[Resto] Best Practices: PvE Healing Discussion - Page 84

Goregoz · 02/03/10, 1:27 AM

New poster here...just wanted to give my input on healing rotation for Valithria Dreamwalker.

Since mana is not an issue on this fight purely because I was one of the healers entering portals every time they were up...I used a healing rotation that involves healing wave. Basically riptide for the tidal waves proc...cast 2 healing waves...then lesser waves till riptide is up again.

This rotation was used with 2P T10 for the haste bonus. As well as specing into Healing Way.

Riptide.
1.0 sec Healing Wave
1.2 sec Healing Wave
1.0 sec Lesser cont.

Once riptide is up..repeat. Using tidal wave procs for reduce healing waves with lesser waves combined with the AA procs make this a great rotation.

Granted our holy pally is an alt and not as well geared as me. I was able to either match or exceed him. Only fights where I dropped below our holy pally was when my stack of Emerald Vigor dropped. I expect next week with the practice of this weeks Emerald Vigor stacking....my HPS will be much higher...probably above 20k.

World of Logs Link

Happy Healing

ethorian · 02/03/10, 5:35 AM

4pT10 set bonus looks kinda weird, there are many better aoe healers in raid than shamans and in some fight u cant effective heal with chain heal. 2pT10 is best set bonus i ever seen. For single target heal is OP (like tanks). Im not using chain heal in some fight (saurfang, deadwhisper, gunship, rotface, blood princes) so it's useless for me and i would like to wearing only 3pT10 (head, chest, shoulders) for good itemization. boots, legs crafted. hand (cloth one) and belt (mail one or cloth belt from marrowgar) for badges seems best for spell crit haste itemization. oh hey, i forgot trauma. So trauma proc is useless when u dont heal with 4pT10 set bonus because have 1% chance to proc (also from hots). Again, not using so much chain heals, trauma is useles. give it to better aoe healers than shamans and go for more stats.
ps: sorry for my bad english, im still learning only.

Bloch · 02/03/10, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by ethorian

4pT10 set bonus looks kinda weird, there are many better aoe healers in raid than shamans and in some fight u cant effective heal with chain heal. 2pT10 is best set bonus i ever seen. For single target heal is OP (like tanks). Im not using chain heal in some fight (saurfang, deadwhisper, gunship, rotface, blood princes) so it's useless for me and i would like to wearing only 3pT10 (head, chest, shoulders) for good itemization. boots, legs crafted. hand (cloth one) and belt (mail one or cloth belt from marrowgar) for badges seems best for spell crit haste itemization. oh hey, i forgot trauma. So trauma proc is useless when u dont heal with 4pT10 set bonus because have 1% chance to proc (also from hots). Again, not using so much chain heals, trauma is useles. give it to better aoe healers than shamans and go for more stats.
ps: sorry for my bad english, im still learning only.

The only AoE healers who have a stronger claim to Trauma are Resto Druids, who can (for all intents and purposes) have HoTs rolling on ~90% of the raid at a given time. With 4PT10, Resto Shamans are able to close the gap pretty significantly, so why you'd pass Trauma to anyone but a Resto Druid is beyond me, especially considering how poorly itemized the other MH options available to us in ICC are.

candi1017 · 02/04/10, 11:46 PM

So at the moment I'm running normal Solace and Abacus. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts as to the buff to the Purified Lunar Dust possibly making it a better choice then a normal solace. I was thinking about renting it for next week's raid and seeing how it pans out in comparison.

stassart · 02/05/10, 1:54 AM

Originally Posted by candi1017

So at the moment I'm running normal Solace and Abacus. I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts as to the buff to the Purified Lunar Dust possibly making it a better choice then a normal solace. I was thinking about renting it for next week's raid and seeing how it pans out in comparison.

This the spreadsheet I put together to compare trinkets.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...TRXBqaUE&hl=en

Trinkets in cyan are based on actual shaman_hep reports so how they actually perform in raids. The trinkets in yellow are based on theory crafting and I don't have shaman_hep reports for them. If you wish to contribute a shaman_hep report for one of the trinkets in yellow, please post to the shaman_hep reports thread.

