0.3808</Shoulders>
  <Back>45704.0.0.0.1099</Back>
  <Chest>46205.40053.40052.0.3832</Chest>
  <Shirt>45037.0.0.0.0</Shirt>
  <Wrist>45454.39999.0.0.3845</Wrist>
  <Hands>46200.40058.39999.0.1603</Hands>
  <Waist>45553.39999.36766.39999.0</Waist>
  <Legs>45844.39999.40053.0.3823</Legs>
  <Feet>45562.40058.36766.0.3826</Feet>
  <Finger1>45157.0.0.0.0</Finger1>
  <Finger2>40474.0.0.0.0</Finger2>
  <Trinket1>40256.0.0.0.0</Trinket1>
  <Trinket2>45931.0.0.0.0</Trinket2>
  <MainHand>45489.0.0.0.3789</MainHand>
  <OffHand>45463.0.0.0.3789</OffHand>
  <Ranged>45169.0.0.0.0</Ranged>
  <CalculationToOptimize>[SubPoint 0]</CalculationToOptimize>
  <OptimizationRequirements />
  <WarriorTalents>0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</WarriorTalents>
  <PaladinTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.0000000000000000000000000000000000</PaladinTalents>
  <HunterTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</HunterTalents>
  <RogueTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000</RogueTalents>
  <PriestTalents>0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</PriestTalents>
  <ShamanTalents>05203505000000000000000003020501310502133303113103105100000000000000000000000000.0001000000000000010000100000</ShamanTalents>
  <MageTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.0000000000000000</MageTalents>
  <WarlockTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000</WarlockTalents>
  <DruidTalents>0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000</DruidTalents>
  <DeathKnightTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</DeathKnightTalents>
  <CustomItemInstances />
  <WaistBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</WaistBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
  <HandsBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</HandsBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
  <WristBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</WristBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
</Character>

I tested the export in Rawr 2.2.4 and there it works just fine with EnhSim.

The Export from Clipboard:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          178.8
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         34.94
oh_crit                         34.94
mh_hit                          13.24
oh_hit                          13.24
mh_expertise_rating             141
oh_expertise_rating             141
ap                              4265
melee_haste                     5.95
armor_penetration               9.91
str                             131
agi                             859
int                             554
spi                             155
spellpower                      1279
spell_crit                      27.24
spell_hit                       16.54
spell_haste                     4.57
max_mana                        12426
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        40256
trinket2                        45931

totem                           40267
set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    lightning_shield
glyph_major3                    stormstrike

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                1/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   2/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   5/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              0.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          0/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0.0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        0.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 165/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0.0/3.0
haste_buff                      0.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      0.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 0.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   0/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  0/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    -
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            -

