Aye, as is with Thunderfury and the special ability of Thoridal to not have to carry a quiver and ammo.

Just for the heck of it, I plugged in it's stats in the Enh Sim with the "optimal" shaman stats. Capped spell hit, capped expertise, 32% crit melee crit, and 3700 AP. I used my current spellpower of 1022 (with the gavel it went up to 1609) and ran a test using angry dread's stats for my OH against thegolden saronite dragon as MH.

FT/FT with the gavel produced 5222.25 dps

WF/FT with the gavel produced 5212.77 dps

WF/FT with the dragon produced 5339.07 dps

This was a 10k hr sim run with mana sim off using glyphs of SS, FS and WF

So, the dragon...a slower weapon with higher dps only yielded a -slightly- higher overall dps. ~117 more.

Just figured I'd toss some numbers out there. And I'm still trying to figure out how the sim shows I do more dps than I actually do in a raid with my current setup. o.O (this was just for show)

Don't think this has been posted yet, but I decided to search the armoury for slow 1H weapons after seeing the legendary mace linked from there on mmo champ's main page...and came up with this:

Caress of Insanity

I'm guessing a 10-man hard drop since it's ilvl 226, and while I was there I found yet another fast one off an unknown 25-man hard boss...

My guess would also be that it is a 10-man hard drop, possibly from Yogg-Saron.

Confirmed by mmo champ, Yogg it is.

With all the new hard mode items updated except Algalon, I'm under the assumption that our new best in slot offhand is now going to come from the 2200 rated PvP weapon?

Wouldn't surprise me, since the 1H/OH pvp weapon is often best in slot. (depends how the item budget resilience uses is like these days compared to tbc)

Even giving myself the Orc racial bonus for using axes, I'm showing [Vulmir, the Northern Tempest] and [Touch of Madness] as better then the [Furious Gladiator's Handaxe] for offhand. For mainhand, [Furious Gladiator's Handaxe] is beaten by [Golden Saronite Dragon], [The Masticator] and [Vulmir, the Northern Tempest]

Your friend is an idiot. Just tested. 1.6 speed weapon had a 6% spellpower coefficient while a 3.8 speed weapon had a 14.5% coefficient so yes, the change to Flametongue did indeed make it into the patch.

So does that mean fast off hands are bad? Ive been using sinisters revenge and done very well with that in my OH. Or, is using a slow OH way better? Please clarify

Slow OH is better. Not sure if way better (depends on what weapons you have available/RNG on loot drops/etc.), but slow OHs are better.

In the end, the answer to any question like that is: Sim it and see for yourself.

Hi,

Ive had a couple questions in regards to the Slow/slow vs. Slow/Fast.

My understanding is that Flame tongue weapon has been normalized in 3.1.

Pre-3.1, FT would have the same base damage, no matter the weapon speed, which proved the faster weapon was superior.

Ok, so lets fast forward to current times. 3.1 brought around the normalization of FT. I am under the impression that normalization allows for the same amount of damage to be done within a controlled amount of time, regardless of weapon speed. Hence all weapons are viable in terms of the damage produced by a fast OH vs a slow OH.

With this in mind, MSW charges procs from melee hits, which in turn provide for a larger dps gain overall.

My question to be answered is a. am i not understanding the normalization of FT correctly?; b. If i am, why a slow weapon over a fast.