[Enhancement] Rawr.Enhance thread - Page 12

Quaglia · 06/05/09, 7:58 AM

I don't know if this has been already reported in other modules discussions, anyway I post this here, since I noticed this issue while using the Export stats to EnhSim config file function.

This is the Rawr data export:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            troll
mh_speed                        2,6
oh_speed                        2,6
mh_dps                          178.8
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         32.90
oh_crit                         32.90
mh_hit                          11.53
oh_hit                          11.53
mh_expertise_rating             146
oh_expertise_rating             146
ap                              4021
melee_haste                     15.22
armor_penetration               6.74
str                             137
agi                             956
int                             547
spi                             160
spellpower                      1206
spell_crit                      23.99
spell_hit                       14.41
spell_haste                     11.71
max_mana                        12321
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        45931
trinket2                        45263

totem                           40267
set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41398

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             3/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               0/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            0/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              0.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              0.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   0.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          0/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    0.0/99.7
spell_haste_buff                0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          0.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        0.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             0.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 165/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         0.0/3.0
haste_buff                      0.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      0.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              0.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 0.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   0/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  0/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    -
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            -

combat_length                   6.00

As you can see in the first lines, weapon speed is incorrectly handled. Also in the tooltip for the weapons in the main Rawr window, the decimal character is a comma instead of a point.
This causes a DPS loss in EnhSim, if the weapon speed values are not manually corrected.
The problem may be caused by different Regional and Language Options in Windows, since I use Italian versions of the OS, but, interestingly enough, only the weapon speed is affected by this issue, while other stats are correctly showed.
I found this issue using Windows XP pro Italian and Windows Vista Home premium 32-bit Italian.
Versions of Rawr 2.2.5 and 2.2.6

Levva · 06/05/09, 8:48 AM

Thanks for pointing that out I'd missed off the "InvariantCulture" command to normalise weapon speeds to UK/US English numeric representations. Unfortunately this change I noted just after v2.2.6 was build so will appear in v2.2.7+

Again apologies for the lack of updates recently, I've been busy and its nigh on impossible to do proper testing until EnhSim is updated with the new armour pen formulae as I have to manually adjust all the calcs to take that into account which is just way too much work.

Blind · 06/06/09, 5:47 AM

Is the hit capping problem and enh module issue, or a general rawr issue? If its a module problem have you fixed it for 2.2.7 (not clear from above) and if so, is there somewhere to get the module prior to next release?

Levva · 06/06/09, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by Blind

Is the hit capping problem and enh module issue, or a general rawr issue? If its a module problem have you fixed it for 2.2.7 (not clear from above) and if so, is there somewhere to get the module prior to next release?

Sorry I thought my last two posts were clear. I have done almost NO work on Rawr.Enhance lately as I am really busy at work. I will try to allocate some time soon but I NEED a fixed EnhSim that has the new Armour Pen calcs otherwise its a manual slog to compare data. Each module is entirely independent so the current hit issue is Enhance specific.

Extenze · 06/06/09, 11:40 AM

tortugapir8 compiled a version with the fixed armor calc link

dregs · 06/07/09, 9:02 PM

I went over my Rawr (v2.2.6) and ShockAndAwe (v4.36) exported configs to double check accuracy and compared the stats to my character on live. I was sure to remove all buffs and anything that might skew the results. There were a few discrepancies between both exports and my actual character.

Rawr (v2.2.6) export:

##########################################
### Rawr.Enhance Data Export to EnhSim ###
##########################################

config_source rawr

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.6
oh_speed                        2.6
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         32.40
oh_crit                         32.40
mh_hit                          10.58
oh_hit                          10.58
mh_expertise_rating             147
oh_expertise_rating             147
ap                              4003
melee_haste                     14.51
armor_penetration               7.06
str                             131
agi                             860
int                             535
spi                             155
spellpower                      1201
spell_crit                      24.57
spell_hit                       13.23
spell_haste                     11.16
max_mana                        12141
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        37390
trinket2                        40684

totem                           40322
set_bonus1                      worldbreaker_battlegear_4
set_bonus2                      -
set_bonus3                      -

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  -
cloak_enchant                   -
glyph_major1                    feral_spirit
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    windfury_weapon

glyph_minor1                    -
glyph_minor2                    -
glyph_minor3                    -


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/5
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

