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Old 04/17/09, 2:15 AM   #276
stassart
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Tauren Shaman
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by AlphaJew View Post
Mana Spring + LESSER Blessing of Wisdom = Do not stack
Mana Spring + GREATER Blessing of Wisdom = Do stack
Working as intended or a bug?
You are right, I just came to these forums after noticing in a group that greater BoW was stacking with my mana spring.

The pally if he casts lesser blessing of wisdom on himself and you drop mana spring it actually removes the lesser BoW buff from the pally.

Definitely seems like some bugs here. I really wouldn't mind if mana spring and greater BoW stack. Although the mana spring removing lesser BoW buff is bad.

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Old 04/17/09, 2:55 AM   #277
Abrojo
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I am feeling tempted to glyph healing stream totem. Checking my WWS on last night's ulduar25, it has accounted for 20%ish of my healing. Though number wise it's solid, it also does feel like a meter-epeen glyph instead of a pure gameplay one.

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Old 04/17/09, 3:21 AM   #278
KnThrak
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Originally Posted by AlphaJew View Post
It's that overwriting behavior that's making me wonder if they changed their mind on it.
Unless the Paladin twice swapped the Shammy-blessing that moment (didn't check, I admit), my talented Mana Spring totem removed (!) an untalented Greater Blessing of Wisdom yesterday.
EU Server, if that's any help. Maybe they applied some hotfix to those already. But I'll double check, fairly sure about it though.

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Old 04/17/09, 4:27 AM   #279
AlphaJew
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Originally Posted by KnThrak View Post
Unless the Paladin twice swapped the Shammy-blessing that moment (didn't check, I admit), my talented Mana Spring totem removed (!) an untalented Greater Blessing of Wisdom yesterday.
EU Server, if that's any help. Maybe they applied some hotfix to those already. But I'll double check, fairly sure about it though.
At least as of right now on US servers, it's still showing the behavior that I made in my above post. Just finished up our continuation of Uld 10, prot pally tried to give a hunter Lesser BoW but it kept getting removed by my mana spring. His Greater BoW on me stacked just fine with my totem though.

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Old 04/17/09, 6:11 AM   #280
Enilix
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Originally Posted by Skyhoof View Post
The Best in Slot list for resto shaman in the TTT is overdue for an update. I'm sure there are several omissions from the list below. Not every piece of gear in the mp5 category will have mp5. Sometimes the best item lacks mana regen. Once I get some feedback, I'll update the TTT. Thanks.
Thanks for the potential BiS update.

I'm not sure how highly I plan on valuing mp5 at the moment, but I decided to try out [Energy Siphon] in 10 man tonight, and found it to be quite useful on XT-002. I only picked it up because noone else in the group wanted it, so I figured I may as well give it a try. I managed to use its On Use ability 2, maybe even 3 times (Forget, and WWS hasn't been posted yet) during the Tantrum phase. We were running with just 2 healers (myself and a resto druid), and with adds and life bombs it got pretty hectic. The extra spellpower boost seemed pretty useful. Would it be called a best in slot piece? I really don't know, I haven't done enough encounters to judge how highly I'll value mp5 for my own playstyle.

Any thoughts on how long to hold onto t7 pieces? From what I can tell so far, it seems like keeping the 4pc t7 bonus is probably worthwhile until having 4pc t8. At least for my playstyle the reduced RT cooldown doesnt seem like losing 5%to CH and HW.

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Old 04/17/09, 11:48 AM   #281
Razzberry
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Regarding BiS, Chestguard of the Fallen God is probably the best choice for the non-tier piece in the Non-Mp5 set.

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Old 04/17/09, 3:05 PM   #282
Vuldunobetra
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Cenarius
For the Ring MP5, [Ring of the Faithful Servant] looks to be BIS.

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Old 04/18/09, 7:28 AM   #283
Abrojo
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for mp5 bis? [Steamworker's Goggles]

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Old 04/18/09, 10:37 AM   #284
Valéna
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Fire Orchid Signet (Freya 10/Hardmode) would be better than Radiant Seal for MP5 Gear

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Old 04/18/09, 12:12 PM   #285
Nagisamuro
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Given that the main hand best in slot is a legendary item, I think it warrants also listing a second best for that slot.
[Guiding Star] is a 30 SP upgrade from the KT mace.