combat_length                   6.00

And the Rawr 2.2.4 XML data:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<Character xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <Name>Megafail</Name>
  <Realm>Sylvanas</Realm>
  <Region>EU</Region>
  <Race>Draenei</Race>
  <Class>Shaman</Class>
  <ActiveBuffs>Heroic Presence</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Strength of Earth Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Flametongue Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Bloodlust</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Windfury Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Improved Windfury Totem</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Enhancing Totems (Agility/Strength)</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Enhancing Totems (Spell Power)</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Worldbreaker Battlegear 2 Piece Bonus</ActiveBuffs>
  <ActiveBuffs>Worldbreaker Battlegear 4 Piece Bonus</ActiveBuffs>
  <CalculationOptions>
    <item>
      <key>
        <string>Enhance</string>
      </key>
      <value>
        <string>&lt;?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?&gt;
&lt;CalculationOptionsEnhance xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"&gt;
  &lt;TargetLevel&gt;83&lt;/TargetLevel&gt;
  &lt;TargetArmor&gt;10643&lt;/TargetArmor&gt;
  &lt;NumberOfFerociousInspirations&gt;2&lt;/NumberOfFerociousInspirations&gt;
  &lt;ShattrathFaction&gt;Aldor&lt;/ShattrathFaction&gt;
  &lt;MainhandImbue&gt;Windfury&lt;/MainhandImbue&gt;
  &lt;OffhandImbue&gt;Flametongue&lt;/OffhandImbue&gt;
  &lt;FightLength&gt;6&lt;/FightLength&gt;
  &lt;TargetFireResistance&gt;0&lt;/TargetFireResistance&gt;
  &lt;TargetNatureResistance&gt;0&lt;/TargetNatureResistance&gt;
  &lt;BaseStatOption&gt;false&lt;/BaseStatOption&gt;
  &lt;Magma&gt;true&lt;/Magma&gt;
&lt;/CalculationOptionsEnhance&gt;</string>
      </value>
    </item>
  </CalculationOptions>
  <AvailableItems>46212</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-13817</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>44664</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45415</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-33808</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>46205</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-53832</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45553</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45844</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-113823</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45562</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-123826</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45454</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-83845</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>46200</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-91603</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45157</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40474</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40256</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45931</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45704</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-41099</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45489</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>-153789</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>45463</AvailableItems>
  <AvailableItems>40267</AvailableItems>
  <CurrentModel>Enhance</CurrentModel>
  <EnforceMetagemRequirements>false</EnforceMetagemRequirements>
  <Head>46212.41285.39999.0.3817</Head>
  <Neck>44664.36766.0.0.0</Neck>
  <Shoulders>45415.39999.0.0.3808</Shoulders>
  <Back>45704.0.0.0.1099</Back>
  <Chest>46205.40053.40052.0.3832</Chest>
  <Shirt>45037.0.0.0.0</Shirt>
  <Wrist>45454.39999.0.0.3845</Wrist>
  <Hands>46200.40058.39999.0.1603</Hands>
  <Waist>45553.39999.36766.39999.0</Waist>
  <Legs>45844.39999.40053.0.3823</Legs>
  <Feet>45562.40058.36766.0.3826</Feet>
  <Finger1>45157.0.0.0.0</Finger1>
  <Finger2>40474.0.0.0.0</Finger2>
  <Trinket1>40256.0.0.0.0</Trinket1>
  <Trinket2>45931.0.0.0.0</Trinket2>
  <MainHand>45489.0.0.0.3789</MainHand>
  <OffHand>45463.0.0.0.3789</OffHand>
  <Ranged>40267.0.0.0.0</Ranged>
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  <PaladinTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.0000000000000000000000000000000000</PaladinTalents>
  <HunterTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000</HunterTalents>
  <RogueTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000</RogueTalents>
  <PriestTalents>0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</PriestTalents>
  <ShamanTalents>05203505000000000000000003020501310502133303113103105100000000000000000000000000.0001000000000000010000100000</ShamanTalents>
  <MageTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.0000000000000000</MageTalents>
  <WarlockTalents>000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000</WarlockTalents>
  <DruidTalents>0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000</DruidTalents>
  <DeathKnightTalents>00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.000000000000000000000000000000000</DeathKnightTalents>
  <CustomItemInstances />
  <WaistBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</WaistBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
  <HandsBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</HandsBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
  <WristBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>true</WristBlacksmithingSocketEnabled>
</Character>

Zensai · 05/27/09, 11:44 AM

Last night I required a few more pieces of gear, usually I won't gem them and I usually go into Rawr, import from Armory, and have it optimize.... 2.2.2 and 2.2.5 are giving me the same results they are optimizing way to much hit 500+ hit.. The only reason I like using rawr is to optimize gems/socket bonuses. And it makes simming alot easier when moving gear around... Is there a ETA to this being addressed, or is there another method to find the perfect gem/socket bonus setup.

Adain · 05/28/09, 7:06 PM

Using Rawr 2.2.5

I'm a little confused here, general concensus on the forum seems to be that [Totem of the Dancing Flame] is pretty awful, but in rawr 2.2.5 it's totally amazing for me with a score of 175.87 points (dueling gets 58.23 points, hateful totem 73.74 points)

Now I'm wondering, if the model for enhancement in 2.2.5 is flawed when it comes to totems (or perhaps just for dancing flame) or if it's really that awesome given my gear setup. (most noteworthy items are 4 pieces of conqueror's worldbreaker kit, the masticator and touch of madness) Although it comes out really stellar as well when loading lesser-geared shamans on the server and comparing how the totems score.