#########
# Buffs #
#########

armor_debuff_major              20.0/20.0
armor_debuff_minor              5.0/5.0
physical_vulnerability_debuff   4.0/4.0
melee_haste_buff                20.0/20.0
melee_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
attack_power_buff_flat          687/688
attack_power_buff_multiplier    99.7/99.7
spell_haste_buff                5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_buff          5.0/5.0
spell_crit_chance_debuff        5.0/5.0
spell_damage_debuff             13.0/13.0
spellpower_buff                 280/280
spell_hit_chance_debuff         3.0/3.0
haste_buff                      3.0/3.0
percentage_damage_increase      3.0/3.0
crit_chance_debuff              3.0/3.0
stat_multiplier                 10.0/10.0
stat_add_buff                   51/52
agi_and_strength_buff           178/178
intellect_buff                  60/60
bloodlust_casters               1
flask_elixir                    flask_of_endless_rage
guardian_elixir                 -
potion                          -
food                            fish_feast

combat_length                   6.00

Discrepancies:
Crit should be at 33.10% (.70% missing)
Spell Power should be 1200 (1 Spell Power over)
Spell Crit should be 25.27% (.70% missing)

ShockAndAwe (v4.36) export:

###############################
## ShockAndAwe EnhSim Export ##
###############################

config_source shockandawe

race                            draenei
mh_speed                        2.70
oh_speed                        2.70
mh_dps                          171.3
oh_dps                          178.8
mh_crit                         33.10
oh_crit                         33.10
mh_hit                          10.58
oh_hit                          10.58
mh_expertise_rating             147.00
oh_expertise_rating             147.00
ap                              4003
melee_haste                     14.51
armor_penetration               7.06
str                             131
agi                             860
int                             535
spi                             155
spellpower                      1200
spell_crit                      25.27
spell_hit                       13.23
spell_haste                     11.16
max_mana                        12141
mp5                             0

mh_imbue                        windfury
oh_imbue                        flametongue

mh_enchant                      3789
mh_weapon                       -
oh_enchant                      3789
oh_weapon                       -

trinket1                        37390
trinket2                        40684

totem                           40322
set_bonus1                      - ## not currently available in the addon export
set_bonus2                      - ## not currently available in the addon export
set_bonus3                      - ## not currently available in the addon export

metagem                         41285

gloves_enchant                  - ## not currently available in the addon export
cloak_enchant                   - ## not currently available in the addon export

glyph_major1                    windfury_weapon
glyph_major2                    stormstrike
glyph_major3                    - ## slot empty

glyph_minor1                    - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor2                    - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim
glyph_minor3                    - ## no useful glyphs current implemented in the sim


#############
## Talents ##
#############

ancestral_knowledge             2/5
improved_shields                3/3
mental_dexterity                3/3
shamanistic_focus               1/1
flurry                          5/5
elemental_weapons               3/3
unleashed_rage                  3/3
weapon_mastery                  3/3
dual_wield_specialization       3/3
mental_quickness                3/3
improved_stormstrike            2/2
static_shock                    3/3
maelstrom_weapon                5/5
convection                      0/5
concussion                      5/5
call_of_flame                   3/3
elemental_devastation           3/3
reverberation                   0/5
elemental_focus                 0/1
elemental_fury                  5/5
call_of_thunder                 0/1
unrelenting_storm               0/3
elemental_precision             0/3
lightning_mastery               0/5
elemental_oath                  0/2
lightning_overload              0/3
lava_flows                      0/3
storm_earth_and_fire            0/3
shamanism                       0/5

Discrepancies:
MH and OH Speeds should be 2.60 each (.1 too slow)
Set bonus missing
Glyph of Feral Spirit missing

I apologize if this is not the correct place to post the SAA results. I just figured I'd kill two birds with one stone since your sig says that you work on SAA as well. If you'd like to compare for yourself you can look at my character stats from my armory link (assuming I'm in my Enh gear). Let me know if you need any other information concerning my SAA/Rawr settings.

Levva · 06/10/09, 6:47 AM

Something seems to have changed in patch 3.1.3 that is making ShockAndAwe export round up to higher weapon speed as nothing in the code for export has changed for months. I'll investigate if I get some time.

The crit values are interesting and I'd not noticed that before. Can you post your XML file from RAWR so I can investigate further please. How do the discrepancies match up with what you see on your paper doll stats?

dregs · 06/10/09, 11:57 AM

It would appear Master of Anatomy is being excluded during exports. I removed all buffs aside from Heroic Presence and Mastery of Anatomy (since those are essentially "stuck" on my character) and my paper doll showed the correct value of 33.10%. However, when exporting it gave the incorrect value of 32.40%. Checking/unchecking Master of Anatomy switches the paper doll value between the two.

Stormhowl · 06/11/09, 6:39 PM

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but the elementium stone from auriya had no actual proc on it, when i added the proc, it skyrocketed to something like 302 dps for me.