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Old 04/18/09, 12:15 PM   #286
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Wisdom's Hold is also much better than [Voice of Reason]

Last edited by Vallkor : 04/18/09 at 12:37 PM.

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Old 04/18/09, 3:00 PM   #287
KraxisSingular
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Runetotem (EU)
Originally Posted by Abrojo View Post
I am feeling tempted to glyph healing stream totem. Checking my WWS on last night's ulduar25, it has accounted for 20%ish of my healing. Though number wise it's solid, it also does feel like a meter-epeen glyph instead of a pure gameplay one.
Highly dependant on the encounter of course. But the healing can actually help out a lot as I found healing in heroics with an Ele shaman (he covered the mana spring despite mine being better since I had the glyph). I basically did little other than the occational Riptide for an entire three runs. And we are talking a Shaman with 1450 healing... And it definately helped on the encounters where AoE damage was inevitable.
I can only imagine the power of it from a fully buffed well geared Shaman...

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Old 04/18/09, 3:19 PM   #288
healmuth
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Dentarg (EU)
The healing stream glyph is awesome for fights such as Kologarn or Auriaya where the raid takes regular a higher amount of damage. Nearly 9.5% healing on Kologarn and 7.5ish on Auriaya, here are some logs:

Kologarn Log
Auriaya Log

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Old 04/19/09, 3:12 AM   #289
Sixthy
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Haven't seen this posted yet - new bell:


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Old 04/19/09, 6:30 AM   #290
Khralokh
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Orc Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis (EU)
Sif's Remembrance (Trinket posted above) propably drops by Thorim because the Worm there is called Sif.

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Old 04/19/09, 6:41 AM   #291
Sixthy
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Originally Posted by Khralokh View Post
Sif's Remembrance (Trinket posted above) propably drops by Thorim because the Worm there is called Sif.
Thorim - Hard Mode - 10 man

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Old 04/19/09, 9:11 AM   #292
Tromper
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Ysondre
There is currently a bug on Ignis where the Tidal Waves 30% cast reduction buff is being applied to Chain Heal. I casted Riptide on myself during Slag Pot and as long the buff was active upon release, it applied to Chain Heal. This ended up with 1 second Chain Heal casts and would not wear off unless you stopped casting.

I reported the bug, so enjoy the fun while it lasts.

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Old 04/19/09, 1:01 PM   #293
Hi-ren
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Magtheridon
Sif is Thorim's wife.

The hard mode is to force Thorim to enter combat with your raid before Sif departs from the encounter, meaning you fight both at once, reminded me of Shade of Aran since she casts the same rotating blizzard and frostbolts.

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Old 04/19/09, 4:53 PM   #294
Krim
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Twisting Nether (EU)
Originally Posted by Tromper View Post
There is currently a bug on Ignis where the Tidal Waves 30% cast reduction buff is being applied to Chain Heal. I casted Riptide on myself during Slag Pot and as long the buff was active upon release, it applied to Chain Heal. This ended up with 1 second Chain Heal casts and would not wear off unless you stopped casting.

I reported the bug, so enjoy the fun while it lasts.
You get a buff from surviving the slag pot that increases haste to a point where CH has a 1 sec cast time and it generally lasts until the next Flame Jets ability.

How about the Pandora's Plea from 25 man Mimiron (normal mode)? This looks like a good trinket for fights such as Vezax where mp/5 is negligable, and you want the highest possible mana to survive casting longer. Especially for hard mode.

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Old 04/20/09, 7:23 AM   #295
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Originally Posted by Krim View Post
How about the Pandora's Plea from 25 man Mimiron (normal mode)? This looks like a good trinket for fights such as Vezax where mp/5 is negligable, and you want the highest possible mana to survive casting longer. Especially for hard mode.
You do realize, that 100 INT are also 60mp5, due to Replenishment, Manatide, Water Shield Procs and whatnot? Check the Think Tank Resto Thread.

That trinket could very well be best in slot for every situation, the only disadvantage would be the randomness (is that a word? sry, no native speaker) of the proc, but, you can't have everything. One should watch for the proc and renew Earth Shield during its duration - arkward, but certainly rewarding.