Choh · 02/05/10, 7:38 AM

Just wondering,

I was looking at my WoL parse on Valithria Dreamwalker to check biggest heal done by my Shaman, and something seems strange. Not event interesting for normal mode (Ez mode), but, could be noticeable for HM:

Seems that Ancestral Awakening double dip from buff:

Seeing things like:

[23:31:35.547] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*71170*
[23:31:35.736] Nyubeth Earthliving Valithria Dreamwalker +3047
[23:31:36.627] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Nyubeth +11027 (O: 56190)

Or, some buffs later:

[23:33:06.279] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*110832*
[23:33:06.400] Nyubeth Riptide Kãm +0 (O: 4588)
[23:33:07.236] Nyubeth Earthliving Kãm +0 (O: 3617)
[23:33:07.779] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +175857
[23:33:07.871] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +76665
[23:33:08.307] Nyubeth Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +6189
[23:33:09.063] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +74190
[23:33:09.482] Nyubeth Riptide Kãm +0 (O: 4587)
[23:33:09.976] Nyubeth Earthliving Valithria Dreamwalker +4830
[23:33:10.304] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*111350*
[23:33:10.304] Nyubeth Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +*28607*
[23:33:10.304] Nyubeth Earthliving Kãm +0 (O: 3834)
[23:33:11.796] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Mãsk +6113 (O: 29911)
[23:33:12.241] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*78914*
[23:33:12.241] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*78914*
[23:33:12.458] Nyubeth Riptide Kãm +0 (O: 4862)
[23:33:13.190] Nyubeth Earthliving Kãm +0 (O: 3834)
[23:33:13.233] Nyubeth Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +4444
[23:33:13.408] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +51446
[23:33:13.817] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +89437

Etc...

Log availlable here:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Something already known about this bug? WaI?

kaellia · 02/05/10, 10:00 AM

Nyubeth,

I was trying to look over your WoL parse, and I couldn't find the exact lines of combat text that you linked here, but judging from the length of time of the log that you quoted, it's likely that the size of your heals was caused by two things:

1. More than 20 stacks of the buff from in the dream.
2. Your priest casting Guardian Spirit on Valitiria.

Those two buffs together could easily bring your HWs up to over 100k.

Choh · 02/05/10, 10:18 AM

First, sorry for english mistakes, frenchy here.

To find this parts in log :
- Select, add request, only healing done by nyubeth for Dreamwalker try 3 (for my example, there is certainly other examples in others trys).

Then, the interesting part is not the big HW (i've had more than 33 buffs on one fight, and yes, a priest buff the boss :P), the interesting part is the relationship and figures about ancestral awakening (that goes mainly on the dragon is the raid is kept full life)

Look at:

[23:33:06.279] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*110832*
[23:33:06.400] Nyubeth Riptide Kãm +0 (O: 4588)
[23:33:07.236] Nyubeth Earthliving Kãm +0 (O: 3617)
[23:33:07.779] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +175857

Remember, usually, Ancestral Awakening is 30% of your crit value, not 160% (or something like

)
That's why i'm saying that there is a bug (double dip of event buff)

But i love these big numbers

kaellia · 02/05/10, 10:35 AM

I entirely overlooked your massive AA numbers. My apologies.

I was going over my guild's WoL parse for that fight, and although it looks like my AA was functioning normally.

I had an average HW crit of 37155 and an average AA proc of 12281.

37115 * 0.3 = 11146. 12281 is close enough to 11146 that it seems like my AA wasn't double dipping from her buff.

Here's my guild's WoL link: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

As a note, I ran your query (Try 3, Healing done by Nyubeth) and only came up with these results:

[23:27:29.443] Nyubeth Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +*5190*
[23:27:30.989] Nyubeth Ancestral Awakening Orré +1634
[23:27:31.421] Nyubeth Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +13729
[23:27:32.215] Nyubeth Echoes of Light Valithria Dreamwalker +6232
[23:27:32.387] Nyubeth Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +1112

Here's the link: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Choh · 02/05/10, 10:40 AM

Don't forget
Select Dreamwalker try 3
Remove the Query "Show all events" (maybe a bug due to limited result number on the first query?)
Then add "Show events where event type is Heal and source is Nyubeth" (Add Query; Check "heal" checkbox;Type Nyubeth as Source; Save)
Then click, "run".

I've all the results i've copied here in the middle-end of the list (find them with timestamp)

Edit:

About your log:

[21:07:05.093] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*60093*
[21:07:05.468] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +2400 (O: 9619)
[21:07:05.625] Kaitri Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +4110
[21:07:06.265] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*55955*
[21:07:06.406] Kaitri Earthliving Valithria Dreamwalker +2705
[21:07:06.625] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +47296
[21:07:06.640] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +*0* (O: 16786)
[21:07:07.828] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Scolios +12088 (O: 31952)

As you can see, the numbers are differents from 30% of the HW crit.
Differences are not as impressive as in mine because you certainly had less buff, but numbers proves the bug.

kaellia · 02/05/10, 11:00 AM

Ah ha, that was the issue. Thanks

The weird thing is that from the looks of your log, that wild number for AA didn't happen with every HW/RT crit.