Or, Totem of the Dancing Flame actually does have the potential of being absolutely amazing.

The weird thing is though is that (unsurprisingly) Totem of Dueling gives me slightly higher white, flametongue damage, LB and LS damage. Dancing Flame however not just cranks up my SS damage by 50 dps in Rawr, it also significantly boosts WF and LL damage. Especially the increase in Lava Lash damage goes through the roof.

That just feels wrong and I haven't really had the chance to test it in raids yet but just wondering what the opinion on it is over here.

OnosKT · 05/28/09, 7:43 PM

Dancing Flame however not just cranks up my SS damage by 50 dps in Rawr, it also significantly boosts WF and LL damage. Especially the increase in Lava Lash damage goes through the roof.

In that case Rawr is bugged for it. Dancing Flame will increase your SS, and only your SS by 310 (155 for each weapon) pre armor reduction.

Omidin · 05/29/09, 2:34 PM

Downloaded latest Rawr to test some stats on my enhance sham, I start filling out my gear and such but when I get to the totem slot the program throws an exception and crashes. Is that a known bug or am I doing something wrong?

OnosKT · 05/29/09, 2:45 PM

Latest Rawr is? Always say version when submitting bug reports, since 'latest' changes.

Also what do you mean by "I start filling out my gear and such". Did you import your char from the armory and replaced stuff, or did you start with an empty template and added gear to it? If the second, did you chose the correct model - shaman enhance for it?

Omidin · 05/29/09, 2:58 PM

You're obviously right, I'm sorry.

I have Rawr 2.2.5, I did not import from Armory as it seems to be having issues atm. I picked out my race/class/spec (tauren/shaman/enhancement) and started filling out gear. Every other slot works fine, its just the Totem slot that crashes the program.

Voltus · 05/30/09, 1:14 AM

I too have been having the Problem where rawr optimises my gems and enchants for waaaay too Much hit.

am I doing something wrong?

• Jessamy · 05/30/09, 2:50 AM

Originally Posted by Voltus

I too have been having the Problem where rawr optimises my gems and enchants for waaaay too Much hit.

am I doing something wrong?

How much hit is "too much?" Until you reach the dual wield white damage hit cap (basically not possible), hit provides around the same dps increase as agility, crit, or haste. Having a very high hit rating on your gear is a good thing.

Originally Posted by zomghax

The thing to keep in mind is that hit, even beyond the spell hit cap, still has value because it impacts your white damage, flametongue damage, chance to stack MW, and chance to proc static shock. That's why even once you go passed cap in the sim, it continues to have values of 1.6-1.7.

There are people out there with well over 500 hit rocking both the Pyrite Infuser and the Blood of the Old God. Drop what hit you can in terms of gems and enchants, because you certainly shouldn't need any extra, but don't stress about replacing or 'getting rid' of gear that has hit on it so that you can hover at the cap before using one of the Ulduar hit trinkets. Even with an EP for hit of 1.6-1.7, Infuser and Blood are still both top 4.

Ugohoof · 05/30/09, 5:47 AM

Originally Posted by Levva

Note

I've done a massive amount of refactoring and simplification of the code in last few days between v2.2.2 and v2.2.4 during that time something has gone funny with hit rating in that it now seems as it if isn't capping. Now that the changes have been done I'll have some time to actually work out why this is. Apologies in the mean time for this inaccuracy. I'm also homing in on the spell damage being always 10% higher in Rawr than in EnhSim.

It's an issue known by Rawr. Simply go one page back and read Levvas post.

Tatonk · 06/01/09, 5:59 PM

I know comparing Wraith Strike vs Calamity's Grasp has come up before, but I have been trying this with the current versions of EnhSim (1.7) and Rawr (2.2.5). Levva has asked for more specific examples of comparisons in an effort to get the systems to match more closely.