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Old 04/20/09, 8:59 AM   #296
Verloren
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So yea, not going to lie im a lil confused after reading this... Our class is mainly based around raid healing,(yes we can MT/OT heal) this is why they nerfed CoH and Wild Growth and gave it a CD. The real questions are about gemming in my opinion... do you wanna stack haste to decrease the time one CH? or go toward the SP/Int gems? and use LHW and CH evenly while using RT.

If you need anymore evidents that we are built for Raid healing look at T7 and T8 4piece!
T7 - Increase the amount healed by CH & HW by 5%
T8 - Reduce the cast time of CH by 0.2sec

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Old 04/20/09, 9:07 AM   #297
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Originally Posted by Verloren View Post
So yea, not going to lie im a lil confused after reading this... Our class is mainly based around raid healing,(yes we can MT/OT heal) this is why they nerfed CoH and Wild Growth and gave it a CD. The real questions are about gemming in my opinion... do you wanna stack haste to decrease the time one CH? or go toward the SP/Int gems? and use LHW and CH evenly while using RT.

If you need anymore evidents that we are built for Raid healing look at T7 and T8 4piece!
T7 - Increase the amount healed by CH & HW by 5%
T8 - Reduce the cast time of CH by 0.2sec
Clearly we are still primarily raid healers, however it's obvious blizzard want us to be able to spot heal and even main tank heal when necessary too. The fact that they have given us 30% faster cast speed with tidal waves on LHW and HW is proof of this.

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Old 04/20/09, 9:26 AM   #298
Verloren
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Originally Posted by Lumb View Post
Clearly we are still primarily raid healers, however it's obvious blizzard want us to be able to spot heal and even main tank heal when necessary too. The fact that they have given us 30% faster cast speed with tidal waves on LHW and HW is proof of this.
While this is true i think you are missing my point i think we need to talk about stats and what spells are usful in raids vs. the ones that are not more then what we are able to do. Personally i see a tank as part of the raid and im sure alot of you do aswell, so if he gets low i heal him.

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Old 04/20/09, 10:20 AM   #299
• Jessamy
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Originally Posted by Verloren View Post
So yea, not going to lie im a lil confused after reading this... Our class is mainly based around raid healing,(yes we can MT/OT heal) this is why they nerfed CoH and Wild Growth and gave it a CD. The real questions are about gemming in my opinion... do you wanna stack haste to decrease the time one CH? or go toward the SP/Int gems? and use LHW and CH evenly while using RT.
Use shaman_hep to find out what stats you should focus on increasing to improve the healing that you personally do. It analyzes a combatlog of the healing you do, and the spells you cast, to determine what stats would increase those heals. It even considers mp5, talents, and glyphs.

You say you plan to use LHW and CH primarily. When we killed Razorscale earlier this week I was assigned to heal an add tank. Most of my healing was HW, with CH, ES, RT, and AA making up the rest (in that order). This expansion has provided shaman healing with more versatility than we had in TBC content. When the raid is properly grouped for CH bounces, we are strong raid healers. Don't discount the power of our single target capabilities, though. Also bear in mind while there are some items that are going to be best for every shaman healers's role, we do end up filling different roles from each other (and we change on our own from one boss to the next).

One more thing: priest raid healing was slightly un-nerfed. They can now use PoH in more situations than before.

Last edited by Jessamy : 04/20/09 at 10:51 AM. Reason: correction after checking WWS

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Old 04/20/09, 11:01 AM   #300
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Originally Posted by Inanu View Post
That trinket could very well be best in slot for every situation, the only disadvantage would be the randomness (is that a word? sry, no native speaker) of the proc, but, you can't have everything. One should watch for the proc and renew Earth Shield during its duration - arkward, but certainly rewarding.
I completely agree. [Pandora's Plea] is on my wishlist. I'd venture to say I will always have it equiped, much like I do with [Illustration of the Dragon Soul].

Incidentally, How are you other resto shamans feeling about the tier 8 set bonuses? At first I was unsure, but after a bit of experience in ulduar, they look attractive now. .2 second off of CH could let me use more crit gear, and mobility is so important that i like rip tide more and more.

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