Here's a portion of my log:

[21:05:33.609] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*24843*
[21:05:33.906] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +*0* (O: 7453)
[21:05:34.546] Kaitri Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +1879
[21:05:34.781] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*27561*
[21:05:35.093] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Marvel +10950
[21:05:35.140] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +*0* (O: 8268)
[21:05:36.265] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +10933
[21:05:36.343] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*28687*
[21:05:36.796] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +0 (O: 5738)
[21:05:37.640] Kaitri Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +2320
[21:05:37.921] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +11379
[21:05:38.781] Kaitri Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +*9023*
[21:05:40.140] Kaitri Earthliving Valithria Dreamwalker +1449
[21:05:40.312] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +3977

~

[21:06:11.296] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*42725*
[21:06:11.703] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +*0* (O: 12818)
[21:06:12.859] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Scolios +15382 (O: 11520)
[21:06:13.390] Healing Stream Totem IX Healing Stream Totem Kaitri +0 (O: 1070)
[21:06:14.093] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*43429*
[21:06:14.484] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +*0* (O: 13029)
[21:06:15.062] Kaitri Earthliving Valithria Dreamwalker +1938
[21:06:15.250] Healing Stream Totem IX Healing Stream Totem Kaitri +0 (O: 1070)
[21:06:15.296] Kaitri Healing Wave Valithria Dreamwalker +*42681*
[21:06:15.640] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +27344
[21:06:15.640] Kaitri Glyph of Healing Wave Kaitri +0 (O: 8536)
[21:06:15.640] Kaitri Riptide Valithria Dreamwalker +*13014*
[21:06:16.859] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +26874
[21:06:17.250] Kaitri Ancestral Awakening Valithria Dreamwalker +8194

It seems like AA starts to function weirdly as the power of our heals increase.

EDIT: I tried the glyph of HW for the first time on this fight (since I wasn't using LHW much, nor was I casting Riptide on multiple targets). It turned out to be an awful decision; I was hoping that it would help keep me alive if I took too much damage (and lessen the strain on the two priests on raid heals), but its performance was pretty poor. I definitely won't switch it in again unless I find that it is necessary for the hard mode version of this fight.

Hrath · 02/05/10, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by kaellia

EDIT: I tried the glyph of HW for the first time on this fight (since I wasn't using LHW much, nor was I casting Riptide on multiple targets). It turned out to be an awful decision; I was hoping that it would help keep me alive if I took too much damage (and lessen the strain on the two priests on raid heals), but its performance was pretty poor. I definitely won't switch it in again unless I find that it is necessary for the hard mode version of this fight.

I used glyph of HW as well and was happy with it. It was by no means amazing but I found it to be more useful than a LHW/Riptide glyph since I'm a non-stop portal taker and spam Healing Wave on Dreamwalker. It's nice to not have to ever worry about your own hp.

On another note, I was also thinking about just using my old helm on this with a RSD meta. It's not really needed now, but I can imagine it will help a lot on hard mode.

keroberos · 02/05/10, 7:49 PM

Dont know if this has been discussed yet but they fixed trauma where the buff isnt group only anymore.

realillusion · 02/06/10, 12:47 AM

It seems like AA starts to function weirdly as the power of our heals increase.

That's expected if AA is double dipping. If your healing is increased by, say, 20%, then AA will heal for 36% of your crit instead of 30%. In combat you probably wouldn't even notice the difference since you're not calculating 30% of a HW crit and 36% of a HW crit doesn't seem that off.

In one of the examples above, healing was increased more than 5-fold (110k healing wave crit instead of ~20k you might get without any buffs). Then AA is going to heal for (~)5*30%=150% of your crit as well. That explains why the AA proc reached up to 180k, more than the actual HW crit.

Safe to expect a fix for this double dipping. Since there is no way to heal the fight while avoiding this bug, I don't think I'd worry about being temp-banned either, though I'd avoid having my guild stack shamans intentionally.

Zogar · 02/07/10, 4:00 PM

Now that trauma is fixed, on the Valkyrs at togc 25, the proc made 11.4% of my healing. I guess it's now a bit overpowered for fights like valkyrs and blood queen.