Wraith Strike

Head	Arc-Scorched Helmet
Neck	Pendant of the Outcast Hero
Shoulders	Heroes' Earthshatter Shoulderguards
Chest	Heroes' Earthshatter Chestguard
Waist	Depraved Linked Belt
Legs	Heroes' Earthshatter War-Kilt
Feet	Crippled Treads
Wrist	Thrusting Bands
Hands	Heroes' Earthshatter Grips
Finger1	Mobius Band
Finger2	Stained-Glass Shard Ring
Trinket1	Mirror of Truth
Trinket2	Mark of the War Prisoner
Back	Deathchill Cloak
MainHand	Wraith Strike
OffHand	Grimhorn Crusher
Ranged	Totem of Dueling
Tabard	Tabard of the Argent Crusade
Character:		tatonk@US-whisperwind
Race:		Tauren
Health:		19789
Mana:		14121
Attack Power:		4941
Agility:		1043
Strength:		398
Intellect:		667
White Hit:		90.09%
Yellow Hit:		99.92%
Spell Hit:		99.95%
Melee Crit:		39.42%
Spell Crit:		27.19%
Spellpower:		2263
Total Expertise:		25
Haste Rating:			303
Hit Rating:			366
Armour Pen Rating:		0
Avoided Attacks:		9.91%
Avg MH Speed:		1.44
Avg OH Speed:		1.44
Armor Mitigation:		64.15%
UR Uptime:			100.00%
ED Uptime:			65.11%
Flurry Uptime:		92.03%
Avg Time to 5 Stack:		6.05 sec
DPS Points:			4562.00
Survivability Points:		395.78
Overall Points:		4957.78
White Damage:		1142.18
Windfury Attack:		394.62
Flametongue Attack:		514.37
Lightning Bolt:		756.51
Earth Shock:			540.45
Searing/Magma Totem:	386.32
Stormstrike:			241.15
Spirit Wolf:			151.72
Lightning Shield:		231.07
Lava Lash:			203.61
Total DPS:			4562.00
Enhance Version:		2.2.5.0
Status:		Enhance Model : DPS Points 4562.00, Survivability Points 395.78, Overall Points 4957.78


Enchant 3830 not found.
EnhSim version 1.7.0

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MH:
miss                1228385        9.84%
dodge               8703           0.07%
glancing            3120589        24.99%
hit                 3330437        26.67%
crit                4797543        38.42%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.40%
procs/swings        14.09%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2987           0.07%
hit                 2403942        58.63%
crit                1693027        41.29%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1441           0.07%
hit                 1213173        58.69%
crit                852426         41.24%

OH:
miss                1225295        9.81%
dodge               8818           0.07%
glancing            3119943        24.99%
hit                 3335180        26.71%
crit                4796421        38.42%

OH Flametongue:
miss                7753           0.05%
hit                 11663719       74.09%
crit                4070618        25.86%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1445           0.07%
hit                 1213776        58.76%
crit                850378         41.17%

Earth Shock:
miss                1409           0.05%
hit                 1934105        74.07%
crit                675501         25.87%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1687           0.07%
hit                 1417728        58.39%
crit                1008664        41.54%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                1304           0.05%
hit                 1922474        74.10%
crit                670729         25.85%

Lightning Shield:
miss                1206           0.05%
hit                 2202422        99.95%
crit                0              0.00%

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               560522         6.49%
glancing            2157176        24.97%
hit                 5188498        60.05%
crit                733804         8.49%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 47.83

flurry uptime                  89.22%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   56.92%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              41.66%
oh enchant uptime              0.00%
trinket1 uptime                17.31%
trinket2 uptime                20.00%
totem uptime                   68.90%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 0.00      0.00%
replenishment       34.76     19.04%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      0.00%
shamanistic rage    47.98     26.28%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         99.80     54.67%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1045.20   24.6%     83.24
windfury            428.31    10.08%    6.83
flametongue         499.90    11.76%    52.47
stormstrike         201.43    4.74%     6.89      37.96     17.83%
lava lash           174.25    4.1%      8.09      18.21     8.55%
magma totem         407.53    9.59%     2.89      53.70     25.22%
earth shock         464.40    10.93%    8.70      43.60     20.48%
lightning bolt      650.21    15.3%     8.65      56.11     26.36%
lightning shield    211.96    4.99%     0.82      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       166.15    3.91%     0.40      3.31      1.55%

DPS                 4249.35
MPS                 212.89
MP2min              25546.89
MRPS                204.23
Out of mana time    0.09%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 9.73s
simulation speed: 1849188x