Just thought id mention that as a bug

Levva · 06/14/09, 7:00 PM

Originally Posted by dregs

Discrepancies:
MH and OH Speeds should be 2.60 each (.1 too slow)
Set bonus missing
Glyph of Feral Spirit missing

I apologize if this is not the correct place to post the SAA results. I just figured I'd kill two birds with one stone since your sig says that you work on SAA as well. If you'd like to compare for yourself you can look at my character stats from my armory link (assuming I'm in my Enh gear). Let me know if you need any other information concerning my SAA/Rawr settings.

It would appear Master of Anatomy is being excluded during exports. I removed all buffs aside from Heroic Presence and Mastery of Anatomy (since those are essentially "stuck" on my character) and my paper doll showed the correct value of 33.10%. However, when exporting it gave the incorrect value of 32.40%. Checking/unchecking Master of Anatomy switches the paper doll value between the two.

Ah that will be it - many thanks. Master of Anatomy is treated as a buff in Rawr, but as basic in game.

For the ShockAndAwe discrepancy can you tell me what your weapon speed listed on your character sheet in game is please and what it says for haste when you mouse over. ShockAndAwe has to reverse the figures from the character sheet to get back to the weapon dps and I suspect a rounding error ie: your sheet / haste = 2.6999 or something.

Originally Posted by Stormhowl

I didn't see this mentioned anywhere, but the elementium stone from auriya had no actual proc on it, when i added the proc, it skyrocketed to something like 302 dps for me.

Just thought id mention that as a bug

Not a bug. Any proc effects on an item are due to what you have in your item cache. Too often the issue is people don't delete their old version when they upgrade and thus have the old item cache from previous version. To fix this use the Update Item Cache from Armory or Wowhead. If that fails to add the proc then yes there is a bug.

Levva · 06/15/09, 6:14 AM

Originally Posted by dregs

It would appear Master of Anatomy is being excluded during exports. I removed all buffs aside from Heroic Presence and Mastery of Anatomy (since those are essentially "stuck" on my character) and my paper doll showed the correct value of 33.10%. However, when exporting it gave the incorrect value of 32.40%. Checking/unchecking Master of Anatomy switches the paper doll value between the two.

Fixed for v2.2.7 or v3.0 which ever is released first. v3.0 being the Silverlight one that even runs on a Mac in native mode.

dregs · 06/16/09, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by Levva

For the ShockAndAwe discrepancy can you tell me what your weapon speed listed on your character sheet in game is please and what it says for haste when you mouse over. ShockAndAwe has to reverse the figures from the character sheet to get back to the weapon dps and I suspect a rounding error ie: your sheet / haste = 2.6999 or something.

Speed: 2.27 / 2.27
Haste Rating 366 (14.51% haste)

Ciege · 06/17/09, 4:26 AM

I was using Rawr to compile an up to date BiS list, mostly done btw, when i came to totem of dancing flame which in Rawr shows to be better than Hex, Dueling, and well honestly other totems outside of PvE. But when ran with enhsim, its lower DPS than Totem of Hex. When i started digging around in Enhsim, i couldnt find where it was calling or getting the modifications the totems do from the totems files.

So i moved back a step and decided to check Rawr for its modification from the totem. When i found it, i was kind of curious if the modifier was being applied right. In Rawr it is written out as:

TotemSSDamage | 155

Now im curious if its being applied correctly because of how its stated in Rawr, and if its done in Enhsim the same way. Is it taking the Stormstrike then adding 155 damage? Just adding 155 damage to the MH because the hit chance is based of your MH hit chance. Is it being applied before, or after 2 peice set bonus from tier 8? How is it applied in game (before 2 piece 20% bonus, or after)? All this for me comes from the exact text of the totem:

Equip: Increases weapon damage when you use Stormstrike by 155.

The wording here is key, "Increases WEAPON damage." By increasing weapon damage weapon damage, does it apply to the minimum and maximum, or one or the other? If it applies to both, its increasing minimum and maximum damage by 155.

Examples:
Golden Saronite Dragon
406 - 610 Damage ~> 561 - 765 Damage

Caress of Insanity
338 - 628 Damage ~> 493 - 783 Damage

This is all me just trying to figure out which totem i should be using prior to 4 peice (i have no doubt totem of hex is better with 4 peice).

Already posted this on the Enhsim thread.

~Ciege

Levva · 06/17/09, 4:33 AM

If you care to look back just 1 page in this thread to post 165, you will see that I fixed the Totem of Dancing Flame for the next release. It was working perfectly for Stormstrike, the problem was the additional damage was being applied to later abilities too eg: lava lash & windfury thus inflating the value of the dps.

umbraltwilight · 06/22/09, 11:18 AM

With 2.2.7 it seems like there is an extremely high emphasis on haste now compared to previous versions. I was just curious if this was intended or an error since I don't recall any changes to haste lately.