Calamity's Grasp

Head	Arc-Scorched Helmet
Neck	Pendant of the Outcast Hero
Shoulders	Heroes' Earthshatter Shoulderguards
Chest	Heroes' Earthshatter Chestguard
Waist	Depraved Linked Belt
Legs	Heroes' Earthshatter War-Kilt
Feet	Crippled Treads
Wrist	Thrusting Bands
Hands	Heroes' Earthshatter Grips
Finger1	Mobius Band
Finger2	Stained-Glass Shard Ring
Trinket1	Mirror of Truth
Trinket2	Mark of the War Prisoner
Back	Deathchill Cloak
MainHand	Calamity's Grasp
OffHand	Grimhorn Crusher
Ranged	Totem of Dueling
Tabard	Tabard of the Argent Crusade
Character:		tatonk@US-whisperwind
Race:		Tauren
Health:		19849
Mana:		13416
Attack Power:		5041
Agility:		1083
Strength:		398
Intellect:		620
White Hit:		90.09%
Yellow Hit:		99.92%
Spell Hit:		99.95%
Melee Crit:		40.03%
Spell Crit:		27.04%
Spellpower:		1832
Total Expertise:		25
Haste Rating:			284
Hit Rating:			366
Armour Pen Rating:		0
Avoided Attacks:		9.91%
Avg MH Speed:		1.45
Avg OH Speed:		1.45
Armor Mitigation:		64.15%
UR Uptime:			100.00%
ED Uptime:			64.80%
Flurry Uptime:		92.42%
Avg Time to 5 Stack:		6.07 sec
DPS Points:			4533.60
Survivability Points:		396.98
Overall Points:		4930.58
White Damage:		1282.43
Windfury Attack:		454.02
Flametongue Attack:		463.12
Lightning Bolt:		667.50
Earth Shock:			493.25
Searing/Magma Totem:	336.48
Stormstrike:			272.26
Spirit Wolf:			152.61
Lightning Shield:		204.68
Lava Lash:			207.25
Total DPS:			4533.60
Enhance Version:		2.2.5.0
Status:		Enhance Model : DPS Points 4533.60, Survivability Points 396.98, Overall Points 4930.58

Enchant 3830 not found.
EnhSim version 1.7.0

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MH:
miss                1220390        9.82%
dodge               8623           0.07%
glancing            3103405        24.98%
hit                 3244405        26.11%
crit                4848246        39.02%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits          15.48%
procs/swings        14.16%
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               2928           0.07%
hit                 2381451        58.02%
crit                1719959        41.91%

MH Storsmtrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1375           0.07%
hit                 1199670        58.09%
crit                864287         41.85%

OH:
miss                1217952        9.80%
dodge               8765           0.07%
glancing            3103844        24.98%
hit                 3249596        26.15%
crit                4844912        38.99%

OH Flametongue:
miss                7794           0.05%
hit                 11648098       74.27%
crit                4027138        25.68%

OH Stormstrike:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1375           0.07%
hit                 1199123        58.10%
crit                863459         41.84%

Earth Shock:
miss                1282           0.05%
hit                 1937880        74.25%
crit                670844         25.70%

Lava Lash:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               1692           0.07%
hit                 1402141        57.85%
crit                1019955        42.08%

Lightning Bolt:
miss                1300           0.05%
hit                 1920686        74.26%
crit                664495         25.69%

Lightning Shield:
miss                1218           0.06%
hit                 2190709        99.94%
crit                0              0.00%

Spirit Wolves:
miss                0              0.00%
dodge               561030         6.49%
glancing            2161186        25.01%
hit                 5184708        60.01%
crit                733076         8.48%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM                 47.67

flurry uptime                  89.72%
unleashed rage uptime          0.00%
elemental devastation uptime   56.62%
elemental oath uptime          0.00%

mh enchant uptime              41.73%
oh enchant uptime              0.00%
trinket1 uptime                17.33%
trinket2 uptime                20.00%
totem uptime                   68.84%
set bonus uptime               0.00%
metagem uptime                 0.00%
gloves enchant uptime          0.00%
cloak enchant uptime           0.00%

                    MRPS without overregen
mana regen          0.00      0.00%
mp5                 0.00      0.00%
replenishment       32.84     18.12%
unrelenting storm   0.00      0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00      0.00%
shamanistic rage    48.86     26.97%
mana potion         0.00      0.00%
misc                0.00      0.00%
stormstrike         99.50     54.91%

                    DPS                 PPM       MPS
white               1178.73   27.65%    82.83
windfury            499.66    11.72%    6.84
flametongue         448.69    10.52%    52.28
stormstrike         227.95    5.35%     6.88      37.93     17.83%
lava lash           176.98    4.15%     8.08      18.20     8.56%
magma totem         379.22    8.89%     2.88      53.63     25.21%
earth shock         423.20    9.93%     8.70      43.65     20.52%
lightning bolt      573.35    13.45%    8.62      55.98     26.32%
lightning shield    188.79    4.43%     0.81      0.00      0.00%
spirit wolves       167.05    3.92%     0.40      3.31      1.55%

DPS                 4263.61
MPS                 212.70
MP2min              25523.80
MRPS                207.98
Out of mana time    0.10%

elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 9.56s
simulation speed: 1882648x

For me, the Wraith Strike vs Calamity's Grasp numbers are close enough to be the essentially the same in real world use. However, the difference between Rawr and EnhSim is pretty significant. Wraith Strike 4562 vs 4249 (Rawr vs EnhSim) and Calamity's Grasp 4534 vs 4264 (Rawr vs EnhSim).

I might be using the Searing totem in Rawr. If I check the box under options, it only makes the Rawr numbers higher and further from EnhSim.

Do we have any known issues that might be resulting in these big differences? Am I doing anything wrong to give the big discrepancies?

Lintra · 06/02/09, 8:41 AM

Oops. Wrong thread. Sorrya about that.

Levva · 06/03/09, 6:44 AM

Originally Posted by Omidin

You're obviously right, I'm sorry.

I have Rawr 2.2.5, I did not import from Armory as it seems to be having issues atm. I picked out my race/class/spec (tauren/shaman/enhancement) and started filling out gear. Every other slot works fine, its just the Totem slot that crashes the program.

Can you post details of the error message please. Or steps I can take to reproduce it. eg: if you have an XML save file of a situation where it loads then you click something and it crashes and does this all the time, please post the XML file so I can repeat the steps and find the problem.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by OnosKT

In that case Rawr is bugged for it. Dancing Flame will increase your SS, and only your SS by 310 (155 for each weapon) pre armor reduction.

Ah ofc that's the problem, it was adding damage boost to MH & OH weapons but not removing it before doing other calcs. Fixed for next version.

Can I take the opportunity to say that this is EXACTLY the sort of testing that helps me enormously. You change one small thing and note an unexpected effect, I can then track down why that is happening.

Compare that to the generic "hit rating is too high", which gives me no clear direction as to what to check. So I'm faced with slugging through the code trying to work out what's wrong. This is doubly difficult when I can't compare to EnhSim as v1.7.0 has the old armour pen calcs and that skews the results. So I need to wait until v1.7.1 comes out with that fixed before I can really track down the hit problem. That is unless someone can come up with a specific test to show where its going wrong.

Part of the issue with hit is that extra white hit means things like berserker enchant procs slightly more = slightly more AP & SP = more damage to all abilities including spells. So its not as simple as saying adding hit beyond hit cap should have no effect on spell damage (eg: Earth Shock). I need to find a test that shows hit behaving badly so I can fix the problem without having to wade through the entire code from scratch with nothing accurate to compare to given v1.7.0 Enhsim has old ArP calcs (pre: Ghostcrawler post on ArP).

PS. I've been snowed under at work doing a major overhaul of our email system and installing Exchange 2007

This combined with joining a new guild and being an officer has meant my time for actually programming over the last couple of weeks has vanished to almost nothing. Sadly recently this has meant that there were no changes between v2.2.4 & v2.2.5 for Enhance module. I did add the new optimizer results frame though with side by side paper dolls, which I hope people like.

Fear not however I do intend to get back into it as soon as things settle down a bit and life returns to normal.